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  • #150037
    Anonymous
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    Dear laelithia:

    You want so much to be with him, I wish I could magically make it happen and that the two of you will walk toward the sunset hand in hand and live happily ever after.

    Since you communicate with him currently, why not ask him to meet you for a conversation in a coffee shop or the like, a post-relationship conversation, an interview of sorts. Prepare your questions and ask him those questions, get to know him in a post relationship, quiet coffee shop (or the like) context.

    A different context may take away from how surreal it feels now, and give you the “whole picture” understanding/ feel to him, to what was and what can-or-not possibly be.

    anita

    #150057
    laelithia
    Participant

    Hi Anita,

    I think actually this is a good idea. I feel like as soon as I see him (it’s been a month now) I will know 1) how I truly feel about him, and 2) I will be able to see how he feels about me.

    He said he’s going to message me when this girl that is staying with him leaves on Monday. I’m wary of even entertaining getting back together with him, as he seems so fickle right now. I think really what keeps me thinking about the whole thing is I can’t help but wonder what would have happened if I took things slower with him. If I had not got infatuated with this fantasy future, too. Part of me feels like we would still be dating, but at a regular, healthy pace.

    On the other hand, he said something on the phone call Thursday that sort of confused me. At first he said he didn’t know why his feelings for me changed the last weekend we spent together, but that he just didn’t think I was “the one”. Then, later in the phone call, he said he realized “I like my type for a reason”, implying I wasn’t his type. When I asked what his type was, he said “I don’t know, blue eyes, Caucasian”. I’m mixed trace (Asian and European) and definitely don’t have blue eyes. He said there was that initial infatuation because he’s never dating someone like me before.

    I don’t know if this is something I should just accept, or if he’s simply looking for something to say to get me to stop asking, or what that’s about. I don’t get how that somehow was an issue the last time we saw each other, when before that, he told me constantly how “gorgeous” and “beautiful” I was, and how adorable our future children would be.

    I suppose I’ll wait to see if I do hear from him after that girl leaves. Perhaps all of this is irrelevant, perhaps she is “the one” for him. However, given his track record, I would be surprised that after staying with him for a week straight that he didn’t change his mind about her, too. Or maybe he will romance her for a little longer, like he did with me, who knows.

    Either way, my gut instinct is telling me that seeing him in some sort of capacity, like for coffee, would provide me with these answers I’m looking for. The difficult part is that he lives 3 hours away, and I’m not sure if he would agree to meeting.

     

    #150061
    Anonymous
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    Dear laelithia:

    I think that it is a good idea to meet him over for coffee IF you are able to adhere to the coffee-only context, that is if you will be able, during that one meeting, to not re-start any physically intimate relationship with him again. (One meeting may lead to more, but one at a time, at this point).

    To be very clear: I believe he is not a good relationship material for any woman, at this point. And so, I do not recommend that you place yourself in danger, the danger of being hurt more than you already are by re-starting a romantic relationship and being rejected and replaced yet again.

    In the CONTEXT of those 13 days/ one month relationship with you he was loving to you, you perceived that correctly, I believe. That context is now gone and I don’t think the experience you had with him could be duplicated because you know a whole lot more now than you knew then.

    A different context is what I suggested. Regarding the three hour distance- I was aware of it. If meeting him is very important to you (in the different context, which I cannot stress enough), then you can invest in the travel. Hopefully he will give you a few hours of conversation/ interview.

    If he doesn’t agree to meet you a short distance from where he lives, well, there is nothing you can do about that.

    anita

    #150161
    laelithia
    Participant

    Hi Anita,

    I think this makes a lot of sense. I am going to wait to see if I hear from him on Monday, and go from there.

    You mentioned that in the context of our short relationship, you believed he was sincere in his feelings. In my heart of hearts, I believe that too. You also wrote that I didn’t know all that I knew then as I do now. This is also true. Of everything that I have told you about this situation, do you think there is any way that the outcome could have been different than what it is now?

    Like I’ve said before, with everything I know, I’m not sure things could ever work between him and I. I’m not sure I could ever trust him. However, when we were together, I would have trusted him with my life. He didn’t even look at other women, let alone speak/flirt with them. I keep asking myself now, was there anything I could have done to keep him in that mindset? Did my behaviour last time I saw him impact his decision? It just still feels so painful how he went from being so loving, to seemingly indifferent to me. That he began dating/replacing me the day after I left.

    I know he was fresh out of a relationship (although he initiated the break up), I wonder if he was “rebounding” with me and that I shouldn’t have gotten caught up in the fast forwarding. I don’t know really, but every morning I wake up, wondering how this all happened, and truly missing the man of my dreams, even if it was only for such a short time. I would have done anything for him, that past version of him, and I believe he would have done anything for me. I don’t understand where he went..

    #150173
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear laelithia:

    When a child is rejected by a parent, losing their approval and acceptance, a child always believes she/he did something wrong, that it is her fault. And so, I am not surprised you too are taking responsibility for the loss of his love.

    I don’t believe it is your fault any more than it was the fault of the women that preceded you in his life and the women that followed you that they lost his love as well.

    Think of it this way: he likes cars (I am comparing women to cars, for a purpose). He sees a car, gets very excited, buys it, drives it fast and furious until he crashes it, then leaves it be and goes shopping for a new car, gets all excited about the next car, drives it fast and furious until he crashes it (“played out” was his term?) and so on.

    Another man may see a car, get excited, then figures: I want to have this car for a long time. I am going to treat it well, drive it safely, so it will last and so, I will enjoy it for a long time.

    He is the first driver.

    Is it the fault of the cars, being driven fast and furious? I don’t think so. If any of the car, after being crashed, volunteer to be driven by him again, well, that is a different story.

    You wrote that recently, when you “asked what his type was, he said ‘I don’t know, blue eyes, Caucasian’. I’m mixed trace (Asian and European) and definitely don’t have blue eyes. He said there was that initial infatuation because he’s never dating someone like me before”- what he told you is not loving. He told you that you are not his type, basically, that he was excited about you because he never dated your type before (in the driver analogy, it would be getting excited about driving a Honda because he never drove a Honda before).

    The loving context that you are missing is in the past. I don’t believe it can be resurrected. Not only is it in the past, but it was time-sensitive, or time-limited from the very beginning.

    anita

    #150235
    laelithia
    Participant

    Hi Anita,

    I’ve reread what you’ve written a few times today, I think it’s helped in me realizing the reality of the situation. I wanted so desperately for what he said and promised me to be true, that even now when confronted with evidence that he was never going to stay forever, it’s difficult to let go of that dream.

    He told me was going to treat me better than any other man, so that we would always be together. But I can see now, with your analogy, he didn’t have the ability to care and nurture over time, just burn out and fade away.

    I’m trying to remind myself that even if he had stayed a while longer, he doesn’t have the skills to be a good long term partner. I’m so envious whoever the current woman in his life is now, but as you say, it’s likely she won’t last, either.

    Since this all has happened, I’ve been on dates with two other men. They both seem far more committed to being in a relationship, but I still find myself (as much as I wish I wouldn’t!) wishing it was him that I was sitting across, that none of this ever happened, that he had followed through with his promises. I see a picture of his face, and I’m transported back to all wonderful emotions I felt with him, then horribly sadness and pain that it is no longer. He was my ideal “type” and although he said last time I wasn’t his, unfortunately it didn’t change my preference for someone like him to be with me.

    Do you think this will change within time? I’m worried that I will always feel the pain of him betraying, replacing, and rejecting me. And that I will always compare men to him, and they will never feel right. He was so beautiful, this perfect man of mine, I feel inconsolable that he’s now gone.

    #150241
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear laelithia:

    I guess no man can compete with “this perfect man” “who wasn’t real” (outside the  expired time-limited context). No other man can compete with Fantasy. You are prolonging the relationship with this perfect man of yours in your own way.

    Reads to me, at this point, that you prefer this Fantasy, this unreal man of yours, over reality of a real man.

    You wrote in an earlier post about him: “I can’t seem to feel like the connection I felt with him is possible with anyone else. It’s like he holds the key to that part of me”- he holds the key for you being loved, correct?

    And it is safer to hold on to Fantasy because you don’t believe that in reality you can be loved, am I correct?

    anita

     

    #150298
    laelithia
    Participant

    Hi Anita,

    I’ve been giving it some thought, and it does seem somehow that I’ve told myself that I can’t be loved. I don’t know why or when this happened, but it’s felt true for a while. I think how I’m feeling now is the result of finally believing that it was possible for me to be loved, that someone I really wanted also wanted me too, and then just as quickly it was all gone.

    I truly do want to move past this, to focus on reality rather than a fantasy. Is that why you suggested I meet with him in a different context, to see it things clearly as they are now?

    #150304
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear laelithia:

    If you do meet him in the current post-relationship context, you may see him as the real him, that is the one he is outside the one month relationship, or car ride.. or adventure part ride (what I compared this short relationship to, on this thread). You came up with the title “getting over infatuation with someone who wasn’t real”-your perception of him  isn’t real, outside that now-expired context, that is.

    Since that month was over he wasn’t loving to you: he broke up with you, he had other relationship and he suggested to you, clearly, that you are not his type. I want your heart (emotional mind) and mind (rational mind) to come to a meeting place in Reality.

    Mental health is about just that.

    The attention he paid you, the words he used, the emotions, were all perfect to awaken in you the desire to be truly loved, and this awakening is what keeps you in fantasy regarding where you can get the love you crave.

    The lesson, I believe, is what it is that you crave.

    Take care.

    *Will be back in about 7 hours.

    anita

    #150352
    laelithia
    Participant

    Hi Anita,

    Thank you again for your continued support and advice on this. As I’ve reflected today, I still don’t feel like everything is adding up. I know the last time we spoke he said I wasn’t his “type”, but he had never brought this up before, and in fact, had always told me the exact opposite. He would compliment specific parts of me, and comment on how lucky he was to be with me. I understand that could have been during his infatuation stage, but does that really change so quickly?

    I’m also confused by the ending of our relationship. I left his home on Tuesday morning, and by that evening, I had asked if everything was okay. He texted that it was but that he was concerned about making it to my city that weekend so soon, but I wasn’t satisfied and panicked and called him. He was aloof in that conversation, but I’m realizing now he would have felt bombarded (whether that’s appropriate or not). The next day he was quiet again, and this was the exchange we had:

    Me: Were you trying to hint to me that you want to be single and I just missed it?

    Him: I think so L. I’m just not sure I’m ready for this right now

    Me: What happened or changed? I’m not upset with you, I’m just trying to understand.

    Him: I think I just feel things moved too quickly… like I said last night. I need to put the brakes on, for the both of us. We’re alike in so many ways. We’re both rushing in.

    Me: I get that for sure. I was hoping we could do that and take things slowly, I think what we have is special. But are you thinking you would rather end things altogether?

    Him: Yeah… we do. I don’t know. Give me some time this morning please. I have a lot to do and to think about

    Me: Of course. Hope you have a good morning.

    We talked later that night, he still seemed distant, but he said he wanted to continue seeing me. When I asked if he wanted to date anyone else too, he said no. However, the next day is when I began to notice his snapchat score increasing quickly, which meant he was talking to someone other than me. On Thursday, after 2 days now of him being aloof but still warm (ex. Would still call me “baby”, ask how my day was, etc.) I couldn’t handle the suspicion anymore. I asked him if he could be honest with me, if was interested in someone else. He didn’t answer, and I panicked again and called him. He didn’t answer my call, but later when I said “please tell me the truth so I can move on” (hoping he would ask me not to) he said “I’m sorry L. I think that would be best”.

    I’ve read a lot of literature on the initial stages of dating and how men tend to pull away, and how it’s beneficial if you give them space rather than panicky and try to “fix” it or chase them. I’m debating with myself if that happened here, or if my gut instinct led me to confront him on the issue that would have happened eventually or not.

    I know a month isn’t very long, but I can’t help feeling like given his current pattern, it seems to be much longer than usual. To me, it feels like (at least at one point), I was his type, his “dream woman” as he put it, and wanted to be with me long term (with all the promises he was making me, such as saying our “monthiversary” was going to be one of many. This was just 4 days before we broke up). I wonder now, did I have a role in things ending this way, and could things have been different if I had been more calm and aloof myself? I worry that I presented myself as needy and desperate at the end, when throughout the relationship, I had not.

    More almost as though he completely lost value in me overnight, and I have never experienced that drastic of a change before. I feel very stuck to understanding that part of things. I think that you are right that I miss the love, care, and attention he provided for me. I’m worried now, more than ever and with my relationship experience, if I sustain any relationship with a man to do that and not abandon me.

    #150360
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear laelithia:

    You are welcome.

    The key sentence in what he told you was “We’re alike in so many ways. We’re both rushing in.”-

    He acknowledged right there that he was rushing (as in driving the car fast-and-furious).

    I understood already that your time with him during that month was not all euphoria and ecstasy. You shared that there were arguments, when drinking too much.

    Back to the RUSHING- he said right there that he was rushing. Looking at his pattern, woman after woman, he is indeed rushing. Maybe he likes to be the only one pressing against that gas pedal in the car, doesn’t want the woman’s foot on it.

    You wrote: “I’m worried now, more than ever and with my relationship experience, if I sustain any relationship with a man to do that and not abandon me.”-

    You are afraid that this month long relationship with a man with a pattern of even shorter relationships determines that you are unable to sustain any relationship with a man. But you had a long term relationship (do I remember correctly, from age 18-25?). What was that relationship like?

    anita

     

    #150380
    laelithia
    Participant

    Hi Anita,

    I understand your car analogy, and how he said himself he needed to “put the brakes on”, but what I don’t understand is why the relationship when from 0 to 10 (him racing through) and then back to 0 just as fast, when we had agreed to take things slower. A few days afterwards, I was still hurt and confused by what had happened so I asked him again, and if he missed my company at all after over a month of being in constant contact with me, and he said “I don’t think I miss it. I liked it while we were together. But I think I was infatuated w your looks. That seems to have disappeared for me now

    #150390
    laelithia
    Participant

    Sorry Anita, I seem to have submitted that last response too early.

    Anyway, that is what he had sent to me days later. I could not then (and still cannot) understand the sudden change in his feelings for me. I recognize his pattern now with women, but what I don’t understand is why he reassured me so many times that this wouldn’t happen with us, that he truly saw a future, and that he was going to work hard to make it happen.

    I then start to ruminate about our last visit, and how I didn’t behave myself (ex. Having a meltdown/blow up while intoxicated) maintain boundaries (ex. Refuse to drink too much) and slowed the pace of the relationship rather than pressuring him to think about moving in with me/my city (essentially me putting my foot on the gas pedal). Do you still think after everything that this would have eventually been the outcome of our relationship no matter what I did or didn’t do?

    You asked about my precious long term relationship. It was “nice” for the most part, but it was lacking passion (at least on my end) from the very beginning. Near the end of the relationship, we were mostly friends/roommates. Since then, it seems any relationship I have had that is passionate and that I’m excited about seems to be short (1-4 months) and painful when it ends.

    I think this last breakup is particularly painful because with all the reassuring from him that we would be together long term, that he would work hard to make sure that happened, I was starting to believe I had finally broken this cycle, and that for the first time, someone I was so passionate about and wanted a future with finally felt the same way about me. Now I’m stuck with thinking what could have been, if I had been truer to myself in this last relationship?

    #150408
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear laelithia:

    You started to BELIEVE that something wonderful was going to happen. Belief, or faith, are very powerful.

    You are torturing yourself with thinking: if only you behaved differently, said or did something differently…

    Most relationships don’t last a lifetime and many of those that do are no happy relationships at all. Add to these unfavorable statistics the short duration of this relationship and his pattern of relationships before and after you, as well as his statements, and the chance that this past relationship would have been loving, happy and lifetime is miniscule.

    It was your willingness to travel and meet him at his place, hours away, made it possible for the relationship to last as long as it did.

    You wrote: “Now I’m stuck with thinking what could have been, if I had been truer to myself in this last relationship?” – if you were truer to yourself, he would still be true to himself and he would have crashed the car, he would still be true to his pattern of experiencing intensity in a relationship, followed by nothing (“I don’t think I miss it. I liked it while we were together. But I think I was infatuated w your looks. That seems to have disappeared for me now”).

    anita

     

    #150548
    laelithia
    Participant

    Hi Anita,

    You are definitely right. I seem to still want to hold on to what could have been, when reality is not that way at all. I went to visit him because he came to visit me twice, I assumed it was a good sign, but looking back, he was simply in that “infatuation” stage.

    I know it is his pattern, but I really can’t believe how someone can be so intensely interested in someone, and the next day it all “disappears”.

    I’ve asked if he would meet me for coffee this weekend, and all he mustered was “I might be able to do coffee..”. When I asked when would work best for him since I would have to plan around it, he hasn’t replied. I’m not sure if I should even bother asking again or not. I simply cannot believe this is the same person I was so infatuated myself. He seems like a totally different person to me now, and that what happened with us was all a dream. It doesn’t even feel real anymore.

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