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DCParticipant
Dear Anita
Thank you for your message again. We will just communicate on this forum going forward as it does a great job and allows others to learn from your wisdom.
In my first post, I shared about being a voluntary, unpaid member of the Strata Committe (“SC”) where I live. Just last night, in the midst of some personal crisis, I had a knock on the door and had a neighbour asking me to help her with the security gate to the garage. It was urgent as she could not move her car out. This happens too frequently – and in the past, I would do everything to help – sacrificing my own time, sleep and commitments. And then work past midnight to finish my own things.
Their expectation is that because I have helped in the past and am a member of the SC, it is my duty to help everyone – regardless. The rest of the SC dont’ help or don’t do much (I think quite wisely!) – therefore no one ever asks them. Instead, the neighbours come to me because they know that I will help them. Many of these people, I feel, are users. When I do need their help – usually to help someone else within the community – they are nowhere around or just refuse to assist.
I feel that their sense of entitlement – that I, DC, have to drop everything to help them whenever – has started to irritate me, exacerbated by the inappropriate conduct of other SC members and also owners.
The sense I get from them is that it is all about them, and they don’t really care about the effects on me or the community.
I tend to continue helping because if I don’t, then they would be inconvenienced and also perhaps they will incurr huge costs for the SC by engaging inappropriate tradespeople to do it for them. So, I continue to help.
I have started to wonder if my motivation (attachment?) to help them is also largely driven by this wanton waste of money and resources – they will call random tradespeople to get things sorted out – and then pass the huge, ridiculous bill to the SC to pay (out of the community funds which every resident contributes to). This happens frequently and after-hours call outs are very expensive in my country.
I wonder – should I just refuse to help in future and point them to other SC members – whom I know, would not want to help them? Should I just de-tach from this wanton use of community funds – and perhaps realise that my time is more valuable than the money I try to save for the community? And if yes to these questions, why am I so attached to all of that?
Thanks again.
rgds
DC
DCParticipantDear Anita – sorry about causing you hurt. It is the last thing I want to do. You are so undeserving of that! I had a setback today in life. I cannot write now but will perhaps tomorrow or the day after when I get the chance after settling a few personal issues. Again, apologies for the distress and hurt caused Anita. I was always going to write later today before I went to bed.
Warmest rgds
DC
DCParticipantDear Anita
Just did it. Thanks. You will get a message from me. Thank you again.
Cheers
DC
DCParticipantHi Anita – Thank you again for our grace! Wonder, if there a way for us to exchange email addresses privately? I would like to keep in touch but unsure how to do it on this site.
Cheers
DC
DCParticipantDear Anita – Thank you again for your beautiful response! You are indeed a gem!
I have learnt so much so THANK YOU. You have made such a positive difference.
I hope to meet you some day Anita. Such kindness!
Warmest rgds
DC
DCParticipantDear Anita
Once again, thank you for your kindness and generosity with your time! No worries about my gender – I did not make it clear so you are right to assume that I am a man! 🙂 I would too, if I were you!
Hearing from you – those thoughtful and comprehensive advice – has given me an independent, realistic and clear perspective on my mother. And it has been tremendously helpful to have you validate my views.
It has been difficult for me – and yes, I do find myself making excuses for her inappropriate behaviour – just because… she is my mother. If she were someone’s mother, it would be so much easier to cut through the noise.
No one wants to think ill of their mother, however one needs to confront reality or, in this case, have reality presented to them. This is after decades! So, thank you so much Anita.
You have left me so much to ponder and work on. And I am very grateful – for your care, concern and help.
Why do you do this Anita? Why do you go into these forums and put in so much effort, time to help people like me? You are also unrelenting and unwavering in your support. Most people would give up. I am curious as there are very few gracious people like you on this planet.
I am so touched by your kindness Anita!
Warmest rgds
DC
DCParticipantDear Anita – please don’t feel any pressure to respond. Only respond when you feel you are able to or would like to. Please. You have already helped me out so much. Have a great evening!
Cheers
DC
DCParticipantDear Anita
Thank you for your meaningfully truthful message to me. You have this gift of clarity and getting to the guts of things. I really like that!
It is true that she could abuse us when we were kids as no one held her accountable. We were little and utterly vulnerable. No way to defend ourselves. Therefore easy for her to exploit within the walls of our house. Cane marks were hidden and I used to go to school with elastoplast in several parts of my arms to hide those bruises. She hit us to vent her anger – not to help us be better humans. Perhaps she did not understand how else to release her own frustration.
Yes, what love is – in the bible – was not what we received then, and neither is that what we receive now.
I think we continue to care for her – because of a sense of obligation and guilt. And also, forgiveness? Aren’t we meant to forgive someone?
My 2 siblings (brothers) are looking after my mother now. They are in the same country. My twin brother lives with her and deals with her everyday. I am the ony girl. And the youngest. Hence, hugely disappointing for my mum that I now live a life independent of her. And I have, in the past, told her what I thought about her abuse and affair with the married man. I could do this as leaving her – to study and work in another country – has enabled me to look more objectively at our childhood. It is hard to comprehend how selfish she was as a mother – to abuse her children the way she did, and then to allow a man to further abuse her children.
I have withdrawn “somewhat” emotionally from her since a few years ago after she did some unkind or cruel things to deliberately hurt me.
It was then that I delved deeper into this abusive narc thing. So, I am fortunate that I did that – and at least, called a moderate halt to her abuse, albeit temporarily. I grew!
The last time I visited her (about 2 years ago), she cooked me a fish knowing that I was allergic to it. She could have killed me. I was sick for a few days. I confronted her on that and she said that she “forgot” although a few days before that, she reminded me of my allergy to that very fish. I never know if she did that accidentally or deliberately. I am not in her head. My twin brother said that she never fed them that fish for years and it was only when I was back that she cooked that particular fish. The evidence points to her deliberately doing that – but maybe it was pure accident. It is utterly confusing Anita. I wonder if you have any thoughts on that?
It is hard to see my mother objectively – so many mixed emotions, early conditioning, and the tether to my other family members that I love.
With gratitude
DC
DCParticipantDear Anita
Thank you again – v v much – for your care and kind advice! You are a saint!
Yes, you are right about what you said about injustice – thank you for correcting me!
Also, thank you for sharing with me your own experience with your abusive mother. I appreciate that v much!
I look forward to reading your thoughtful messages Anita despite how tough they are. They force me to reflect deeply while reliving my rocky experiences with my mother. You have really helped me probe into my childhood and its effects on the adult me. No one has ever cared so much! You are a truly kind and generous person!
Anita, what you have said is all so true. However I find it next to impossible to go no-contact with my mum. Sorry to disappoint. Instead, I think that I will write her messages to show that I still love her. She needs the assurances as she is now frail and elderly – and has health issues. She keeps wanting assurance from me that I still love her. She says that she prays for me every night and hopes that I return to being a Catholic – I was brought up as one but no longer believe.
Perhaps she does love me in her own selfish way. Or perhaps I really want to believe that. While there are tiny moments of love or kindness towards me, they are largely swamped by her abuse.
Each time she does the nasty on me, I would go no-contact and she would apologise. Although I realise that her apologies are her way of getting me back into her realm. And when I do, she starts being abusive again.
She is like that, perhaps because of her own childhood and biology. I don’t know that it is her fault. She is unaware and has this inflated and false sense of herself. Hence I want to be a little compassionate – while protecting myself from her abuse.
Given my now heightened sense of awareness (because of you!), I have my guard up and will be very calm and unemotional when I speak to her. Following on from what you wrote to me, I have been listening to a few videos/podcasts on narcs. They cannot change. They may not be bad people. They just can’t help being the way they are.
With gratitude,
DC
DCParticipantDear Peter
Thank you for your samurai story. I really like it – it is very pertinent for the issue I continually face.
As you summed up ” The samurai leaves the SC not out of anger or disappointment but because it is the correct action for the samurai to take. ”
Very grateful for your sharing with me the story and your wisdom – as you actively and patiently listen to my concerns.
I feel as if I have grown.
Really appreciate it Peter!
Kind rgds
DC
DCParticipantDear Anita
Thank you again for caring via listening attentively and then responding thoughtfully. Means a lot! Thank you!
For a long time, it has been very difficult to acknowledge that my own mother is a narc or is toxic. We grew up indoctrinated that she can do no wrong – and everything that she did was because of love, and I have to be grateful for her satisfying my physical needs for food and shelter.
A few years ago, she started to do a few things which were blatantly and incomprehensively unkind. I think she found it difficult to accept that I have become very independent of her. And it is perhaps her perverse way of drawing me back to her. What she did plunged me into depression. The silver lining is that, in my attempt to understand her and her actions, I grew and pierced the original delusion I had about her.
Your insights have enabled me to again revisit my childhood, and realise that maybe my preoccupation with justice, albeit a little trivial, stems from what happened during my childhood – and to put in your words, perhaps my attempt to right the “core injustice” that happened to me and my siblings all those years ago.
Perhaps within me is an anger – a burning flame – that has never been extinguished.
So, to heal and move forward, would the way be to accept that all of us are flawed (including my mother), and then let go? As you rightly said, injustice is everywhere.
Thanks again Anita for your invaluable insights!
Gratefully,
DC
DCParticipantDear Anita
Thank you for asking and helping me get to the bottom of my “injustice” issue.
I have 2 siblings, and we were parented by a single mother, whom I came to realise is a narcissistic and toxic person. She has little capacity for empathy, is self centred, controlling, critical, etc. If you read about the traits of a narcissistic mother, she has all of them.
To this day, each time I contact her (we don’t live in the same country), she would never ask about how I am doing but instead, focus on what she wants from me – in a very ungrateful and demanding way. It is very clear that it is all about her. It is my culture to respect elders, so all my siblings just give in to her whims and wishes. She is getting older now, and those demands are increasing. I feel that she uses us for her own needs. I don’t think we have ever got any form of emotional support from her. The only support from her was housing, education, clothes, food, etc when we were growing up.
My dad died when we were 5 years old, and my mother had an affair with a married man. This man tortured and abused us kids, physically and emotionally. The abuse lasted till we were grown-up in our late teens. I left as soon as I could to study univeristy in another country. And never returned to live with my mother, much to her disappointment as she wanted me to be back looking after her.
The above is a brief account of my childhood. There was a lot of trauma as we were abused as children.
When dealing with my mum, while I understand that it is important to set boundaries, I don’t want to feel the guilt of neglecting her when she passes on. She is elderly now. So, I find myself wrestling with a dislike for her as a toxic person/parent, but a deep care for her because she is my mother.
rgds
DC
DCParticipantDear Peter –
No apologies needed! I do appreciate the kindness in your heart for assisting me – and you have, a lot more than you realise!
Both you and Anita have been fabulous in providing me with fruitful perspectives to help me grow. I am eager to learn and probe deeper into why I do certain things habitually. And yes, this police role is absolutely true – unsure why I continually go out of my way to see that perpetrators do not get away with misdeeds. I have started to ponder why I am this way, why I am so attached to the outcome to the extent that I want to control it – rather than detaching from the outcome.
I am very new to Buddhism so I have a lot to learn. Any guidance would again be gratefully received.
Thank you again Peter.
Cheers,
DC
DCParticipantDear Anita – Thank you again for your dedication to helping me. Yes, you are absolutely right! There was a lot of childhood trauma that perhaps is manifesting in adulthood. I really had to delve into it today before I responded. Thank you again for your kindness and thought-provoking messages. They have helped me a great deal!
Cheers
DC
DCParticipantHi Peter
Thank you for your considered advice. I appreciate it very much. Problem is that I find it hard to be involved and not blow the whistle on such unethical behaviour. I understand you said to adopt the middle way. However I am unsure how I can see those wrongdoings (by being in the SC) and keep quiet. It is my calling out on such behaviours that has led to ridicule and abuse by other SC members. Hence I am thinking that I should bail out completely because I feel that under the circumstances, I cannot be an SC member and yet keep quiet. I simply cannot “unsee” things that I see. What do you think?
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