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June 6, 2016 at 4:22 am in reply to: Internet debate gone horribly wrong – trauma, ruined conscience #106620MeteParticipant
Nah, I wasn’t being a troll. Neither am I going to claim I’m completely innocent or anything, but the way some people there behaved was truly mind boggling – I’ve never seen anything like it before. Instantly resorting to personal insults and striving to make the absolute worst of people based on a hastily written forum post. You go and express a half baked opinion, prepare to get torn apart by people you’ve been buddies with for years. I can go and read the comments section of any online article dealing with immigration and find people saying way nastier things that what I had to say.
The forums I’m currently a member of are much more lax and I don’t have to worry about anything like this happening ever again, luckily.
The more I think about it, the more absurd the concept of even debating immigration online becomes. Why invest all that energy on something that will change absolutely nothing?
June 1, 2016 at 3:54 pm in reply to: Internet debate gone horribly wrong – trauma, ruined conscience #106245MeteParticipantHello! It’s been a while. I’m feeling a bit better, it certainly helps that it’s not so dark anymore. Had my psychologist appointment and it went as you’d expect. We went through the whole ordeal, he asked some questions and so forth. Nothing groundbreaking, but it did help a bit and it’s certainly nice to be able to talk about this stuff with a professional. I have another appointment a few weeks from now.
I got in touch with the last person related to this on that forum and she was very supportive and condemned the way others behaved toward me back then so that’s nice. I’m done with that forum for good.
Also, some changes to my plans. I applied for master’s studies but screwed up the application process and received a negative reply – in other words, I have to wait another year to apply again. So what I’ll instead do now is continue my current studies with a fifth year. This is honestly okay because now I don’t have to worry about graduation. I did not manage to land a job for the summer, so I’ll spend it doing some online courses for credits and recovering so that I have energy in the fall. If money becomes an issue, I can look for a part time job in the fall, or take up a loan.
April 11, 2016 at 10:14 am in reply to: Internet debate gone horribly wrong – trauma, ruined conscience #101537MeteParticipantThey’ll place me on a queue after the health check and I have no idea how long the queue will be. I’ll be sure to keep you updated, though.
April 11, 2016 at 9:51 am in reply to: Internet debate gone horribly wrong – trauma, ruined conscience #101534MeteParticipantThe refugee crisis was not my main concern at the time, although I did try to debate it on the side. My main concern at the time was the role of islam in Europe, to which the refugee crisis does tie, since many of the refugees are muslim. There are some eastern European countries who have announced their willingness to take in refugees, but only if they are Christian, if my memory is to be believed. Currently, I don’t really know what I believe. I mean, for a long time I didn’t know what I thought about any of this – it hadn’t been part of my interests and I had never formed an opinion. I had been gathering statistics and following news related to immigration and islam for a while and it was that first post I made that really got me thinking more about it – you could say I became obsessed. Now I suppose I am back to square one – I have gone back on my words and it is no longer an immediate interest of mine – which does frustrate me, because I would like to be interested in it and debate it elsewhere, but I have been burned to the point where I would just rather take a long break from all of it, and get back to it when I am genuinely interested in it again and do not feel like I owe anyone anything for my past words. I clearly remember how just before I made that second post, I was so ridiculiusly excited that it completely clouded my judgment. They were discussing a hate crime directed toward some muslims at the time which should’ve been a red flag that hey, maybe this isn’t the right place to debate this.
I’m very thankful that you’re taking the time to discuss this with me. I also booked an appointment for a health check next week, and they’ll hopefully direct me to a psychologist.
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April 11, 2016 at 9:11 am in reply to: Internet debate gone horribly wrong – trauma, ruined conscience #101527MeteParticipantWe have a budget deficit because we still haven’t fully recovered from the 2008 crisis. Last year, a number of cuts were introduced to help reduce that deficit, but not only is cutting funds spent on education incredibly counterproductive, the refuge crisis is such a money sinkhole that we’re no better off than we were before because no actual money has been saved. I’m not sure what the consensus on that decision is. Obviously, you have people supporting taking in tons of refugees – typically people on benefits themselves and with little understanding of economics.
I did actually talk about this in my second post on that forum – really, it was a big mess where I tried to combine several topics into one post – and expressed my opposition toward taking in refugees, which led to people guilt tripping me and I ended up making donations to refugee funds to help me feel better. It was a stupid martyr move all around. Like I said, I had other forums with very like minded people where I could’ve discussed this stuff freely with no fear of my words backfiring on me.April 11, 2016 at 8:50 am in reply to: Internet debate gone horribly wrong – trauma, ruined conscience #101522MeteParticipantTuition is still going to be free, but the direct monthly support students get will be cut, I believe. So the state provides monthly support as long as you get enough credits, and also allows students to take up a low interest loan, which is also partially backed up by the state, so you don’t actually have to pay it back in full. This change is meant to leave the less student relying on the monthly support alone, since it is more expensive for the state. Tuition fees for international students will be introduced soon – thus far studying has been ‘free’ for them as well.
My sister moved to the Netherlands last year to study and immediately took up a loan. I hope she handles it responsibly, knowing her past spending habits. I can be quite frugal myself.
The government elected by last year’s elections did introduce a number of budget cuts to help the budget deficit – and the extra spending caused by the refugee crisis ate up most of the ‘saved’ money, I believe. It’s a mess.April 11, 2016 at 8:31 am in reply to: Internet debate gone horribly wrong – trauma, ruined conscience #101517MeteParticipantI’m middle class. We have quite a large house, but aren’t affluent by any means. I currently live in a small student apartment. My parents are divorced and my dad has remarried. I have good family relations, luckily. For all intentions and purposes, I would describe myself as having a typical background. I’m not dealing with immediate money concerns for the time being, but I certainly hope I land a job for the summer and save up a bit. Our school system has no tuition fees and I hope to make it all the way through my Master’s studies without racking up debt. The state is quite supportive of students in general, although benefits will be cut soon in favor of incentivizing students to take up a loan, which many people object to.
April 11, 2016 at 4:03 am in reply to: Internet debate gone horribly wrong – trauma, ruined conscience #101508MeteParticipantI think your stance is very reasonable and I’m sure many ordinary people would agree.
I’m an international student too, which makes this whole episode all the more absurd. I just spent all fall afraid of basically everyone who wasn’t white, feeling like I needed to apologize for existing, going, ‘why have I been reduced to this?’. These are the people I’ve been working with for years now, how did it come to this? I haven’t had too many classes where I worked with other people either, which probably would’ve helped with reconnecting with people.
There is another thing. Are you familiar with the concept of ‘white privilege’? If you’re not, you’ll probably be able to deduct what it means. It essentially refers to how in some countries, white people could be perceived as having an advantage over others by virtue of being white. It is most commonly used in the context of black-white relations in the US. Whites aren’t the only ones – Asians are usually the second in line. I don’t think there are too many people who would outright claim that there is no condition in the US where a white person might be advantaged over a black person, but this is a whole another can of worms that is quite honestly out of my comfort zone. The term is most commonly employed by left-wing/progressive people engaged in identity politics – I don’t think you’re very likely to find a Republican talking about it. Regardless, with my first post, I outright denied having any such privilege, and still do – anyone looking to extend it to applying it to Finns would have to display such grave lack of historical knowledge it is not even funny. When some whites were practicing slavery, we were poor peasants under Swedish or Russian rule. Many ethnic groups in Europe could be described as having been under similar conditions, but that doesn’t stop some people from trying to extend the concept of white privilege to apply to all white people everywhere, and sure enough, that communist fellow did insist it applies to me as well. He was particularly rude and condescending about it, too. Why this matters is that I still find myself obsessing over it after all this time, his insults etched into my brain. It did not bother me too greatly immediately after, but that second post caused it to eventually pop right into my consciousness, mocking me for days on end. I can only wonder what part of the brain caused that to happen, but I do not like it one bit. I have done my best to forgive him, but all of this is still a very sore spot.
April 10, 2016 at 12:40 pm in reply to: Internet debate gone horribly wrong – trauma, ruined conscience #101444MeteParticipantAbout separating good beliefs from bad ones. When I made that first post, I remember saying something along the lines of “this country is entirely self built and I am going to do what it takes to protect it from threats, be they from the inside or outside.” That is a very powerful statement and something I’d like to say I still stand behind. I’m from Finland and I don’t know if you’re familiar with our history but there’s quite a bit of stuff there to be proud of. I wouldn’t necessarily desribe myself as being much more nationalistic than my average countryman and nationalism is certainly something that can be abused to divide people, but I had come to agree with some nationalist European parties. I also expressed my concern for preserving our culture, although that was closer to something I came up with on the spot, rather than a deep-rooted belief. The guy I first tried debating this stuff with was a communist so we were on a completely different page from the start and he instantly resorted to personal insults. It annoys me I still remember those. I did say later that I am all for positive cultural exhange, despite opposing multiculturalism, which I had come to view as being divisive and all around unnatural. For example, our food culture is quite bland and has most certainly benefited from globalization, but I couldn’t agree with others proposing areas disproportionaly inhabited by a single ethnicity as a positive. To me, that just sounds like segregation,no matter how many pretty words you cover it with. I also expressed strong pro-Europe views with my second post, which I’d like to say I still stand behind. However, I was definitely operating under a mindset back then where I had come to view many things as a threat, and you could argue that is not a healthy mindset to have. I suppose I enjoyed it to a degree, before it resulted in massive amounts of headache. I suppose I had also come to support assimilation over integration which doesn’t sit well with some people who view it as a method of suppressing minorities and denying them the right to keep their own culture. I find this really depends on the country – I very much support a ‘when in Rome, do as the Romans do’ approach. Meanwhile, other countries are built on immigration and thus the merging of many different cultures. There’s really no ‘one size fits all’ solution here. Add to that the fact that people can’t even agree over what multiculturalism actually means and debating this stuff on an international forum is bound to be difficult.
Really, there was a lot of stuff there I still agree with – but I’d just like to be able to think of anything else after all this time.- This reply was modified 8 years, 7 months ago by Mete.
April 10, 2016 at 8:51 am in reply to: Internet debate gone horribly wrong – trauma, ruined conscience #101420MeteParticipantYup. I’ve decided that I will try and make an appointment with the psychologist services provided by student health care. The queue times can be long and I’m certainly past the worst of this, but talking with a professional can’t hurt.
Thanks for all the support.
April 9, 2016 at 9:37 pm in reply to: Internet debate gone horribly wrong – trauma, ruined conscience #101407MeteParticipantI also tried debating the refugee crisis on the side and that did obviously not go well and I will readily admit I don’t have the slightest clue what should be done about it. I also expressed my strong opposition toward multiculturalism – now I don’t particularly care. So I’m going back on my words there as well. All of this is way bigger than me and I bit off more than I could chew.
April 9, 2016 at 8:39 pm in reply to: Internet debate gone horribly wrong – trauma, ruined conscience #101406MeteParticipantThe powers use blood and act as spells, basically. Turn you invisible, turn enemies insane, so on. The dialog abilities allow you to persuade, seduce or outright force your will through when dealing with various people in the game world. I don’t think Santa Monica in the game is anything like it is in the real world – it is quite small.
Goodnight. I will try to get some schoolwork done – been slacking off for a few days.
April 9, 2016 at 8:12 pm in reply to: Internet debate gone horribly wrong – trauma, ruined conscience #101402MeteParticipantHmm. That would be Jet Set Radio Future. It’s a skating platformer game with great music that came with the Xbox I got as a kid and played through countless times. I’m currently hoping the publisher gives it an HD rerelease on the PC because it definitely deserves that treatment. These days I’m more of a PC gamer (it’s only natural for an information technology student) and I’m currently replaying a game called Vampire the Masquerade – Bloodlines. It’s an excellent, immersive vampire role playing game. Kind of those vampire TV shows that teenage girls love, except for roleplaying nerds, haha.
Music wise, I’m mostly a metal and electronic music kind of guy. I really enjoy the kind of adrenaline boost metal music gives you – hop on the bike in the morning, put your buds on and listen to a very fast track and you won’t be tired anymore by the time you reach school.
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April 9, 2016 at 7:55 pm in reply to: Internet debate gone horribly wrong – trauma, ruined conscience #101400MeteParticipantRight now I’m just going to get on with interests I had before all of this. Video games and music are two of my hobbies but I’ve had trouble with immersion obviously and had a long period when I couldn’t enjoy either properly. Beyond that, take care of my responsibilities (school, work, my own health) and get hang of a routine.
April 9, 2016 at 7:24 pm in reply to: Internet debate gone horribly wrong – trauma, ruined conscience #101397MeteParticipantThat is a very solid piece of advise, thanks. There was some stuff there that was not okay and was ill-thought out in general. You could interpret my second post as me saying I do not want a single muslim in Europe. Which I’m 100% sure I never fully believed for a second, but I said it anyway. There was a ‘it’s best for everyone because this will only get worse’ aspect to it but that was still incredibly hamfisted and I’m proud to say I’ve gone back on that. I will readily admit I had to come to have a negative view of the religion and muslims in general – which isn’t necessarily uncommon if polls are to believed. I’ve seen ones claiming a majority of people in some European countries share that view, while in others it’s only along the lines of one fourth. Still, that was not the way to handle it, and it’s what I’m apologizing for for the most part. I’ll get back to this eventually and figure out what I actually believe but for now I’ll be glad to focus my attention on completely different things.
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