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September 4, 2016 at 12:04 pm #114220SueParticipant
I was once married to an alcoholic and went to AA and Al-Anon meetings. At the meetings it was always stressed to “Take what you need and leave the rest.” I pretty much apply that to reading and posting on forums, too. There may be good advice, there may be bad advice, but hearing it all helps one to decide which route they feel most comfortable taking, or at least that’s true for me.
SueSeptember 4, 2016 at 10:05 am #114209SueParticipantHi, Anita.
I’m not sure how to answer your question and am a little confused as to why an answer would help you decide how to proceed with posts to me. I would hope you would express your feelings and beliefs honestly and openly regardless of how much of it I agree with. Isn’t a forum about getting, evaluating, and pondering ALL inputs and all different perspectives? I think I can learn a little bit from everyone as there is no one simple, cut and dry solution to my problem. It will most likely be a combination of suggestions, feedback and input from various approaches.My initial reaction is that trying to approach her with love and forgiveness gets me nowhere – been there, done that. It’s basically what I’ve been trying to do for years – win her approval by killing her with kindness. I am at the stage of life where I’m leaning towards “If you’re a miserable, unhappy person, there is nothing I can do to help you with that so I must now protect myself from you and learn to fully enjoy the life I have left.”
In reply to Monklet, most of the “family” is hers. She had three children, and they all now have spouses and children, so she hosts all the get-togethers and holidays. For me to try and see my nieces and nephews without her would unleash a wrath that would punish not only me but her children as well. Actually, her daughter is a drama queen that drinks too much and one of her sons is a heroin-addict and not someone I enjoy seeing. My two adult children don’t really go to her events because they distanced themselves long ago. So I am going to focus more on spending time with my children and seeing less of her family. My daughter, however, got married and moved to Oregon a few years ago so seeing her is difficult but we keep in touch electronically.
SueSeptember 4, 2016 at 8:57 am #114196SueParticipantHi Guys…. thanks for contributing and sharing. So many emotions and feelings arise when reading these posts but I guess that’s a good thing – once they are on the surface where I can feel them and acknowledge them, then I can try to deal with them. I had a therapist tell me that my way of dealing was to shove everything deep down inside, deny it, and not acknowledge it, and she was right about that. When people ask how I am or how I’m doing, or even when “I” myself do a self check on how I’m doing, I only focus on my blessings and tend to not see or acknowledge the struggles that are going on in my life. I tend to say that the the major things going on are “no big deal” but others look at me with dropped jaws and say “Oh my God – how are you possibly dealing with that and looking so calm!?!?!” I guess shoving it all down and denying it’s negativity was my way of coping. And I think it probably still is.
As an example of how there’s no winning with my sister, I always prepare myself, give myself pep talks, and enter her house with a very upbeat, positive, smile and hugs hoping it will be contagious and spread to her. Last week when I walked into her home and greeted her with a hug and smile, she said “What the hell are you so happy about!?!? Oh, that’s right – you’re on Prozac – of course you’re happy!” This, in front of approximately 20 people, some family and some strangers. Not the first time she’s done that. The next time I had to attend an event at her house, I tried to walk in neutral, thinking maybe being pleasant and happy annoyed her, so I gave a less enthusiastic hug and smile. She said “what the hell is wrong with you?!?” Shrug. Can’t win – she has something negative to say about everything I say or do. A few days later, I attended her granddaughter’s baptism. Me and my husband showed up early (didn’t want to get yelled at for being late) and she was sitting in the pew. We went and greeted her and then said that we were going to go walk around outside as the grounds and weather were beautiful and there was still an hour before the mass even begun. She went off on me about why bother coming early if you’re not going to sit down and why are you so antsy and why can’t you just sit here quietly for an hour instead of walking around? I’m not exaggerating – there is ALWAYS something she complains about – I can do no right. And I’ve spent years trying to find a way to NOT get berated whenever I see her, but I’m thinking the best thing is to ACCEPT it will always be this way and just stop seeing her as much as possible.
The dilemma there is she is the one that hosts all the holiday dinners for family so in my decades-long quest to “fit in” I attend them hoping for a different outcome and because I want to see the rest of the family. Lately I’ve been turning down invitations and I’m avoiding the anxiety and stress she causes me, but then I feel depressed about not being involved in the family events and being left out of the loop by not attending.
I guess I need to let go. I have always preferred to keep to myself (gee, I wonder why) so my job, husband, dogs and hobbies are enough for me – I need to stop fantasizing about a family relationship that can never be.
SueSeptember 3, 2016 at 9:14 pm #114165SueParticipant“When you are feeling vulnerable, the central meridian, one of the two energy pathways that govern your central nervous system, can be like a radio receiver that channels other people’s negative thoughts and energies into you. If the central meridian is off, you are open and exposed.”
Thank you for the feedback and the links – I will read and watch all of it – lucky for me it’s a 3-day weekend. I am a little confused by your above comment: So should I think of the zipper as an On/Off switch? You say when it’s “off”, I am open and exposed, so I should zip up to turn it on?
Thanks again for sharing.
SueSeptember 3, 2016 at 8:58 pm #114163SueParticipantHi there.
My tics started when I was 6, and of course they confused the heck out of me, scared me, and then I quickly realized I needed to be ashamed and embarrassed by them and try to subdue them and hide them. Great start to life. I had absolutely no “safe place” or safe person. My parents and both sisters came here from overseas “on the boat” so I never knew any grandparents or aunts or uncles.I’ve tried to figure out if I had/have Tourette’s or OCD or tics, but I believe they are all connected and related so I guess it doesn’t matter what I call them. Anti-depressants helped make my OCD tolerable – it totally took over my life for a while there.
I’d love to hear more about the things you’ve learned through your healing path. It’s nice to chat with someone who “gets it”.
SueSeptember 3, 2016 at 6:21 pm #114152SueParticipantWow. Just . . . wow. Your response was incredibly insightful, clear and gave me such a great sense of relief! Your comments about how and why this still keeps happening to me not only helps me understand why I can’t beat this, but it makes me feel like less of a failure for NOT being able to “get over it”. I wish just one of my therapists had been able to pinpoint it for me that quickly and clearly – it would have saved me years of effort and frustration and, ultimately, feelings of failure and defeat.
This is NOT my fault, and there isn’t much I CAN do to change the situation, but now I maybe I can accept that and stop wasting energy trying to beat it or conquer it.
For a little more background (which will just solidify what you so accurately summarized) my sister has LITERALLY been this way towards me since the day I was born: I was born on her 10th birthday and she resented now having to SHARE her birthday with someone else every year. And the fact that she and my other sister are 10 and 9 years older than me just made the feelings of isolation, abandonment, and inferiority even stronger – they bonded together and I was always just the pesky little sister who had nothing in common with them. My mother was of no help, as a matter of fact she contributed to my problems: when I started developing tics and OCD and nervous habits, she would scream at me to stop because I was embarrassing her and that someone might think I was crazy and lock me away. I also heard during my early years that she thought she was too old to be having me and that she cried through the entire pregnancy because she didn’t want another child. Gee, thanks, Mom.
Looking back, I’m amazed that I turned out as well as I did. But while you’re living your life, you have no idea that there are valid reasons for what you’re feeling and that this isn’t how everyone grew up. I couldn’t figure out what was wrong with me. Finally, all these years later, I have a slight clue.
Thanks for giving me the peace and comfort to realize there’s not much I can do to change it, that I should continue to avoid wherever possible, and that I should just put up my wall to protect my heart and head when I’m going to be around her. I may print your reply and carry it around with me, not only as a reminder to myself, but to show to my well-meaning friends when they tell me to just not take it personally and not let it bother me. If only it were that easy.
Sue
September 3, 2016 at 9:35 am #114117SueParticipantHello. I’m new here so don’t know if it would be preferred that I start my own thread or jump in on this one that is already similar to what mine would read like. If it’s inappropriate for me to jump in here, please feel free to delete my post.
I have a toxic sister who I have pretty much decided that I need to avoid as much as possible, but to completely avoid her would also mean not seeing my nieces, nephews, their children, etc. And with major life event celebrations (and deaths) there are times we all must get together. I have tried therapy, I have tried being nice to her bullying and put-downs, I have tried ignoring, I have tried having prepared come-back lines…. nothing works – she still has a way to get to the small inner child of mine that she bullied from the day I was born (and is still doing it 60 years later). She will never change and it’s not my job to change her, but I still struggle with the affect she has on me, the comments she makes that cut to my core, and the embarrassment she tries to cause me every time we are in the same place.
I no longer care that she may be doing it out of her own insecurities or unhappiness… that is her problem, not mine, but the way she STILL can affect me, and so powerfully, is mind boggling. I’m here looking for help on not letting her do this for the rest of my life. There are some happy events coming up in the family and I am already stressed and anxious over her not only ruining them for me, but causing me to take major steps backwards in my personal growth.
Thanks for listening, and, again, if this needs to be moved elsewhere, just let me know.
SueSeptember 3, 2016 at 7:49 am #114104SueParticipantI am brand new here, too, and have a LOT to learn so please only take my words with a grain of salt, but I very much related to your story. I had a man in my life who for the life of me I STILL can’t understand why I was so drawn to. Intellectually I knew he was bad for me but I couldn’t stay away. This went on (like yours) for 10 years and I finally found the strength to break away and stay away. But that doesn’t mean I didn’t think about him constantly and still cry over him often for a very long time. If I could go back a few years and give myself some advice it would be to just “Accept” that I am always going to feel love for the man and that I may always miss him, but that that’s OK, as long as I didn’t act on those feelings. Those feelings may never go away but they do fade and life will go on.
Again, I’m brand new here, loving this forum, and hoping you find some comfort in knowing I can totally understand your situation.
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