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  • #112431
    Daniela
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    Hello,

    Recently, I’ve come to understand that no relationship is worth it if one does not feel emotionally safe around the person. However, I can’t reconcile where to go from here completely and I was hoping some of you might have some suggestions/advice. Obviously, no person is perfect and it doesn’t seem helpful to cut off all those people, especially since you can’t really get away from all of them (some might be co-workers etc). So, how do you engage with others, who you feel are unsafe emotionally, while maintaining your own emotional safety?

    Additionally, I think another part of the issue for me is that in trying to remain friendly or in contact when choice is possible, it feels like I’m being inauthentic and it makes me feel bad. I think there might be something in here that I’m not clearly seeing. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Thank you!

    #112432
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Daniela:

    Your question: ” how do you engage with others, who you feel are unsafe emotionally, while maintaining your own emotional safety?”

    My answer: Do not engage with anyone who is unsafe emotionally, that is someone who is abusive. If it is a coworker, assert yourself, do what needs to be done to ensure a safe working environment. A co worker may be unpleasant and you have to endure it, but abuse has to stop. If it is a family member, a parent, a sibling, such- avoid contact altogether or see in context where abuse is not possible, such as in a wedding, a big gathering, but not otherwise.

    You wrote: “in trying to remain friendly or in contact when choice is possible, it feels like I’m being inauthentic and it makes me feel bad.” It is inauthentic to act friendly with someone you don’t like. I mean, beyond saying “hello” to a neighbor you don’t like. Otherwise, acting friendly, smiling to someone you dislike- it is inauthentic. So don’t. There is no virtue in that. Say “hello” or “good evening” at the most and go about your business.

    If you’d like to put more detail in your question, I will further reply. Hope you post again.

    anita

    #112433
    Daniela
    Participant

    Thanks Anita,

    I think I’m okay with setting boundaries when people are obviously unhealthy/toxic. I think, I tend to feel guilty about not wanting to maintain contact with those people who at times I was friendly with but have since then realized that I don’t have an interest in prolonging the contact. However, social norms dictate that I keep up appearances but I find that really draining. Plus, I feel guilty. What if their feelings get hurt that I removed them FB or they will retaliate etc.? Thanks!

    #112435
    Daniela
    Participant

    I think I find myself at a crossroads of sorts. To become more myself or to stay the same. And I am scared. And I think I feel slightly paralyzed. I feel like I have set myself up for this and have the skills to do what needs to be done but now I’m wavering. And I keep going back and forth.

    #112436
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Daniela:

    I don’t care much for “social norms” – depending of course on the specifics. Notice you feel two things about disliking people: Guilty and Afraid, afraid that they will retaliate. I know this fear. I used to go to great lengths to prevent feared retaliation. Problem is going those great lengths I hurt myself.

    In my case, I feared retaliation because as a child if my mother didn’t like the expression on my face, she retaliated. So that fear got imprinted in me.

    I no longer smile at people if I don’t feel like it and no retaliation. I also terminated contacts with people- and again, no retaliation.

    To thine own self be true. As long as you are not abusive to another, it is okay to not fake friendliness and it is okay to limit or eliminate contact with others. You don’t OWE anyone to be friendly with them (unless they pay your bills, I say) and fearing people who did not already display dangerous behavior toward you- is not reasonable.

    Your thoughts…?

    anitaa

    #112437
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Daniela:

    Just read your latest post. The crossroad… I vote, if I may, for you to become more yourself regardless of the fear. Become yourself slowly then, so the fear is not overwhelming. Be authentic is small ways and wait and see: any retaliation? Probably not. You will then get the courage to be authentic a bit more, and you wait and see- any negative consequences? Probably not. And so you keep going, make progress at your own pace, but let there be progress.

    anita

    #112438
    Daniela
    Participant

    Thanks, Anita. That was helpful. I have two big important things left to do to move forward and they are both challenging. I feel like letting go of some people was an important aspect of me becoming more fully myself. So, I’ve let those that I was doubting go and it felt good (sort of like cleaning house). The last two things are harder. One is quitting smoking. And the other one is finishing up a major exam. I can’t seem to move forward and I keep thinking that the smoking is hindering me, if that makes sense. Then I stop smoking, throw them away, and then I go back to them because I’m afraid but they don’t help with the exam. I just end up smoking and procrastinating. I know I’m capable of doing both but I seem to not quite fully believe it. So I’m stuck in both. I’ve quit before and I am fully aware of why I smoke etc and a huge part of myself is telling me to stop, that I don’t need them anymore. I’m not worried about withdrawl, I’ve been fine before. I use them as an emotional crutch. But then, I give in to the fear. And that ties up with me not moving through with my exam. Which is a big deal. I feel like letting go of smoking and doing my exam without it, is leaving my past behind and moving forward with a lot of uncertainty because I don’t have much experience operating from a worthy/secure sense of self and I’m scared to let go but I’m also scared not to let go. I’ve done so much work on myself and I am so proud of myself but it feels like now I’ve reached the end and these are the last two pieces and I can’t seem to move through it. Thoughts?

    #112439
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Daniela:

    Fear is the most powerful emotion there is. There is no way to eliminate fear but there are ways to lessen it.

    Everyone is afraid, everyone is anxious. When you are afraid, you are not the only one. I am afraid every day. But doing so much better than I used to. I am more in control and feel stronger, less reactive, more capable to function okay regardless of the fear.

    You are obviously afraid of the exam, and somehow the smoking is tied to this fear. What if you see yourself as you and this little girl in you (the inner child)- and treat her gently and patiently because she is so afraid. Treat her with empathy, just like you would treat a little girl in your care.

    Take her hand, talk to her … a lot, ongoing. Out loud maybe. Hear her tell you she is scared. Guide her in taking one step at a time toward the studying and doing the things she is afraid of doing.

    Every time you want a cigarette as an ineffective “solution” to the fear, talk to her. Tell the little girl you are there for her and will be there for her every step of the way.

    It really is about developing a personal relationship with that inner child, or the child within, the child that you still are. It is about listening to her and talking to her. To yourself, that is, but gently, patiently, empathetically.

    It is about taking good care of yourself, the best you can, all the time. Putting yourself first, working for your benefit, one step at a time, one day at a time, expecting only progress, no perfection. Expecting feelings to change, fear to get lesser and stronger and when you feel it stronger, know you can endure it as you have in the past. Know it will not kill you, it is just very uncomfortable.

    Once you realize it is not dangerous, fear itself, it is only uncomfortable AND you have felt a whole lot of it and survived, once you build confidence in your strength to endure it without reacting automatically to it- then you are on your way to living a courageous and authentic life.

    I hope I made sense. Will be back at the computer in about ten hours. Hope to read from you when I am back. Take good care of yourself, of the scared little girl in you: she needs your attention, your care, your empathy and gentleness, your loving guidance.

    anita

    #112485
    Daniela
    Participant

    Thanks Anita,

    I’m going to give it a try. I think it makes a lot of sense. Growing up, I had to be invisible at first and then when I moved, I had to be perfect. I have taken some time off to work on myself and this exam would be my first task after coming back. I’ll let you know how it turns out. Thank you for your help. I appreciate it.

    #112487
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Daniela:

    You are welcome. You wrote that you were first invisible and then you had to be perfect. My thought reading it was: when you had to be perfect, that meant that the imperfect you had to still be invisible, only what was perfect was invited to be visible. If this is so for you, then I can very much relate. We can continue this discussion any time. And here on this thread, your imperfection is welcome.

    anita

    #114117
    Sue
    Participant

    Hello. I’m new here so don’t know if it would be preferred that I start my own thread or jump in on this one that is already similar to what mine would read like. If it’s inappropriate for me to jump in here, please feel free to delete my post.

    I have a toxic sister who I have pretty much decided that I need to avoid as much as possible, but to completely avoid her would also mean not seeing my nieces, nephews, their children, etc. And with major life event celebrations (and deaths) there are times we all must get together. I have tried therapy, I have tried being nice to her bullying and put-downs, I have tried ignoring, I have tried having prepared come-back lines…. nothing works – she still has a way to get to the small inner child of mine that she bullied from the day I was born (and is still doing it 60 years later). She will never change and it’s not my job to change her, but I still struggle with the affect she has on me, the comments she makes that cut to my core, and the embarrassment she tries to cause me every time we are in the same place.

    I no longer care that she may be doing it out of her own insecurities or unhappiness… that is her problem, not mine, but the way she STILL can affect me, and so powerfully, is mind boggling. I’m here looking for help on not letting her do this for the rest of my life. There are some happy events coming up in the family and I am already stressed and anxious over her not only ruining them for me, but causing me to take major steps backwards in my personal growth.

    Thanks for listening, and, again, if this needs to be moved elsewhere, just let me know.
    Sue

    #114118
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Sue:

    Since this existing thread is still fresh in time, and the original poster may return to it (and is welcome to do so), it is better that you copy your above post and paste it into your own thread: click FORUMS above, choose a CATEGORY, click the chosen category (ex, RELATIONSHIPS), go down the page and paste into empty box. See you there!(no need to delete your post on this thread because the original poster may reply to it here).
    anita

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