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  • in reply to: Depressed due to guilt and fear #100095
    ravi_zimmerfan
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    Ya, MD it is. Though technically speaking, people do get married while doing postgrad so crossing undergrad is all that’s really vital. Because in our field a job is pretty much guaranteed after joining postgrad.

    Regarding my anger, I did try to be assertive. But almost always they get on my nerves and my self-restraint cracks. Also, even if I manage to be assertive to them, I am just sick of this voice in my head I mentioned. Which tries to prod me to reply rudely to Jerry. If only that voice is eliminated, almost definitely I’ll be able to control my anger.

    Your suggestion about talking to her dad has made me much thoughtful. I can see the logic and clear rationale behind it and I agree that in the ideal situation, it would surely work for the good of both of us. Unfortunately, there are a whole lot of factors in reality that serve as obstacles currently.

    1. My sinking career. Nobody would ever even consider taking the words of someone in my condition seriously. This makes me all the more upset at my family because much of it is their fault, and mine too. 🙁
    2. I really don’t know much about her dad at this point. Though from what little I know he’s definitely a very decent and good person, it’s not sufficient. She made it clear that she does not want them to find out about our relation. If I tell him, she could feel betrayed. What if after going home, he gets angry on her for keeping contact with me in secret and all kinds of chaos follows?
    3. I don’t feel he’ll empathize with me if I reveal about the fights we had. Because those fights are seriously ugly. He’d only be indignant about me, a stranger from the Internet, ill-treating his daughter like this. I can imagine him telling me to stay away from her or they’ll call the police if they find me talking to her again.
    4. I will have to go to her city to meet him and all, which is currently impossible for me as I’m dependent on parents for everything. For all I know, he might already have planned to get her married to some family friend’s son or whatever. I just have no idea. In such a case if I go forth, it’ll be futile. Maybe I should know the situation first, then think accordingly. I really am not sure.

    This doesn’t mean I’m not considering your idea. It is practical in the right circumstances and I’m really grateful for it, Anita. Just that these above points and possibly many more, need to be taken into account too. And as I keep stressing, she’s currently not talking to me at all and it’s unsure what’ll happen. At present at least, contacting her father is impossible for me. Praying that these dark times are resolved and I am on good terms with Jerry again, this is something that might be considered much later. But even then, my career issue is critical. That’s what everybody looks at in India and elsewhere. And currently, due to my depression, I’m not motivated to study at all.

    in reply to: Depressed due to guilt and fear #100090
    ravi_zimmerfan
    Participant

    I agree Anita, that righteous anger is a natural emotion and can even be productive in some instances. After all, a significant number of achievements in the world have been done by people fueled by a kind of anger within. Not the destructive madness which I succumb to, but grim determination to overcome whatever obstacles lie between them and the goal which means more to them than anything else. I guess that’s a form of anger too. But then, so far I’m not able to direct my anger at selective places. My anger is like spraying a field with deadly insecticide… along with the harmful insects, the useful ones are killed as well and the crop is damaged. That’s the kind of destruction my anger is causing.

    Just today morning, I had a dream that Jerry had messaged me, and the first thing I did after waking up was check my phone with foolish hopes. I wondered what I’ll feel if/when she does message me at last. To my surprise and aghast, apart from the feeling of elation and bliss I imagined, a small voice in some corner of my head also responded – “Reply her something like: finally remembered that I’m still alive, have you? What do you want now after ditching me for so long?” I just don’t understand what’s wrong with me. I fully understand Jerry’s emotions, I empathize with her and I’m ready to be humble and submissive towards whatever she says to me. I’m ready to unconditionally take responsibility for whatever happened, to blame her for nothing at all. Then why does this blasted voice crop up in my head, obscure everything else and force me to push the wrong buttons? It’s exactly what happened during our last fight. I was trying my best to be passive and gentle to her, and it was going well until she said something about my parents, this voice forcefully interpreted it as offensive and forced me to say all that toxic waste, calling me a coward. I just hate myself for it.

    I actually do not have Jerry’s address. I never sent her gifts because whenever I asked to, she refused saying that she doesn’t want her parents to find out about our relation. Even gave a plethora of reasons trying to justify why sending gifts or meeting in person isn’t necessary to maintain a relation. Right now, I feel that the wish to marry her, while a noble goal, is very far-fetched. The reasons which immediately come to mind are –

    * Most importantly, she has to accept my feelings first. I cannot force her to do anything against her wishes.
    * She currently is extremely upset and angry with me, I don’t even know if she’ll ever talk to me again, or wish to be close again even if she talks. It’s the biggest factor.
    *She’s still very young, studying and has a long way to go for her career and job. Everything else comes much later.
    *The second biggest problem – I am 26 and currently not even in college, thanks to my family and my own folly. Under the best possible scenario, if I get into medical college this year, the course still takes a minimum of 5 years for undergrad. Postgrad is another 3 years, until I can get a job. And until then, there’s very little chance that her marriage will not be arranged, or she might love someone else.
    * Even if the above problem is somehow worked out, I don’t know what to say if I do approach her parents. I can’t just say something like “Hi! I love your daughter and promise to treat her as a princess! May I pleeaasee marry her?” after all. On top of it, I have a lot of confidence issues.

    My mind currently is not even considering all this. In the night I was thinking, what if during these days, she approached someone to discuss our relationship, the way I’m discussing it with you? And what if that person examined everything and told her that I’m indeed an abusive and manipulative person and it’s best to just leave me and live happily? What if she decided that she’s indeed very much happier and relaxed ever since she stopped talking to me, and decides to keep it that way and never return? What if she finds someone else in my absence and forgets about me? I know it’s fantasizing but isn’t there at least some real possibility in it. It’s eating into my head day and night and killing me. 🙁

    in reply to: Depressed due to guilt and fear #100059
    ravi_zimmerfan
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    She often keeps talking through the door. Dad advises me to just keep quiet in that situation and usually she stops after five minutes or so. 😛 Of course these incidents are rare now. It happened yesterday because I hadn’t washed, eaten or done anything except lying locked up in my room, not studying at all. I will surely keep your advise in mind in case it happens again. But I was just sad to see that despite all my practice, my patience crumbled again due to depression and I lost my temper. If/when I am blessed to be with Jerry again, I do not wish this to happen again at any cost. I want to keep up the practice of assertiveness and being calm until I can finally weed out this inner ugliness and get victory over my negative qualities, for her.

    I couldn’t help but smile reading your second paragraph. My immediate thought was a “NO!”… that’s due to my present lack of confidence. But if I make something out of my life and work on eliminating my negativity, and becoming a good and self-sufficient man… then yes, I could hopefully muster the courage to do it for her. But that is nothing but a mere fantasy as of now. The grim reality is that I hurt her, she is upset regarding my behaviour and feelings and not talking to me since nearly three weeks now. The very essential thing I’m praying for right now is being back on speaking terms with her first. And then, with my newfound determination to change myself, rebuild our relation/friendship. Everything else comes much later.

    in reply to: Depressed due to guilt and fear #100041
    ravi_zimmerfan
    Participant

    Yes, closing the door after making myself clear is the only way to go because she doesn’t understand what I’m trying to say and just keeps repeating the same thing. I just want to practice being assertive now in the way you mentioned, and not let my temper get the better of me again.

    Regarding Jerry, she said her parents will be afraid of what other people will think of them and disconnect her Internet connection for long if they find out about me. By “terrible” consequences, I didn’t mean violence and all in case it came across like that; they’re very good people, not like that. But during our recent interaction, she didn’t mention them, rather gave her own views about why she can’t accept these feelings of mine.

    in reply to: Depressed due to guilt and fear #99996
    ravi_zimmerfan
    Participant

    Yes, my dad is much more passive and though he’s not much more understanding either, he does care for my feelings enough to leave me alone and not say anything if he feels it’ll hurt me (with rare exceptions). I told my mom to leave me alone at least 20 times today and each time she pushed me more and more with all kinds of non-stop lecturing. It’s what used to annoy me a lot even in years before and she just doesn’t understand. I do understand she’s worried about my future but after all I had assured her that I’ll study when my mind is at peace. And truthfully, if I do wish to be with Jerry then qualifying these exams is crucial, to make a good career and be good enough for her family. But I just can’t find the motivation to study due to this situation.

    I can’t say whether Jerry had been worried about this all along. She appeared very shocked when she finally found out about my feelings, but then I don’t understand why she said that “I had to talk since the call was costing you money” thing regarding our phone call; trying to deny that she felt comfortable talking to me. I did feel that blocking me in this manner was an overreaction. Dunno whether she’d have done it with anybody or because she truly loved me as a brother. Then again, I presently am only worried about being back on speaking terms with her again. The relationship part comes far later. I probably would not be feeling so upset about this situation had our last interaction not been that awful fight and all the horrible things I said. I just pray this is resolved amicably and we’re on good grounds together again.

    in reply to: Depressed due to guilt and fear #99992
    ravi_zimmerfan
    Participant

    Elle, thank you so much. It truly means a lot to me. I do hope to send it to her someday. Thanks again and stay blessed too. 🙂

    in reply to: Depressed due to guilt and fear #99990
    ravi_zimmerfan
    Participant

    Thanks Anita for going through my posts and replying so thoughtfully. I agree with most of the points you’ve put forward here and they do ring a bell with me. Here’s what I feel.

    1. Yes, this is what I feel about my anger. Unfortunately the despair is causing my resolve to crumble. Like today, nearly half the time my parents were at my back demanding what topics I’ve studied today, what’s left, what more needs to be done, we’re worried that you’re wasting precious time, nothing is more important than studies, there’s very little time left for exams, so study, study, study. I’m already broken due to this issue and this became unbearable and I lost my temper. I tried to be assertive but they didn’t understand and went on and on (especially my mom) about how studies-are-the-purpose-of-life and what not. What could I do?

    2. It’s true. Sadly, the use of past tense really makes me feel awful. I just wish that at the end of everything, our bond survives and we remain good friends at least. Maybe even a brother-sister again someday… but may this not be the end. Only you have understood what she means to me. I’m sick of everyone else lecturing me about “Come on, life stops for nobody, there are things more important than her, you must live happily for your parents.” Not a single person except you and possibly one more friend understood what she means to me.

    3. This I understand and accepted from the day I realized my feelings for her. Like I said, I do feel that when you act right from your side and believe in your heart, sometimes unexpected miracles happen. Not that I was counting on one, but for me just being with her, even as a friend is far more important than a relationship as my heart wishes for.

    4. This is true again. I can’t help but wonder if this was the reason that knowing about my feelings resulted in such a reaction from her.

    5. This point is a far cry from now. My priority is simply making up to her and reuniting with her. Everything else including this, we can worry about later.

    6. I know. But I truly do want to make up for it and make her happy… compensate for what I did. This is different from the relationship part. And I truly wish to change myself. I do not want to lose her. I prefer to die than losing her, I mean it.

    in reply to: Depressed due to guilt and fear #99987
    ravi_zimmerfan
    Participant

    My parents are so worried for my studies and almost begging me to put aside whatever is bothering me, and focus on my career first. It hurts me to see them like that. I called an anti-depression service again, and the person said I cannot hope to have her back and he can only help me cope with my pain and forget her. I disconnected after thanking him and felt truly lonely and miserable. I just wish to have her back… I swear I’ll never ask for anything else for myself. I wrote this poem to vent out my pain and feelings. I don’t know what else to do.

    My face lit up with a smile brighter than the early sunlight
    After seeing your “good morning” messages on my phone
    No matter where I went, my day was always joyfully bright
    I smiled when my phone vibrated; I knew I was never alone.

    I cannot imagine that it had been three long years until now
    I truly feel as if we knew each other since as far as I can recall
    What we meant to each other, we both know within and how
    No matter what dark times we face, can that care ever fall?

    It was a seemingly ordinary hour, just before her birthday
    When I received your wonderful message that started it all
    Our plans for our Facebook page and choosing the hard way
    To defend our elder sister and ensure her honour stands tall.

    We’re both so hesitant and introverted, unwilling to open up
    Yet on working together, we found an understanding beyond
    We were always there for each other, as support and backup
    We faced so much, and never could anything affect our bond.

    Be it in joy or sorrow, whether in light or in our darkest times
    You were there for me, to guide and help, to make me calm
    When my anger blinded me, you endured all my vile crimes
    You loved me as a brother, and your care was a healing balm.

    When the world abandoned me for the vicious beast I am
    You alone bore everything, even suppressing your own pain
    Out of your genuine care, you held back the pain-filled dam
    You smiled at my happiness and tried to mask all the strain.

    I know that I could not live up to the promise I made to you
    To control my anger and rage, to become what I once was
    None could regret my failure more than me, that’s true too
    I know that for my present pain and sorrow, I am the cause.

    For all the infernal words my tongue let slip, may it thus rot
    For all the wrong thoughts my mind held, may it set ablaze
    I twitch and squirm in this net of evil in which I was caught
    I can do nothing but look back at memories through a haze.

    I just wish you knew I never intended any harm to you ever
    When I knew my feelings had changed, I chose not to tell
    I knew you would only feel hurt, would accept them never
    I know I made mistakes, and I’m now burning in fiery hell.

    I did not intend any gossip, when in our friends I did confide
    I simply needed a place to express; I had given them my trust
    I truly did not wish to offend you, I couldn’t have even tried
    I didn’t see that it could lead to everything crumbling to dust.

    For the harsh words that my cursed lips uttered, I bear guilt
    You never meant harm and were as sweet as you always are
    For my all uncivilized behaviour, I am responsible to the hilt
    I don’t wish to make excuses, but it’s a result of my past scar.

    Ever since that incident, I have been determined to change
    To live up to my promise and to truly become a better man
    One worthy of being with you and with values wide in range
    And I found the roots of my anger in my past life’s caravan.

    With sincere efforts I wish to change myself for the better
    To never be hurtful, to have compassion and understanding
    None but you could’ve motivated me to change even a letter
    I wish you could see why your inspiration is truly outstanding.

    I’m honestly not asking you to feel the same as I do for you
    I respect your feelings and I would never even think to force
    I just wish you know that my respect and care are always true
    That they flow from my heart, like a river running its course.

    There hasn’t been a darker time in my life than these days
    I’m like a flailing ship with its sails ripped and torn asunder
    For these years you were my light of happiness on my ways
    Without you, my life is bereft of joy and any sense of wonder.

    Without you, all colours are drained and everything is grey
    The very essence of life is gone and thrown down the drain
    Without you, to hopelessness and despair I have fallen prey
    Exhaustion at this awful, wretched life paralyzes my brain.

    There’s no more bright “good morning” message in sight
    There’s no longer even your sweet “hehe lol” left to see
    No one to discuss about our show or against haters fight
    All that’s left are those memories, as painful as can be.

    I do not demand that you must reciprocate what I feel
    I simply wish that we don’t let this issue affect our bond
    That we at least have a cordial relation, and we let it heal
    Hadn’t we sworn to be together in this life and beyond?

    No matter what they say, they can never understand
    Unless they’ve been in my heart, they can never know
    They can’t see why you hold in my heart a place so grand
    That it’s not a whim but a most genuine, heartfelt glow.

    Whatever you think of me, I can never uproot my care
    The place you hold in my heart, can’t be taken by another
    No matter what the world says, all the pain I’ll gladly bear
    But I’ll never let go, and will love you more than any other

    I wish that this is not the end to the sweet bond we share
    Within our heart, both of us know its importance so well
    That we are together again is my honest and solemn prayer
    I truly pray our bond emerges unhurt from this cursed spell.

    in reply to: Depressed due to guilt and fear #99980
    ravi_zimmerfan
    Participant

    I do deserve this pain, Anita. It’s the bitter truth, but truth alright. Whatever may be the faults of my upbringing… it does not change what I did. Even some of the terrorists who cause so many innocent deaths all around the world seem to sympathetic if you examine their background, but the damage they caused cannot be undone. Jerry is one of the sweetest, kindest, most innocent and soft-hearted, genuinely loving, loyal and devoted human beings on this planet. I’m not saying it just because I love her. It’s the truth that I’ve known from a long time, even before I realized I’m in love with her. Despite knowing everything, it was I who caused fights on petty issues (such as what to post on our Facebook page) and kept away my phone in anger knowing well she was sending sorry messages relentlessly, probably crying on her end while I sat like an obstinate creature ignoring everything, replying when I felt like it. Or I sent her some 10-page long, emotionally hurtful message and threatened to never talk to her again, turned off the phone in anger knowing well that by the morning she’ll have sent a million sorry messages even if it wasn’t her fault at all. Such incidents happened not once but literally thousands of times. Is it not emotional abuse, manipulation and mind games of the worst sort? If this is not karma for my vile deeds, I dunno what is. I accept it and I know I only am responsible for this sweet girl to feel so hurt and act towards me this way. Every human being has emotional limits and I crossed hers a million times like a selfish beast and she loved me enough to forgive me silently time and again, though she has emotions too. All these thoughts are killing me and making every second of my existence a living hell.

    Yes, she blocked me after she found out from our friend that I had these feelings from her. I do feel it was too much and she could’ve just talked to me…but I cannot blame her for her reaction even if it hurts me. I already hurt her very badly, too much like you can read above. If she felt this was just another attempt of mine to hurt her, she’s well justified to feel that way after my deeds. Moreover, she told me that she does not like talking to boys at all other than her brother, and I’m the only one exception because we developed such a sweet bond over these years. It’s the truth, I myself observed that almost everyone else she ever talked to are girls. She loved me as a brother and it’s natural that she expected me to feel the same way for her. She said to me – “I did not expect this from you. I don’t feel we ever shared anything personal and we always spoke just about our favourite show and actor. I said nothing for you to be justified to feel this way for me.” As you know, the second part is wrong because we did share a lot of personal things, which she now doesn’t wish to admit. But she seems to feel I misinterpreted some of her words as romantic signals and decided to push forward, when in fact it isn’t true and the feelings are mine alone. I knew she’d not accept my feelings, that’s why I didn’t express them to her. I don’t know how to make her understand this, now that she’s not even talking to me.

    She’s also very offended by me sharing my feelings to our friends, saying “It’s completely unacceptable to me that you shared our private matters to the whole world. Do you think I should keep quiet when you go around telling people behind my back that you have romantic feelings for me?” In fact I had been careful not to share any “private” things she told me to them. I did not share my feelings to the “whole world”, but just 2 people whom we both consider our sisters. I gave her my reasons for doing it – because I knew she won’t accept my feelings. Am I not a human being? For how long can I bottle up my emotions inside me? Did I not have a right to share it with a selected few people we both consider family? It’s not like I started spreading gossip or rumours about her, for heaven’s sake. I don’t know why she can’t try to understand this. I know it’s all my fault. If I had not hurt her like a monster so many times, maybe she’d have been much softer and more understanding. It’s my karma and nothing else.

    Out of my anger, apart from the horrible things I said to her, I also exited our Facebook page and groups, which hurt her too. I made a mess of the most loving and prized relation of my life and I could give my life to just have her back… but I see nothing but darkness ahead. I cannot bear with this cursed life anymore.

    in reply to: Depressed due to guilt and fear #99965
    ravi_zimmerfan
    Participant

    Thanks for your kind words, Anita. Not even the people I considered most close in my life did that much. Either they send a bunch of ” 🙁 🙁 ” smileys along with “I don’t know what to say”, or just tell me “nothing is as important as your studies, so just study, study, study”. Never mind that they did not listen to anything I had to say for 4 years… or I’d never have to see this phase in my career.

    I’m not saying this for attention seeking or sympathy but I have nowhere else to express myself. I’m not even asking Jerry to reciprocate my feelings right now. Can worry about all that later, but why did she have to block me and treat me as though I did something criminal? She did it even before we had that fight. I know she was shocked to discover my feelings but its not like I meant any harm to her ever. I had refrained from telling her just because I didn’t want to hurt her. Every single living moment our happy memories are piercing my heart like fiery knives and I feel like ripping out my heart and throwing it away, death would be far better than a life like this. I just don’t wish to live anymore. I feel like running away from home and drowning myself, or doing whatever possible to ensure I don’t wake up alive and endure this pain more. But I’m a coward… can’t even do that. I have nothing left but lock myself in my room and cry my heart out thinking of my sweetie. I know I deserve this for treating her badly.

    in reply to: Depressed due to guilt and fear #99941
    ravi_zimmerfan
    Participant

    Yes that’s what. I wish I was different… that I had no anger issues and all. But what’s done is done and now I’m finding it extremely hard to control. Once again the temper is getting the better of me. I had messaged Jerry festival greetings with much hope and spent the whole day looking at my silent new message-less phone with false hopes. I made the mistake of going to our forum and looking at her new posts there… posts we normally used to make together. Heck, even if I find a random 2014 or 2015 date scribbled in my notebook or somewhere, I find myself thinking “that was the time when she was still with me.” Right now again my parents started the “you’re living only for studying like all other students” lecture. I’m going into deeper depression than anyone can imagine and spent the whole day locked in my room alone. My parents were speaking among themselves something like, “See? He’s giving priorities to other things and stopped studying again. He’ll not pass the exams again. All our hard efforts will be wasted.” I’m getting extremely irritated and angry at small things again (like grandma pestering me to have food) and whatever little I had progressed over the last week is crashing down.

    My friends tell me “don’t worry about Jerry, one day you will find ‘the one’ meant for you”. Of course people will feel I’m just immature and just infatuated with her… how can anyone understand what she means to me, including her? How can I tell anyone that she is “the one” and I will never love anyone else like I love her? It’s easy enough to say stuff like go out, meet other people, there are so many girls in the world and eventually find the right one, you’re just inexperienced that’s why you’re saying this, first love isn’t always correct, etc etc. Firstly I just was never interested in romance/dating and I had never set out to find “the one”. I may not be a love guru or anything, but I trust my inner message as to what she means to me. I know we did not meet and grow close for no reason. I know I will never love anyone else the way I love her. I know even if faced with temptations to love someone else, I’ll forever follow the right path and not the easy one. She has my loyalty and my love forever. I either want to be with her, or go to the grave with my heart’s desire unfulfilled. No middle path.

    Sorry for the outburst, but I’m in terrible depression from yesterday and all the people who had promised to be with me forever, I find them sending just smileys or a “hmmmm” or “I don’t know, you do what you feel right” when I confide my feelings to them. Not flattering Anita but its only you, whom I’ve known for barely a week, who’s been most understanding to me in this darkest phase of my life.

    in reply to: Depressed due to guilt and fear #99882
    ravi_zimmerfan
    Participant

    That’s what I felt too, indeed. Regarding #1, all the time I used to get feelings like, “You’re no good. He’s her blood brother, he never hurt her unlike you, he always makes her happy in a way you never can. She’ll never love you like she loves him.” My friends used to keep pointing out the absurdity of this kind of thinking. After finding out about my feelings, even she said the same – we’re both good in our own ways and though blood family always gets priority, she loves me almost as much too and doesn’t like comparisons. But I could not get over the inferiority complex no matter how much I tried.

    Point #2 is valid as well. It’s also what disturbs me the most. Not wanting someone to love even their own blood brother is one of the most disgusting things I can imagine. I was/am truly shocked to find myself thinking that way because normally my rational side would just say, “Of course she’ll love him and it’s wonderful that they share such a nice bond. She loves you so much too, despite having known you for just 3 years.” It kept screaming that in some corner, but the dragon in my head overpowered it and I kept having useless arguments for nearly the whole of February.

    And almost abruptly, once I accepted that I love her as more than a sister, the jealousy crumbled and became easy to control. I don’t understand why. Maybe because the plug was in the wrong socket all along… since I still thought of myself as her brother, my primal brain sensed a “competitor” who could take away from me someone very precious to me? Based on my elementary understanding of evolutionary psychology. But now I am on the verge of losing her due to this same behaviour. 🙁 I nearly have turned my extreme fear of losing her into a self-fulfilling prophecy. After our discussion, I’m wondering if the roots of all this are due to my upbringing. Because of my lack of self-confidence and lack of self respect due to all the fiasco that my temper caused, my inner self feels I’m not good enough for her and might never have my heart’s only true wish come true… that’s why it reacts to all perceived and real threats in this manner?

    I messaged her festival greetings and she’s not replied yet. Feeling really depressed.

    in reply to: Depressed due to guilt and fear #99823
    ravi_zimmerfan
    Participant

    Yes Anita. I need to use those tools to the fullest in order to control the rage. At least I’m trying in little ways to make it more effective. Like today while returning home, my dad took a wrong turn at a place that caused us to get stuck in a jam. I got irritated a blurted out a word I had sworn not to use. So decided to punish myself by cutting down snacks tonight. Feels almost childish but I just want to leave no stone unturned. 😛 And am maintaining that diary regularly.

    That’s a plausible explanation, though I’m not sure if that’s it. My mom never really disliked me being close to friends and all… but grandma did, though she doesn’t admit it. The last line you wrote – “to love is to possess, to be loved is to be possessed” does ring a bell uncomfortably, though. I vividly remember that “she is MINE, I wish I was her only brother, I wish all that love was MINE only” feeling. What baffles me is, I had never felt this way for anyone else, no matter how much I liked them. Here, however, I could not even stand them having a conversation, no matter how short. If she did not reply me on messenger, I used to automatically feel she’s chatting with him. If she was offline on messenger, I used to feel she’s chatting on Facebook. If offline on both places, I felt she’s admiring his photos on Instagram or talking on phone. I used to keep checking if he’s online, and when he came, kept demanding her what she’s doing, whom she’s talking with. Needless to say, she didn’t like this pathological obsession of mine at all and it only made things worse. And the incident I mentioned in my first post (her Liking his photos) finally broke the dam. I got forcibly angry, saying that this proves she loves him far more than me and never truly considered me a brother… no wonder she was so hurt and upset. I regret all of it so badly.

    I just wish I had the courage to accept my true feelings earlier, so that much of this above fiasco could’ve been avoided. I had bee trying to forget all this. But after your suggestion about trying to understand what message my anger/frustration has been giving me, I’m trying to decipher the message in this. Perhaps it may be relevant in helping win over the chronic anger.

    in reply to: Depressed due to guilt and fear #99804
    ravi_zimmerfan
    Participant

    I know Anita. The anger is almost chronic. I felt I had controlled it well last year, I even stop visited our TV forum in order to eliminate the root cause of our conflicts. I had honestly felt that we would never have a fight again. But then I realized I had become so possessive of her, and all that I mentioned in my first post happened. Despite my and my friends’ efforts to control it, the worst finally happened.

    I am wondering why I felt so insecure seeing her bond with her brother. After all any sensible person (including my own rational side) would’ve said the same, that I should be glad that despite knowing each other for just 3 years on the Internet, she gave me such a special place in her heart and life. But I could not see her loving someone else as brother. It mystified me because most of my other friends I love a lot as sisters also have brothers, and I never felt this way in any other case. Though after I accepted that my feelings for her had changed, the possessiveness became easy enough to control. But I still am wondering if it has its roots in my family upbringing issue you mentioned, and is worth pondering over.

    I agree about taking charge and am doing my best to work on it. I just went back on our forum and saw some posts by her… just made me feel extremely depressed remembering all our happy times and what happened recently, realization of the grim present hit me all over again. I’m feeling like crying. I pray everything turns alright, and I prove myself worthy of her, because I truly do not wish to live without her. Our festival is tomorrow and I’m thinking how to wish her appropriately. Hope I do it right.

    @I980s – Hope all gets well for you too, and you find this wonderful site helpful. My best wishes. 🙂

    in reply to: Depressed due to guilt and fear #99716
    ravi_zimmerfan
    Participant

    Yes, taking a break is what I had practiced last year and for a good while it did work. I had read this story about a monk who sat with his hands folded with a bottle of alcoholic drink in front of him, and told his disciples – “I cannot control my inner craving for the drink from manifesting in my mind, but as long as my hands are tightly folded, the craving alone can’t make me commit any wrong.” I had tried just that. When I was talking to Jerry and any situation seemed to have taken a dangerous turn, I just left the phone aside and went back after cooling down. On some occasions it worked… and on others, when the thing got too far, the inner voice yelling “coward” forced me to react. And sadly cooling down sometimes takes time for me too. Like after our last argument, it took me 2 days to get off the anger, that too after she sent her soft message.

    I don’t consider myself intelligent or anything. 😛 But ya, an emotional fool I surely am. At least I didn’t know what to do when they – someone I love very much – staged a drama, after I had said that doing something else is better than staying in that college, saying – “I hate this wretched life, I hope I (insert horrible fate) so that in my next life I can get a doctor for a son”. And after I broke down, hugged me saying they did the drama just to elicit this response from me, and are sorry as they have my best interests at heart. I really didn’t like it but I did not have the heart to say or do anything except going with the flow. I’m bearing the consequences now… in fact, we all are. I just do not wish to see my career go down the drain and even more not see myself losing Jerry. I will definitely take charge.

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