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November 5, 2025 at 7:37 am #451561
PeterParticipantWhen I think of that question the Bodhisattva comes to mind so I thought I’d try creating a dialog
“The Thread and the Flame” — A Dialogue
In a quiet grove at dawn. The Bodhisattva sits beneath a flowering tree. A traveler approaches, eyes bright with insight.Seeker: I have seen something. Not with these eyes, but with the heart. It came like a flame in the dark. I want to share it. I must.
Bodhisattva: Then speak, dear one. But speak as one who offers a thread, not a net.
Seeker: A thread? I don’t understand.
Bodhisattva: Words are threads. They can guide, but they cannot bind the truth. When we weave them too tightly, they become a net catching minds, but not freeing them.
Seeker: But I want others to see what I saw. To feel what I felt.
Bodhisattva: And that is noble. Yet remember: the flame you saw cannot be carried in your hands. You may point to it, but you cannot place it in another’s heart.
Seeker: Then what use is teaching?
Bodhisattva: Teaching is a gesture, not a command. A whisper, not a shout. The Dharma itself warns us: even the teachings are rafts. Useful to cross the river, but not to be carried once the shore is reached.
Seeker: So I should not speak?
Bodhisattva: Speak. But speak with humility. Let your words be invitations, not instructions. Let your lessons be lanterns, not cages.
Seeker: I see. I must share the path, not the destination.
Bodhisattva: Yes. And even the path may look different beneath another’s feet.
Finder: Thank you. I will speak, but I will listen more. I will teach, but I will not cling.
Bodhisattva: Then you are already teaching
November 5, 2025 at 7:31 am #451560
PeterParticipantHi Anita,
I’ve asked the same question many times: How do we reach others with what feels so vital, so true? My experience is that a teaching finds the seeker. That may sound trite, but I feel it as a truth. So we speak of what we learn, and we trust.But I also wonder if there is a teaching of another kind.
You once wrote about looking up at the stars as a child, praying to be seen, only to feel silence as cruelty. If you were to meditate on that moment now, as the sun rises and sets somewhere in the world, right now other children are looking up at the stars, praying to be seen, and feeling the silence as indifference.
Notice your heart break open.
Notice the impulse to hold them.
In your meditation, reach out not with words, but with presence…The deepest truths: surrender, expansion, compassion are not taught. They are felt. They are transmitted in silence, in presence, in the way your heart opens to the suffering of others.
We teach by being.
We reach by opening.
All we can really do is try.November 4, 2025 at 3:06 pm #451530
PeterParticipantHi Alessa
I’m also fascinated by emotional contagion and how even a subtle shift in language, like turning a noun into a verb or reframing “evil” as “fear,” can reshape our emotional experience. I’m also fascinated by how Language, meant to describe an experience, can solidify into constructs that not only define but also constrain future experiences.
I agree wholeheartedly: awareness is the antidote. For a long time, I saw fear as something to conquer and banish. Only that approach often reinforced the fear itself. In hindsight, I wonder if what it was really a fear of fear. Force reinforcing Force
These days, I use different language: coming to terms with. Not as a surrender to fear’s rule, but as an acknowledgment, a way of seeing it as part of the landscape. Even fear has its place in the flow. As flow fear stops becoming a trap to fall into but a something to notice and then let pass.
November 4, 2025 at 1:40 pm #451528
PeterParticipantHi Anita
That was nicely said – Acceptance or surrender as expansion… not a constriction and loss we might fear
When you say “Fear lead to Force?” I find myself answering: Yes. Always. Whether turned outward or inward, fear tightens the breath and hardens the hand.
Fear is the first contraction.
Before there is violence, there is fear.
Before there is judgment, there is fear.
Before there is control, there is fear.Fear leads to force, not just the force of weapons or words, but the subtler force of manipulation, of withdrawal, of pretending. Even the force we turn against ourselves: the inner critic, the shame spiral, the refusal to rest.
Force, by its nature, rejects flow.
This is why I suspect that fear lies at the root of what we call “evil.” Not as a cosmic villain, but as a posture of separation. A forgetting of trust. A refusal to be vulnerable.
If this is true, then the work of healing the world cannot begin with the world. It must begin within. We cannot confront the fear “out there” until we have come to terms with the fear “in here.”
So the prayer becomes not just “deliver us from evil,” but “deliver us from fear.” Not just “lead us not into temptation,” but “lead us not into fear.”
Because fear is the first temptation.
And force is its first fruit.November 4, 2025 at 9:46 am #451509
PeterParticipantSomething I’ve been working on for a while Contemplation of Fear as the First Temptation
There are prayers that ask for protection, and prayers that ask for transformation. I’ve always felt that fear is what tempts us most. Fear of losing favor, fear of suffering, fear of being seen. Today, I found an old Taoist whisper and let it echo through the Lord’s Prayer to see what might arise. What emerged was not a resolution, but a rhythm. A breath. A way.
Lao Tzu’s Whisper
To be in favor or disgrace is to live in fear.
To take the body seriously is to admit one can suffer.
Favor debases: we fear to lose it, fear to win it.
So to be in favor or disgrace is to live in fear.
I suffer because I am a body;
if I weren’t a body, how could I suffer?The Lord’s Prayer, in its ancient rhythm, asks to be delivered from evil. But I’ve long felt that what it also asks is to be delivered from fear. For it is fear that distorts love, that clouds vision, that leads me away from the face of God – from being transparent to the transcendence and into “evil”.
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A Tao-Christian Contemplation/PrayerO Source beyond name, You who breathe through all things—silence and song, hallowed be your unfolding.
Your way arises not by force, but by flow. Your will done in the stillness of hearts and the turning of seasons.Give us this moment, its fullness and enough… the bread of presence, the breath of peace.
Forgive us our grasping, as we release what we clung to. Let mercy ripple outward as softly as a falling leaf.Lead us not into fear, but into the deep trust that holds even suffering like a mother holds her child.
Deliver us from the illusion that we are separate, from the anguish of forgetting that we are already home.For yours is the rhythm, the emptiness that holds all form, the power that yields, the glory that does not shine
but glows quietly within. Amen.Just this breath.
Reflection
There is a kind of prayer that does not rise from the lips but from the ache of being human. It does not ask for rescue, but for remembrance. It does not seek favor, but freedom.In the Lord’s Prayer, the line “deliver us from evil” has long echoed as a plea for protection. But what if the evil we most need deliverance from is fear? Not fear as a passing emotion, but fear as a posture, a way of being that tightens the breath, narrows the heart, and tempts us to grasp, judge, or flee.
Lao Tzu whispers from another shore: To be in favor or disgrace is to live in fear. The Tao does not reward or punish. It flows. It invites us to step out of the game of winning and losing, and into the quiet rhythm of being.
To take the body seriously, says Lao Tzu, is to admit one can suffer. And yet, it is through the body that we learn compassion, through suffering that we learn to soften. In the same light Christian story does not bypass the body, it sanctifies it. The Word becomes flesh. The breath becomes prayer.
This reimagined prayer is offered as a bridge. It does not erase difference, but holds it gently. It honors the Christian longing for communion and the Taoist wisdom of surrender. (surrender into flow, not a giving up) It asks not for certainty, but for the courage to walk in mystery. It trusts that the kingdom is not a place, but a way, one that flows through bread, forgiveness, and breath.
And in the end, it does not conclude with Amen as a seal, but with Just this breath, a reminder that the sacred is not far off, but always arriving.Layla as anima might add: You prayed not for strength, but for surrender. Not for light, but for the courage to walk in shadow.
You asked to be delivered from fear and in that asking, you remembered who you are. Fear is the veil, not the enemy. It is the mist that makes the mountain seem far. But the mountain is here. You are already home. Favor and disgrace are passing clouds. The body suffers, yes but you are not the ache. You are the breath that holds it.October 31, 2025 at 8:06 am #451424
PeterParticipantPS – You were and are never a ‘only’ this or that. 🙂
The Sphinx spoke only once, and the Sphinx said, “A grain of sand is a desert, and a desert is a grain of sand; and now let us all be silent again”. – Kahlil Gibran
October 31, 2025 at 7:28 am #451422
PeterParticipantThat was quite beautiful, Anita. A gentle rhythm of arising and return.
Anita, in the space you’ve just touched in surrendering, the question of non-duality begins to fade. Non-duality isn’t something to understand, it’s just a word pointing to what you’ve already felt. You surrendered not to an idea, but to the truth that the wave is never apart from the ocean. In that softening, there’s no need to define or divide. There’s only presence. Only flow. And in that flow, you can rest.
Your words yesterday stirred an image that visited me again last night: a memory, like yours, only of a young boy walking alone beneath the stars, whispering into the vastness, “Help me. PLEASE help me!” And the silence answered with nothing. An old song that has never quite left.
It wasn’t an ego’s plea, but the raw ache of loneliness and grief. That little boy had been taught that God was a noun, a fixed point, separate and distant, which only deepened the grief.
But now, when such sorrow rises like the tide the prayer has softened. “G_d” has become a verb, a rhythm I’m learning to move with. Not separate or distant, but a motion — present.
Isn’t it strange how a shift so small, from noun to verb, can change everything. Language doesn’t just describe; it builds the walls and windows we look through. And most days, we don’t notice.
Today, when the wave reaches shore or when it crashes into the rocks, I remember the invitation to return, again and again, to the ocean. A flow that has become home and prayer: Let me move with the rhythm, not grasping, not resisting. Let me be held, even when I forget the Ocean.
And I rest, not as God, not as Devil but as a wave returning.
Warmly, Peter
October 30, 2025 at 2:22 pm #451411
PeterParticipantA child sang.
The sky did not answer.
Laughter rose,
Tears followed.
The wind carried both.Breath moved.
The body opened.
No watcher or watched.
Echoed.The hush before form.
No name.
No center.
Only the turning.
A child sang.October 30, 2025 at 12:16 pm #451409
PeterParticipantDear Anita,
I read your message slowly, as if we were sitting together in the quiet of early morning, letting the words rise and return.You asked about the Presence. And I’m not sure I can answer… at least not in the way answers are usually given. It’s an experience that arises when thought returns to silence and stillness. This Presence doesn’t intervene or shield. It doesn’t rescue. It holds. Not with indifference, but with a stillness that remains even when everything else falls away.
This kind of holding is, I believe, one reason one might meditate. (My inner monk is always meditating.) And in that stillness, I think of your question.
You asked if I would retroactively suggest transcending the ego to your younger self. No. I wouldn’t offer advice to her. I would sit beside her. I would listen. I would let her know her cry was heard.
I want to pause and acknowledge something: I hear how deeply you’ve wrestled with silence, especially in moments of pain. I understand how that silence can feel like absence. And I’m not asking you to forget those moments, or to bypass them with spiritual language. They matter. You matter.
When I speak of Presence, I’m not offering a solution or a fix. I’m pointing to something that doesn’t make it not so, but that holds what is. It’s not a God who intervenes in some magical way, but a stillness that remains. Not indifferent, but spacious. Not absent if quiet.
It is in this space that something new might be born… perhaps a something that transcends the past…
I suspect what I’ve been trying to share may not have landed as an invitation and wonder if it felt like a concept, or even a contradiction. Understandable, because it’s not meant to be grasped by the mind, but remembered by the heart. And only when the heart is ready.
You’ve written about those moments of the heart in your posts, though perhaps forgotten, when the ache was still there, but something in you softened. Something let go. Something was held. That’s the Presence I mean. Not a noun, not a rescuer, but a rhythm, a breath, a holding.
I don’t want to offer more words than are needed. All I can offer is to sit beside you, in silence, and say: I hear you. And maybe, just maybe, that’s enough for now.
Warmly, Peter
I will not fix, nor mend the ache, but sit beside it, as morning breaks.
No answers come, no rescue calls, just breath between what stands and falls.
A silence not of absence made, but presence deep, where pain is laid.
So let the heart, when it is ready, remember what was always steady.
And if no words can ease the now, then let this hush be enough somehow.October 29, 2025 at 1:59 pm #451384
PeterParticipantcorrection to the line – It is not the practice that leads to remembrance
– It is not the practice that leads to the source… let me try againThe Quiet Error
We often enter wisdom traditions with reverence, seeking truth, healing, or transcendence. But somewhere along the way, a quiet error slips in: we begin to treat the practice as the path, the ritual as the revelation. We follow the teachings as if they were ladders to grace, believing that if we meditate enough, love enough, surrender enough, we will earn our way into the sacred.But the source is never reached through what comes from it. The river does not return to its spring by flowing forward.
It is not the practice that leads to the source… but to the remembrance of the source. And in that remembrance, something shifts. Compassion arises not as a rule, but naturally. From that compassion, a deeper law reveals itself which is not imposed, not constructed, but unfolding like breath from silence.
Grace is not the reward for effort. It is the ground from which all true effort flows. The sacred does not demand perfection. It waits quietly, patiently, in the stillness beneath all striving.
We do not reach the source by chasing the changing. We return by softening. By listening. By remembering… We are that
October 29, 2025 at 1:41 pm #451383
PeterParticipantHi Everyone
It seems to me that one of the subtle errors we make when engaging with wisdom traditions is that we believe that to arrive at Love, Nirvana, or Heaven… we must follow the rules and or practice as if the practice itself were the path. We treat the forms as formulas, the rituals as requirements. Only the source is not reached through what comes from it.
The following is a reflection: The Quiet Error
It is easy to chase the changing – the light and the dark, the thought and the deed – believing that by following their paths, we might arrive at the source. But the river does not return to its spring by flowing forward.
This is a quiet error we often make when entering wisdom traditions: we treat the practices as prescriptions, the teachings as tasks. We follow the forms as if they were formulas, believing that if we just get it right, meditate enough, love enough, surrender enough, we will earn our way into grace.
But grace is not earned. It is remembered.
It is not the practice that leads to remembrance it is remembrance that gives rise to true practice. When we rest in what is already whole, compassion arises as a natural fragrance, not as a commandment. And from that compassion, a deeper law reveals itself, not imposed from above, but unfolding from within. Not a rulebook, but a rhythm. A rhythm that when we forget we codify and fall into the error.
The sacred does not demand perfection. It waits in the stillness beneath all striving. It is the silence behind the sound, the breath between the breaths, the presence that was never absent.
We do not reach the source by effort. We return to it by stopping. By softening. By remembering.
October 29, 2025 at 1:21 pm #451380
PeterParticipantDear Anita,
I sense a quiet hesitation. Not a rejection of the embrace, but a trembling at what it might ask of you. Maybe not because it demands anything, but because it invites a soft undoing, a loosening of the self you’ve so carefully tended, shaped, and protected.
What I point toward isn’t a task or a teaching. It’s not something to fix, achieve, or transcend. It’s something more ancient and intimate, a remembering. Not of a moment in time, but of essence of the canvas that holds creation yet remains untouched by its unfolding. It does not precede the beginning, nor follow the end. It is the stillness beneath the breath, the silence behind the sound, the unlit flame from which light dreams itself into being. A canvas always empty yet never so… It is not known by thought, but felt in the hush between thoughts. Not a place, not a moment… an isness, veiled in every moment, waiting to be remembered.
You wrote: “The ‘In the Beginning’ of non-duality, something to remember…” And yes, there is something to remember but not as a concept or destination. Even “non-duality” is part of the dance: Yin naming Yang, Yang naming Yin. But the canvas doesn’t name. It simply holds.
AUM — the breath of creation – rises and falls, surrendered to the silence that cradles it. Every breath, every longing, every thought… held. Not chased. Not judged. Just met…
You mentioned craving and expectation. Perhaps that’s the ego reaching for the changing, the light and the shadow, the thought and the deed…believing that by following their paths, it might arrive at the source. But the source isn’t reached through what comes from it. It simply is. This is what we forget… and what we might remember. Not through effort, not through will, but through quiet recognition. Ego, Yin, Yang… playing, and now and again, pausing to remember they are held.
The Zen tradition speaks of the turning point of the breath, the moment where the inhale hangs weightless before becoming the exhale. That subtle transition isn’t the breath itself, but the awareness resting in it. And in that resting, the nature of mind beyond perception can be glimpsed.
So perhaps the invitation isn’t to let go of the self, but to rest in the space where the self is quietly held. Not erased. Not corrected. Simply met. And in that meeting, something tender unfolds… not as a task, but as a return. A return not to what was, but to what always is. The breath turns. The veil thins. And in the stillness between, we are home…
AUM rests held in the arms of what always is… You are not outside the embrace, Anita… Your are, we are that.
October 28, 2025 at 2:41 pm #451327
PeterParticipantDear Anita,
You ask how it feels… I wonder what is “feeling” when there is no “I” to feel?So I pause, because the space I speak of isn’t felt in the usual way. It isn’t measured in minutes or held in sensation. It doesn’t soothe the body like a calming substance might, nor does it silence the storm. It is not the embrace that calms the nervous system, but the one that holds even the un-calmed. Not the silence that erases pain, but the silence that listens to it without needing to fix it. A embrace that is both nowhere and everywhere, both felt and unfelt, both known and unknowable.
Perhaps the embrace isn’t something we feel into the body, but something that gently holds the body, even when it cannot feel being held. That, too, is part of the mystery. Maybe this embrace isn’t something we arrive at, but something we remember. Not with the mind, but with something deeper, older, quieter. A kind of contemplative remembering, not of a moment past, but of a truth that’s always present.
I recall a story Richard Rohr shared, about looking into his dog’s eyes… he describes how gazing into her eyes helped him experience the divine presence in all living beings. At first, I didn’t understand why he included the story in a book about spiritual transformation. But the image stayed with me as a something I “knew” but couldn’t name… A memory arises of a sad young boy returning from school, sitting with the family dog Duke, in silence, and feeling held… I wonder if Rohr included the story as it was a moment of experiencing the embrace I speak of. Not through dramatic insight or relief, but through presence. A quiet recognition. A softening. No words, no measure, just being met.
So, if you cannot feel it, Anita, know this: you are not outside the embrace. You are already within it and always have and will be.
You said the warm embrace caught your eye… what if you leaned into it… A invitation to feel the embrace in ways you may not yet have imagined. In the eyes of a dog. In the hush before a thought. In the way a tree stands without needing to be seen. In the breath that comes unbidden. In the silence that holds even the ache.
October 28, 2025 at 7:29 am #451307
PeterParticipantHi everyone – Before the Dance: A dialogue on silence, source, and the question that dissolves
Anita: In the original post, James wrote: “Spirituality is the complete death of the self, therefore your experiences, beliefs, ideas, and everything you ‘think’ you are.” And you ask – Is it also the complete death of your beautiful thoughts about Love and Radical Acceptance..?
As I sat with your question, Anita, I found myself not answering, but contemplating. I turned toward the dance of Yin and Yang… and in that turning, the question dissolved. Held in silence and stillness, nothing was lost. I wondered: Could that be a answer?
Contemplation on Yin and Yang
Yin and Yang flow in and out of each other – ceaselessly, seamlessly.
Their dance gives rise to all movement, all contrast, all becoming.
Yet we rarely notice the canvas upon which their play unfolds:
The stillness that allows motion,
The silence from which sound arises.It is easy to chase the changing, the light and dark, the thought and deed…
Believing that by following their paths we might arrive at the source.
But the source is never reached through what comes from it.
It is already here, before the doing and the thinking,
The quiet canvas on which Yin and Yang paint their eternal circle.Anita, the question you ask arises from the interplay of Yin and Yang, the movement, the contrast, the becoming. James points not to the dance, but to the canvas: the silence and stillness from which Yin, Yang, and the question itself emerge and are tenderly held.
Imagine being held in a warm embrace where no words or measure is necessary.
The invitation is not to answer, but to remember… To remember that all is held in such embrace, always.
To rest in the source before the dance… and return… Where nothing is lost, and all is already known.October 21, 2025 at 10:16 am #451136
PeterParticipantThe valley spirt never dies.
Call it the mystery, the woman.The mystery, the Door of the Woman
is the root of earth and heaven.Forever this endures, forever.
and all its uses are easy – Tao Te ChingA Breath held in the Stillness
In the hush before the breath, where no wind stirs, no word is said,
the valley waits, void not empty, full of becoming.From silence, the question rises, a cry from morning earth.
No answer comes, only quiet spinning in stillness.The seeker kneels, aching for comfort, but finds only the hush.
Until the hush becomes the comfort, questions held, the ache resolves.Nothing is born here, yet all things arise.
Nothing dies here, yet all things return.Held in the stillness, the world turns without effort.
Held in the silence, the heart remembers its source.Forever this endures. Forever it flows.
And all its uses are easy. -
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