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  • #448158
    Peter
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    A story I’ve been working on over the last few days

    The Boundary and the Boundlessness

    In a quiet valley nestled between two mountains, there lived an old gardener named Zahir who tended two gardens.
    The first garden was enclosed by a low stone wall. Inside, herbs and vegetables grew in neat rows. Zahir watered them daily, pulled weeds, and spoke to each plant by name. He knew which ones needed shade, which ones needed space, and which ones thrived with a little neglect. Visitors often came to admire the order and health of this garden.

    The second garden lay beyond the wall, wild and boundless. Flowers bloomed in unexpected places, vines curled around ancient trees, and the wind carried seeds from faraway lands. Zahir never planted here. He only walked, listened, and sometimes sat for hours beneath the sky. Few visited this garden, for it had no path, no gate, and no map.

    Sometimes, the mist would settle over the gardens like a veil, softening every edge. And sometimes, when Zahir sat still enough, he could feel the pulse of the earth beneath him like a heartbeat, slow and steady, reminding him that life moved even when nothing seemed to change.

    One day, a young traveler named Layla arrived. She had heard of Zahir’s wisdom and asked to learn the secret of compassion.

    Zahir smiled and handed her two seeds. “Plant one in the walled garden,” he said, “and one in the wild.”

    Layla did as she was told. The seed in the walled garden grew strong and straight, nourished by care and protected from harm. The seed in the wild garden grew crooked and luminous, touched by moonlight and mystery.

    After many seasons, Layla returned, confused.

    “Master Zahir,” she said, “the first seed grew because I tended it. The second grew without me. One needed boundaries, the other needed freedom. Which is compassion?”

    Zahir looked at her gently. “Both,” he said. “Compassion is the gardener, not the garden. It knows when to build walls and when to walk beyond them. It speaks the language of care in many dialects.”

    Layla frowned. “But the wild garden has no rules. Doesn’t compassion dissolve boundaries?”

    Zahir picked up a fallen leaf and held it to the light. “This leaf,” he said, “was once part of a tree. It fell, not because the tree rejected it, but because the wind called it elsewhere. Boundaries are not prisons. They are invitations to know where you begin, so you may know where you end… and then forget both.”

    Layla sat in silence, watching the wind stir both gardens.

    And in that silence, she understood: Compassion is not the absence of boundaries, nor the presence of them, this not a contradiction, only different petals of the same flower.

    Zahir smiled, “It is the gardener who listens to the seed, not the wind of old words that tries to shape its bloom.”

    She pondered this, and three voices rose beneath the Silence.

    The first came as a breeze brushing the soil, asking gently, “Which seed will rise, and which will sleep?” And the soil did not answer. It only held.

    The second shimmered like mist over the wild garden, whispering, “Do not seek to name the dance. Just feel its rhythm.” And the mist did not explain. It only embraced.

    The third pulsed like a heartbeat beneath her ribs, murmuring, “The path is chosen before the mind draws its map.” And the heart did not argue. It only opened.

    #448157
    Peter
    Participant

    Anita – “Insight finally becoming embodiment” – I really like that

    Alessa – A definition of grace has having courage, resonates as a truth. In recent conversations, I’ve noticed how compassion is experienced in many ways. For some, it is the gentle firmness of self-care and boundaries. For others as a dissolving of separation and the recognition of unity. Yet I don’t feel that as a contradiction, and that both can be true in the very same movement.

    Here I think mind and language struggles as it wants to define, to separate, to measure. But compassion lives in the spaces between words, in the silence that holds both the boundary and the boundlessness. And as you note that takes courage that is also grace. A trust that truth can be felt even when it cannot be fully said.

    #448101
    Peter
    Participant

    Thank Anita

    The work your doing has been a helpful mirror.

    #448099
    Peter
    Participant

    Hi Anita

    This is a amazing realization, and if your like me the challenge becomes how to turn insight into being. A question as you know I’ve asked myself, what if we live what we say we believed/know

    These words I feel as a Truth: “When people have been harmed by those who were supposed to be safe, gentleness starts to resemble danger: a calm tone might mask manipulation, kindness may turn cruel at any time, vulnerability might lead to punishment. And so, grace—the quiet, unconditional offering of love or presence—can feel suspect. The nervous system doesn’t trust it yet.”

    I feel the task here isn’t a perfect answer or solution that settles things once and for all but to be aware and the tension such a realization creates. Maybe when we sit in that tension we might become better able to respond when its triggered and not react. And of course offer ourselves and others grace when we stumble.

    And these words resonate: “Pride resists surrender. Fear resists trust. Control resists vulnerability. Grace asks us to lay those down, even momentarily. But even momentarily, laying down these defenses can feel disorienting, like standing unarmored in the middle of a battlefield and hoping not to be struck”.

    That feeling of disorientation, especially when feeling unseen and misunderstood, I know it well.

    Yet I’ve come to know that disorientation is a window to possibility of learning! For reasons beyond my comprehension, like Paul’s thorn, is it though holding tension that we grow not so much in answered questions. Tension the fertilizer of growth, as every butterfly knows.

    Where might grace be waiting to be trusted?

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    Exploring the Sufi way this is a attempt to create a story from the above

    A seeker came to a Mirror, burdened by the ache of being misunderstood and unseen.

    “I have insight,” the seeker said, “but I do not know how to become it.”

    The Mirror nodded and handed the seeker two things: a thorn and a cocoon.
    “Carry these,” the Mirror said, “and walk.”

    The seeker walked for many days. The thorn pricked with every step while the cocoon remained silent.
    One day, the seeker sat beneath a fig tree and cried out, “Why must I carry pain to grow? Why must I feel disoriented when I try to trust?”

    The fig tree whispered, “When gentleness has once been danger, even grace feels like a trap.”

    The thorn pulsed in the seeker’s hand. The cocoon trembled.
    And then, a butterfly emerged, the cocoon breaking open create from the tension between the thorn and the question.

    A voice beneath the Silence spoke “You asked how to become your insight,”
    “You are invited to sit in the tension, not solve it.
    You are invited to feel the disorientation, not flee it.
    You are invited to offer and receive grace, even when your pride resists, your fear recoils, and your control clings.”

    “But it hurts,” said the seeker.

    “Yes,” said the voice beneath the Silence. “And yet, every butterfly knows: tension is the air of flight.”

    #448087
    Peter
    Participant

    Synchronicity reading this mornings CAC meditation on ‘Torn as a Gift’ I would add a third voice

    The CAC Reflection: The Thorn and the Mercy
    Paul begged for his thorn to be removed.
    God said no.
    “My grace is sufficient for you.”
    The thorn remained.
    So did the mercy.
    So did the love.
    And Paul learned to give thanks for the thorn.

    Sitting in the tension of the questions I wonder…
    Can we sit with discomfort long enough to see what it reveals?
    Can we search in the dark even if it scares us?
    Can we stop searching for perfect and start cooperating with grace?

    #448085
    Peter
    Participant

    I have been exploring the Sufi way of using story to dissolve illusion with the warmth of metaphor and contrast that with Zen koan to ‘jolt’ the mind into silence.

    Ways of Seeing

    The Koan: The Two Mirrors (my attempt at a koan)
    A student asked the master,
    “Two mirrors face each other. What do they see?”
    The master replied,
    “When the wind moves the curtain, they forget to reflect.”
    The student said,
    “Then what remains?”
    The master smiled,
    “The dust dances, and the room breathes.”
    ________________________________________

    The Sufi Story: Nasrudin and the Lost Key
    Nasrudin was on his hands and knees under a streetlamp.
    A passerby asked, “What are you doing?”
    “I’m looking for my key,” Nasrudin replied.
    “Where did you lose it?”
    “Inside the house.”
    “Then why are you looking out here?”
    “Because the light is better here.”
    ________________________________________

    Between paradox and parable, a space opens and illusion of separation fades.
    Life not to solve, but to sit with. Not to answer, but to ask again.
    Where am I looking?
    What am I seeing?
    And what might be waiting in the quiet between reflections?

    #448084
    Peter
    Participant

    Sometimes, in the midst of heartfelt exchange, we become mirrors reflecting not just each other, but our own stories, our own wounds. And when the light shifts, even slightly, we might glimpse something more: the space between us. Not empty, but alive. A place where understanding doesn’t demand agreement, and compassion doesn’t erase boundaries.

    In that light I would add to my reflection on conversation.

    Two mirrors hung across from one another in a quiet room.
    Each reflecting a truth not fully seen, as the light in the room kept shifting.
    Each mirror only saw the flicker of its own reflection in the other.

    One day, a breeze moved the curtain, and for a moment, the light fell just right.
    The mirrors no longer saw themselves but the space between them.

    In that space, they saw not glass or silver backing, but the quiet breath of the room itself.
    Dust motes dancing like forgotten memories, the hush of time suspended between them.
    They saw the absence of themselves, and in that absence, a presence of possibility… a truth un-reflected.

    Tension, like the breeze, not disruption, was invitation.
    It stirred the stillness, unsettled the dust, and asked the mirrors to see not just what is, but what could be.

    In discomfort, something shifted. Not always gracefully, not always gently, but necessarily.
    For it is in the friction between reflections that clarity is born and the mirror polished.
    Not the clarity of agreement, but of understanding.
    Not the comfort of sameness, but the courage to witness difference without retreat.

    Curiosity asked them to listen not just to echoes, but to the quiet between them.
    To read not just the image, but the intention behind it.
    To remember that across from each mirror was not just another surface, but a presence.
    Complex. Flawed. Yearning to be seen.

    And for that brief moment, they did not reflect.
    They witnessed.

    #448075
    Peter
    Participant

    “There are two ways of spreading light: to be the candle or the mirror that reflects it. “ – Edith Wharton

    Two mirrors hung across from one another in a quiet room.
    Each reflecting a truth not fully seen, as the light in the room kept shifting.
    Each mirror only saw the flicker of its own reflection in the other.

    One day, a breeze moved the curtain, and for a moment, the light fell just right.
    The mirrors no longer saw themselves but the space between them.

    In that space, they saw not glass or silver backing, but the quiet breath of the room itself.
    Dust motes dancing like forgotten memories, the hush of time suspended between them.

    They saw the absence of themselves, and in that absence, a presence of possibility, a truth un-reflected.
    In this space they did not echo, but witnessed.

    #447837
    Peter
    Participant

    Hi Everyone

    On the question of shame, I’ve found L.B. Smedes book ‘Shame and Grace’ one of the best I read on the subject. He emphasizes that much of our shame is undeserved, arising not from true moral failings but from internalized judgments, social conditioning, and the illusion of separation.

    Shame not just a product of society or human nature, but a complex interplay of both. I wonder if a path to healing might begin by dissolving the boundary. Applying the metaphor of the blank canvas, not a Chicken or the egg, but chicken and the egg, both brush strokes on the Canvas.

    I’ve been reading up on Sufism and they might speak of shame as something woven into the fabric of being human. ‘The heart must be polished until it reflects only the Beloved’. But the dust on the mirror, that too is part of the path. Even Shame, deserved and undeserved and ancient, can become a polish.

    In Buddhism, we are taught that suffering arises from clinging to identity, to judgment, to the illusion of separation. But when we sit with what is, without pushing it away or pulling it close, we begin to see shame is not a flaw in us, but a misunderstanding in the world.

    Let us hold our stories lightly, and each other gently. Not to erase the shame, but to see through it to the light that was never lost.

    #447836
    Peter
    Participant

    Hi Everyone

    Have I ever felt Eden, even as a memory? I don’t remember 🙂 I suspect the notion of Eden was too entangled in the language I inherited and have had to untangle. Yet when you brought up Eden, I felt its echo and ran with it.

    I like the thought of the feeling of Eden as rhythm of presence we sometimes brush against when we’re open, quiet, and not clinging too tightly to our constructs.

    I like to imagine all those now and across time who are or have followed the impulse to see though the illusion of separation, each in their own ways. The feeling of shared longing and resonance on a quiet discovery of connection.

    Perhaps that is a kind of feeling of Eden. A moment of deep stillness between people, a breath that feels like it belongs to the whole world. A child’s cry turned to laughter leaving a silence that doesn’t need to be filled.

    #447808
    Peter
    Participant

    Radical acceptance of who we are, a reclaiming of Eden. I wonder, is Eden a destination or rhythm of a breath brushing its edge?

    This morning I feel a desire to return to Eden as escape but flaming swords block the way marking the boundary between innocence and a world of words. The cost of consciousness, the turbulence of shame and guilt deserved and undeserved. We cannot go back as we are but perhaps if transformed, purified by the swords flame.

    #447794
    Peter
    Participant

    Thanks Anita
    There are moments when language bows and steps aside, when the most generous thing a voice can do is echo the stillness.

    #447768
    Peter
    Participant

    Last night I reflected on being surprised that Camus came to mind as I tried to engage in the questions asked and that the confusion I felt was similar to what I feel when engaged in conversation with family members on the topic of God.

    My family would be troubled with the association of the word ‘absurd’ and the word God. Than it occurred to me that in conversation we were using the word God differently. My family relates to a personal God while I relate to a non-personal G_d. With that in mind I would rewrite what I posted about Camus:

    Albert Camus famously rejected the “leap” the turn to a personal God or transcendent meaning as a response to the absurd. For Camus, the absurd arises from the tension between our deep longing for meaning and the universe’s indifferent silence. To leap toward a personal God, one who explains, redeems, or consoles, is to escape this tension. Camus called this philosophical suicide: a refusal to face the absurd honestly.

    This notion of a personal God was the one I was the taught which I internalized as God as a Father who would make everything better, all I had to do was trust, follow the rules.. and above all avoid a feeling that such a God could only be a puppet master at best, a monster at worse. In the end I was not able to hold that tension or the mental gymnastics to justify such a relationship. Here I enter my ‘dark night’ of the soul.

    Rejecting the personal God as Camus suggests, I feel clears a space for a different kind of relationship. Not a being who ‘watches’ over us but Being itself. Not a voice that answers, but a presence that holds. This is the realm of the non-personal G_d, the canvas beneath the painting, the silence beneath the story, the ground of being that doesn’t resolve the absurd but embraces it.

    In this light, Camus’s refusal becomes a kind of spiritual integrity. He doesn’t leap, but he also doesn’t turn away. He stays with the tension. And in doing so, he points, perhaps unknowingly, toward a sacredness that doesn’t require belief, only presence.

    Here the words of a ‘we must lose God to find G_d’ come to mind.

    In this non-dual space, theologies of law and language begin to fade. What rises in their place is compassion, not as a commandment, but as a natural expression of being. In that compassion, “law” is not imposed but embodied. It is not followed out of fear or duty but lived from a place of deep remembering.

    The absurd remains. This kind of G_d doesn’t answer the cry for meaning with a tidy explanation. Instead, it holds the questions not as a problem to be solved, but as a mystery to be lived. The world is still what it is: beautiful, brutal, unresolved. But in refusing to escape it, we may find ourselves more deeply in it. And in that, something softens. Not because the world has changed, but because we have.

    Paradoxically, the refusal to leap has helped me see that the path of the leap is also valid. What I once saw as escape, I now recognize as another form of devotion. All wisdom traditions whether they speak of a personal God, an impersonal ground, or no God at all are trying to name the unnameable, to touch the mystery, and that is so very human.

    Each path, in its own way, invites us to hold the tension.
    Each path, in its own way, returns to the canvas – the shore beyond.
    Every path, in its own way, pathless.

    Gate gate pāragate pārasaṃgate bodhi svāhā
    Into the gone, into the gone, into the gone beyond, into the gone completely beyond the other shore, awaken.
    Into the gone, into the gone, into the gone beyond, into the gone completely beyond the other shore, return.

    #447741
    Peter
    Participant

    I think I may have confused things and given the impression that the non-dual (transcendent) experience somehow resolves things. That it fixes the messiness of life. But that’s not quite it.

    For me, those moments of non-dual awareness are rare, often fleeting, sometimes just a breath. They don’t erase the complexity, the frustration, the beauty, or the pain of the world. The world, as I, remains what it is: wondrous, horrific, lonely, alive…. Nothing “changes”, and yet, something does.

    In those moments, I felt a deep sense of connection, like touching the web of life itself. And their is a profound compassion that arises not just for others, but for everything, including myself. And yes, I can’t stop myself from trying to name it or hold onto it so it slips away. Still a something lingers.

    What lingers isn’t a solution, but a softening. My stories become lighter. The grip of identity, judgment, and striving loosens just a little. I’m still the same world, but I’m not carrying it quite the same way.

    So it’s not about escaping or resolving… but remembering. And that remembering, even if brief, changes how I move through the world.

    #447728
    Peter
    Participant

    Just a note: the serenity prayer is always good advice. One can hold the tension and take that advice but the the tension remains as it was and is.

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