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PeterParticipantAnita – Yes đ
PeterParticipantHi Everyone – I think I’ll leave the conversation on flow’s rise and fall here, with this Christmas blessing:
Winterâs Grace
Trusting the Light WithinThe pathless path lies silent,
Not yours to claim or trace.
The choiceless choice is given,
A grace that leaves no trace.Virgin birth within the spirit
A dawn no shadow can bind.
As Earth in winter slumbers,
Let your hidden light unwind.Become the glass unclouded,
The mirror without a face.
Eyes that truly open,
Ears that deeply embrace.Not seeking, yet surrender,
No grasp, no guarded view
Transparent to transcendence,
The Way is finding you.
PeterParticipantAnita… even ânot tryingâ is still a kind of trying… I donât have an answer in words. Tao, Flow, Presence â these arenât an understanding of the mind, but a knowing of the heart.
PeterParticipantTo simplify: I may forget or remember, but I’m learning to trust compassion as the deeper Truth that keeps shaping us. For me, Unfolding Presence is becoming a kind of faith without doctrine, creating space were compassion reveals whatâs ‘True‘ and free us from beliefs can trap us in pain.
PeterParticipantAnita, I hear how strongly your motherâs old message still echoes, pulling you back into âshe was good, so I must be bad.â And yet I also see the courage in your wondering: what if my goodness doesnât depend on her at all?
I realize my language around Flow may have been confusing. Youâve described it as spontaneity, like a river moving moment to moment. What Iâve been pointing toward is Flow as arising and return â remembering and forgetting â while trusting that the truths weâve realized keep shaping us even when we donât hold them tightly.
Still, as the story of Shang Qiukai reminds us, we can sincerely believe something that isnât true, like âmy goodness depends on mother.â Thatâs why I lean into compassion as a Truth as it reveals whether a belief is true or not. If a belief traps us in pain, compassion shows us it cannot be the deeper truth.
To be candid, I find your question both confusing and challenging, because the word âgoodnessâ doesnât resonate with me. What does connect is the deeper sense of being enough, a wound that feels almost primal. Thatâs where Flow or Presence feels most alive for me: not in defining goodness, but in learning to trust that even when I forget, the truth of being enough keeps working quietly within.
PeterParticipantAnita, if Iâm hearing you correctly, ‘Flow’ takes shape for you right now through repetition and reâevaluation, making sure realizations stay present in your awareness. That is what helps you move forward.
For me, with a shared anxiety of forgetting, Iâm experimenting with something different, resting in a realization and trusting it without needing to revisit it. I hear this isnât where you are at the moment, and thatâs perfectly okay.
I wonder if I should use a different word than Flow to describe it. Maybe Unfolding or Presence fits better?
What I hold for you, and for myself, is the possibility that, in time, the realizations weâve touched, especially the sense of being enough, might feel so steady and trusted that they simply live in us without effort. Not as something to chase or reinforce, but as a quiet Truth that carries and shapes us.
Perhaps part of the journey is learning how to live with the fear of forgetting and finding ways to let truth stay alive without needing to grasp it so tightly. And Flow, whatever word we use for it, is a something being discovered, each in our own rhythm, connected in the movement toward living more freely.
PeterParticipantOn the topic of Spirituality. For me going forward, I’ll give Richard Wagamese (Embers) the last word.
Richard: What’s the best way to learn to be spiritual?
Grandmother: Pack light.
Richard: What do you mean?
Grandmother: Carry only what you need for the journey. Don’t tire yourself out with unnecessary stuff.
Richard: Like what?
Grandmother: Like your head. Like your talk. Spirituality isn’t found in your head. It isn’t found in big, important-sounding words or long speeches. It’s found in silence. If you travel with your heart (stillness) and your quiet, you’ll find the way to spiritual.I might also add that Packing light means trusting your path without needing others to say âyes, youâre rightâ or walk it with you.
PeterParticipantAnita, no need for apologies. I really appreciate your reflections and how you connect them to your lived experience. What strikes me, though, is that sometimes the analysis seems to keep you-us circling in the past rather than moving forward. I recognize that may be a projection of a pattern I notice in myself.
Something Iâve been working on is learning to trust the realizations that come and creating space for them to shape me… a step I see missing in some of my older posts. Itâs not easy, because the pull of old patterns and familiar thoughts is strong, especially with my tendency to overthink. Yet Iâm learning that when I lean into one insight and live from it, even briefly, it opens up space for movement and flow.
I wonder what it might feel like for you to pick one of your own realization, maybe about goodness, or about love arising when we stop forcing, and simply rest in it, trusting it as truth that doesnât need reinforcing with analysis or justification. Perhaps that could be a way to step into the freedom you already glimpse.
This, to me, is how I imagine Flow.. much like the Tao, moving not by effort but by trust in what already is.
PeterParticipantHi Alessa,
I really enjoyed reading your reflections on the Shang Qiukai story. The way you pulled out those Daoist themes got me thinking about the figure of the Holy Fool and that call to âbe like children.â Thereâs a kind of sincerity that comes not from wisdom but from innocence and openness that isnât weighed down by calculation or fear. Shang Qiukaiâs accidental mastery feels a lot like that childlike trust, where desperation stripped everything away except pure sincerity.
At the same time, the Confucian critique you highlighted raises an important tension: lasting moral power must rest on knowledge and discernment, not merely on desperation or ignorance. This begs the question of how one might remain sincerely innocent while also wise.
My thought is that when belief matures into trust, when one no longer merely believes but knows their truth… there is a risk of self-deception. Yet the litmus test, I think, is compassion. If sincerity arises from compassion, it is not foolishness but authentic truth. And if wisdom is guided by compassion, it avoids becoming rigid or calculating.
So perhaps innocence and wisdom arenât opposites at all. Innocence keeps us open, wisdom keeps us grounded, and compassion ties the two together. In that balance, sincerity becomes both childlike and enduring, something that feels authentic and ethically sound at the same time.
Copilot broke it down as a Paradox of Innocence and Wisdom
Trust vs. Belief:
– Innocence trusts without needing proof;
– wisdom knows through discernment.
Compassion bridges the two.
– Innocence without compassion risks naivety or harm.
– Wisdom without compassion risks cold calculation.Compassion ensures sincerity remains pure while wisdom remains humane.
– The Foolâs Path: Acts sincerely, but risks instability.
– The Sageâs Path: Acts wisely, but risks losing spontaneity.
The Compassionate Path: Integrates both: innocence preserved through openness, wisdom grounded in ethical clarity.
– If sincerity arises from compassion, it is not mere foolishness.
– If wisdom is guided by compassion, it avoids rigidity.Thus, compassion allows one to âfool themselvesâ into innocence while remaining truly wise. đ
On the topic of flow, Iâve found that leaning into that trust or faith, without the weight of doctrine, creates a kind of openness where compassion naturally arises and illuminates the path ahead. In that space, flow isnât about effort or control, but about allowing sincerity and compassion to guide each step.
PeterParticipantThanks for the kind words, Tee, Alessa, and Roberta.
Tee, I love your connection to the idea of âas above, so below.âI really appreciate the seeds James and Thomas offer us, and the space they create for us to explore them.
PeterParticipantI noticed my last few posts drifted into the more abstract (as I tend to do), and Iâd like to bring things back to something more grounded and lived.
Anita, you donât need to practice Tao as if itâs something outside you. Youâre already in it, and your compassion shines through in the way you do your best to be of service to others. Thatâs Tao moving through you, and its already wondrous .
What helped me wasnât a practice or trying to embody anything, but trusting the truths that showed up in my life. Trusting the realizations that never seemed to âworkâ when I tried to make them work. Trusting that I didnât need to force them or believe them into being. They unfolded on their own when I stopped trying to manage the process. A kind of faith, I guess, only without doctrine.
For me, I noticed a shift when I stopped saying âI believeâ and started saying âI know”… The other day someone asked if I believed in the virgin birth, and before I could think my way into an answer, I felt one rise up: I knew. Not as a historical claim or a theological argument, but as a pattern of reality Iâve witnessed in my own life. A âvirgin birthâ was what happens whenever something new emerges without my effort, without my striving, without my fingerprints all over it. Itâs the moment when I stop forcing and something unexpected, undeserved, and quietly luminous appears. Itâs the wrapped gift under the tree, something I didnât earn, didnât orchestrate, didnât even know to ask for.
Itâs the possibility that arrives unannounced, the insight that wasnât wrestled into existence, the grace that shows up before Iâve proven myself worthy of it. Itâs the way life keeps offering beginnings that donât depend on my mastery, only on my openness.
Even in my writing, Iâve noticed that when I stop trying to make things happen, thoughts come together on their own. Sometimes they surprise me. It feels like something new can arise without effort, a kind of inner âbirthâ that happens when Iâm not forcing anything. Thatâs helped me trust whatâs already true in me.
The intention of the post was simplicity but this is what emerged đ
PeterParticipantHi Anita
I loved the parables. It always amazes me when something simple opens a doorway beyond the words, revealing something quieter underneath.If you look back at my earliest post here years ago, you might wonder at the amount of time… Part of it, I think, is that the self quietly turned âletting goâ into another practice to accomplish. Even âembodyingâ can become that, canât it? Another thing to do, another way to try to get it right. What Iâm seeing now is that the moment I try to embody, Iâm already back in the old pattern, the self managing, adjusting, striving.
I use the word embodiment, but I have to hold it lightly, as neither noun nor verb â more like a softening into whatâs already here. Not a technique, not a project, not a spiritual skill to master. Maybe thatâs why I kept circling. I was trying to practice what only reveals itself when the practicing stops. Still I only catch glimpses, out of the corner of my eye, for a breath or two.
As this softened, a reflection surfaced â a kind of echo:
The Way is and is not, yet from it all arise and return.
No path can reach the Path that is pathless.
Embodied, the path dissolves â the Tao present.When the river is blocked, we carve channels called virtue. When the sky is hidden, we light lanterns called wisdom.
But the river was flowing before the channels, and the sky was shining before the lanterns.
Return to the source, and the lanterns are no longer needed.We are born upon a path, and that too is Tao. Each step a seeking, each turn a question.
Yet as long as we walk, Tao seems hidden. The horizon recedes, the seeker remains restless.The path is not the source, yet the path is not meaningless.
It is a shadow pointing toward the light, a rhythm leading to silence.
When the path dissolves, the illusion of separation fades, and what was sought is revealed as always present.When the path dissolves, the shore appears. Looking back, the way we walked is illumined.
The self whispers, âI arrived by way of the path,â – even though the river does not arrive â it flows.So, Tao pulls us back, again and again, until remembering becomes forgetting, and forgetting becomes remembering.
In that ebb and return, the Beloved smiles. The pathless path is walked, and the walker dissolves into the Way.
PeterParticipantThanks for the story Alessa I haven’t heard it before
I noticed a part of me reading Shang Qiukaiâs story as if it hinted at magic or manifestation. But what stayed with me was how little he was trying to do anything at all. His actions were whole because he wasnât divided. When doubt appeared, the effect vanished. It reminded me that embodiment isnât about belief exerting power, itâs the ease that comes when the one trying to manage outcomes falls away. And in those moments, Iâve noticed that compassion doesnât need to be summoned; it rises on its own, and action follows from that quiet, natural clarity.
Confuciusâ words linger here too: how about if other and self are both truthful â take note of this. (I read that as transparent to the transcendent)
PeterParticipantHi Anita: I think you capture it nicely – now the question how do we move beyond the words?
What follows is todayâs journal entry.
For a long time now, Iâve noticed myself circling the same inner terrain, returning to familiar thoughts, trying to name something I sensed but couldnât quite articulate. Recently, these lines surfaced:
The Way is and is not, yet from it, all arise and return.
No path can reach the Path that is pathless…
Embodied, the path dissolves, the Tao… Presence.This morning, something softened. A small shift, quiet, almost imperceptible, opened between the words letting go and embodiment. I saw how the former, for me, had quietly become a subtle form of striving and control.
There are moments on the path when a single word reveals the hidden architecture of our inner life. Today, while reading a CAC reflection on the dark night of the soul, such a moment arrived.
The dark night often comes first as loss. It feels as though something essential has slipped away: meaning, joy, certainty, the familiar sense of God. From within the experience, it is loss. It empties us. It unravels us. It asks us to walk without the lights we once trusted.
Yet as the night deepens, another truth begins to shimmer at the edges. What felt like loss reveals itself as the falling away of what could never truly hold us. The dark night appears as loss, but its essence is not loss at all.
We often speak of letting go in such seasons. The phrase feels gentle, almost compassionate⌠a soft surrender, a loosening of the grip. But even here, a subtle effort remains. A quiet belief that I am the one releasing, that surrender is something I must accomplish.
And so I found myself returning again and again to that night, until another movement appeared: embodiment.
Embodiment is not loss, and not letting go. It is the quiet dissolving of the one who believed there was something to lose. Here, nothing is taken. Nothing is released. Nothing is managed or performed. Belief no longer required, dissolves into something… Free.
What remains is presence, unforced, unguarded, whole.
The dark night may begin as loss and pass through the language of letting go, but embodiment is the gentle undoing of the one who thought anything needed to be surrendered. And in that undoing, a deeper presence emerges, simple, grounded, embodied.
PeterParticipantA woman approached the Buddha and confessed: âI donât know how to practice, how to be spiritual.â
The Buddha asked gently: âIs there anyone you love?â
She replied: âYes, my newborn child.â
The Buddha said: âThen start there. Care for him with mindfulness, with compassion. Let that love be your practice.âSometimes I have the sense that âspiritualityâ has become too rigid a word.
Spirituality is not a mountain to climb, nor a word to master. It is the quiet reflection that opens us to mystery, and the tender hand that pours love into the ordinary. Begin where your heart already leans, in the care you give, in the breath you notice, in the childâs laughter that needs no name. There, the Way is alive. There, the Beloved is already waiting.
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