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ParticipantLast night I reflected on being surprised that Camus came to mind as I tried to engage in the questions asked and that the confusion I felt was similar to what I feel when engaged in conversation with family members on the topic of God.
My family would be troubled with the association of the word ‘absurd’ and the word God. Than it occurred to me that in conversation we were using the word God differently. My family relates to a personal God while I relate to a non-personal G_d. With that in mind I would rewrite what I posted about Camus:
Albert Camus famously rejected the “leap” the turn to a personal God or transcendent meaning as a response to the absurd. For Camus, the absurd arises from the tension between our deep longing for meaning and the universe’s indifferent silence. To leap toward a personal God, one who explains, redeems, or consoles, is to escape this tension. Camus called this philosophical suicide: a refusal to face the absurd honestly.
This notion of a personal God was the one I was the taught which I internalized as God as a Father who would make everything better, all I had to do was trust, follow the rules.. and above all avoid a feeling that such a God could only be a puppet master at best, a monster at worse. In the end I was not able to hold that tension or the mental gymnastics to justify such a relationship. Here I enter my ‘dark night’ of the soul.
Rejecting the personal God as Camus suggests, I feel clears a space for a different kind of relationship. Not a being who ‘watches’ over us but Being itself. Not a voice that answers, but a presence that holds. This is the realm of the non-personal G_d, the canvas beneath the painting, the silence beneath the story, the ground of being that doesn’t resolve the absurd but embraces it.
In this light, Camus’s refusal becomes a kind of spiritual integrity. He doesn’t leap, but he also doesn’t turn away. He stays with the tension. And in doing so, he points, perhaps unknowingly, toward a sacredness that doesn’t require belief, only presence.
Here the words of a ‘we must lose God to find G_d’ come to mind.
In this non-dual space, theologies of law and language begin to fade. What rises in their place is compassion, not as a commandment, but as a natural expression of being. In that compassion, “law” is not imposed but embodied. It is not followed out of fear or duty but lived from a place of deep remembering.
The absurd remains. This kind of G_d doesn’t answer the cry for meaning with a tidy explanation. Instead, it holds the questions not as a problem to be solved, but as a mystery to be lived. The world is still what it is: beautiful, brutal, unresolved. But in refusing to escape it, we may find ourselves more deeply in it. And in that, something softens. Not because the world has changed, but because we have.
Paradoxically, the refusal to leap has helped me see that the path of the leap is also valid. What I once saw as escape, I now recognize as another form of devotion. All wisdom traditions whether they speak of a personal God, an impersonal ground, or no God at all are trying to name the unnameable, to touch the mystery, and that is so very human.
Each path, in its own way, invites us to hold the tension.
Each path, in its own way, returns to the canvas – the shore beyond.
Every path, in its own way, pathless.
Gate gate pāragate pārasaṃgate bodhi svāhā
Into the gone, into the gone, into the gone beyond, into the gone completely beyond the other shore, awaken.
Into the gone, into the gone, into the gone beyond, into the gone completely beyond the other shore, return.Peter
ParticipantI think I may have confused things and given the impression that the non-dual (transcendent) experience somehow resolves things. That it fixes the messiness of life. But that’s not quite it.
For me, those moments of non-dual awareness are rare, often fleeting, sometimes just a breath. They don’t erase the complexity, the frustration, the beauty, or the pain of the world. The world, as I, remains what it is: wondrous, horrific, lonely, alive…. Nothing “changes”, and yet, something does.
In those moments, I felt a deep sense of connection, like touching the web of life itself. And their is a profound compassion that arises not just for others, but for everything, including myself. And yes, I can’t stop myself from trying to name it or hold onto it so it slips away. Still a something lingers.
What lingers isn’t a solution, but a softening. My stories become lighter. The grip of identity, judgment, and striving loosens just a little. I’m still the same world, but I’m not carrying it quite the same way.
So it’s not about escaping or resolving… but remembering. And that remembering, even if brief, changes how I move through the world.
Peter
ParticipantJust a note: the serenity prayer is always good advice. One can hold the tension and take that advice but the the tension remains as it was and is.
Peter
ParticipantHi Anita
I think I see where you’re coming from, but I meant something a little different. The reference to the Serenity Prayer “accept the things we cannot change, courage to change the things we can” frames the tension as something to either endure or overcome. I don’t feel its so much about changing or accepting, but about holding and being with the tension itself without trying to resolve it, or require a leap. Not as a problem to fix, but as a doorway to something deeper.
Camus refusing the leap, not because he’s passive, but because he’s choosing to stay with the rawness of the experience. That holding becomes a kind of clarity, even if it doesn’t offer answers. So maybe it’s less about resistance or surrender, and more about presence that allows us to soften our stories.
Peter
Participantcorrection – I might add a refusal to articulate it away, fix it with words.
Peter
ParticipantHi Anita
“If emotions are the brushstrokes, and the canvas is what holds it all—always there – Is the canvas like a steady, unchanging parent? A presence that doesn’t leave? A super-parent? A God?”I think the canvas can feel like a steady, unchanging parent or even like G_d but only when we’re viewing it through the lens of relationship. The temptation here might be to start thinking of the transcendent as a noun. In non-duality, though, the canvas isn’t other (or a noun). It’s not separate from the painting, or from us. It’s not watching over us; it is us, just as much as the brushstrokes are. In that sense, we are both being held and are the holder… that never leaves…
It’s hard to talk about as any attempt to describe it is already a step away from it…
Camus came to mind as the question implied that a leap to a “higher” meaning might be necessary. In The Myth of Sisyphus, Camus defines the absurd as the tension between our deep longing for meaning and the universe’s silence. His concept of “the leap” is the move toward religion or metaphysics to resolve that tension in order to escape the absurd by positing a higher order.
Camus refuses the leap. He insists on staying with the absurd, without appeal to transcendence. Yet in doing so, he’s still holding the tension, he’s not denying the longing, just refusing to resolve it or fix it. I might add a refusal to articulate it. In that way, even his refusal becomes a kind of reverence. It points beyond itself, not by escaping the absurd, escaping the tension, but by fully inhabiting it. Not a leap as we general understand the word leap yet could that be a experience of transcendence? Maybe…
Peter
ParticipantA comment on non-duality and its relationship to illusion.
Non-duality resists language because language itself is dualistic, built on distinctions, categories, and measurements. In the experience of non-duality, these dissolve and there is no subject and object, no observer and observed just being.
But the moment we try to describe it, we reintroduce separation. The words become a map, not the territory. And in that shift, the experience can feel like it vanishes as if it was never real, just an illusion. Not because it wasn’t true, but because truth in that state doesn’t leave residue. It doesn’t cling. It doesn’t explain itself.
So we’re left with the paradox: the impulse to speak of the non-dual ends the non-dual experience and yet, we speak anyway because something in us remembers.
Peter
ParticipantHi Anita
I’m hesitant to break into a stream of consciousness exercise but word ‘ILLUSION’ called out.The word illusion can feel so heavy, and sometimes used in ways that are maybe misleading. I agree it can sound like it’s saying our experiences, our longing, our grief, our joy aren’t real. But maybe it’s not that they’re unreal, just that the illusion is that such experiences are only part of the whole story and we don’t notice.?
From where we stand this moment in 2025 (a moment that contains within all imagined moments), in these fragile, feeling bodies separation is deeply real. We ache for connection, and yet often if it comes, as you note, it can be overwhelming. Too much. Too raw. And yet, that ache itself points to something: that we know, somewhere deep down, that everything is connected.
Maybe what non-duality asks of us isn’t to deny the pain of separation, but to hold it alongside the truth of unity. Life seems to be asking us to live in that tension – to feel the turbulent waves of emotion and still remember the ocean beneath it. To honor the heartbreak and the wholeness. Not to escape the human experience, but to see it as part of something larger, something already whole.
Put another way: The illusion isn’t that the painting isn’t real but that it forgets its on the canvas. Life asks us to hold the tension between the vivid brushstrokes of our experience and the quiet presence of the canvas beneath. If only so we remember, and in remembering just maybe our stories begin to soften.
Peter
ParticipantHI Anita
To your point “Your philosophical and poetic reflections could act as a shield, elegant and thoughtful, that sits between you and raw vulnerability.”As most such things it has been both and neither. Today I no longer view it at a shied if only because it hasn’t worked as one 🙂 If anything the reflections have increased my sense of isolation. My family would reject most of what I have written and not understood.
So the pondering has changed little of what is “painted” but has restored a relationship to the canvas… ( I sleep a little better and handle panic attracts a little better) The tension between remains and I can only try to hold the tension without seeing it as something broken. It is and I am That.“I’m having this image of a blank canvas full of dark colors, representing the ache and I’m nowhere to be found on it. The ache feels heavy, unbearable… until someone, with a few brushstrokes, paints me onto that canvas. What a relief: there I am. I didn’t know I was there.”
I have lived in that space waiting for someone to paint the brushstrokes… if only I could see myself… We live our lives reflecting and reflected the illusion of separation between the observer and the observed… But… What if the brush has always been in your hand? What if the ache isn’t a void, but a whisper reminding you that you are already on the canvas, even if the colors feel too dark to see?
I use too many words… I return to the riddle..
We are “bigger then big and smaller then small and we have it ALL” where in each breath, we can simultaneously feel expansive and grounded, infinite and finite, everything and nothing… avoiding the tension we tend to notice only the what is causing us grief or the one we wish to escape to. The observer the observed lost in the painting and forgetting the canvas and or running from both.
How often we get caught up in the details of life (the painting) and forget the underlying reality or awareness (the canvas) that holds it all. We are, I am That. The painting and the canvas. not as separate but one.
That is not comfort in the sense that we tend to seek comfort. Comfort as a release from pain, fear and uncertainty. It is the tension of ache Life asks us to hold. Maybe their is a kind of comfort in that… We may feel alone in our wonder and our pain, but were not when we remember.
Peter
ParticipantSynchronicity the Center Action and Contemplation daily mediation I think speaks on this. I don’t think they will mind me sharing
The Dazzling Darkness of Unknowing – Wednesday, July 16, 2025
Reflecting on the wisdom of the mystical traditions, theologian Douglas Christie writes of spiritual darkness:“In a dark time, the eye begins to see,” says Theodore Roethke. [1]… This brings us close to the heart of how Christian mystics have long understood the task of seeing, especially the seeing that becomes possible in darkness. Gregory of Nyssa refers to this as the “seeing that consists of not seeing.” [2] Dionysius the Areopagite speaks of the “brilliant darkness” that one enters “through not seeing and not knowing.” [3]… The contemplative gaze nourished in the night is open, receptive, and free. Darkness subverts the all-too-common inclination to determine (or overdetermine) reality to fit our own narrow understanding of things. It invites instead a way of seeing rooted in simplicity, humility, and awe….
Is this perhaps a kind of faith? Not simply a denial of faith or an assertion of faith’s impossibility, but a way of thinking about and struggling with the most difficult questions, especially those arising from fragility, pain, and absence?…. What emerges instead is an awareness that we must let them go and learn, as the author of The Cloud of Unknowing put it, to “rest in the darkness.” [4]
This sounds, perhaps, too simple. As if such rest can be found without difficulty, or that all the night asks of us is to let it surround us with its gentle, healing presence. There is little in our experience to suggest that this is so…. The experience of the night can be terrifying, bewildering, less a place to rest and heal than a dispiriting struggle with pain and absence. Still, there is also something about the enveloping darkness, its silence and stillness and depth, its inscrutability and ineffability, that comforts and soothes, that releases us from our compulsive need to account for everything, explain everything. [5]
Translator of the mystics Mirabai Starr guides us in the wisdom of Spanish mystic John of the Cross (1542–1591):
When the dark night descends on the soul, its radiance blinds the intellect. She can no longer formulate concepts; she doesn’t even want to. It is tempting to consider this inability to engage the intellect as a failing. It is easy to assume that you are wasting time.
Do not force it, John wrote. Stop trying to figure it out. Drop down into a state of guileless quietude and abide there. This is no time for discursive meditation, no time for pondering theological doctrines or asserting articles of faith.
Your only task now is to set your soul free. Take a break from ideas and knowledge…. Content yourself with a loving attentiveness toward the Holy One. This requires no effort, no agitation, no desire to taste her or feel her or understand her. Patiently persevere in this state of prayer that has no name.
“Trust in God,” John wrote, “who does not abandon those who seek him with a simple and righteous heart.” By doing nothing now, the soul accomplishes great things. [6]
Peter
ParticipantHi Anita. Great questions
Yes, I know that nothingness inside. That hollow, alone space. There are times when the mystery feels too vast, and I long for something more tangible. The heart aches, even as it knows. The soul whispers “yes,” but the body feels tired, small, and unseen.
Do I feel I belong to something greater? I think this is where language begins to fail. The word greater implies measurement, and the experience I’m pointing to is beyond labels. It’s not something I can hold and define. As I mentioned earlier, the heart still aches even when the mind “knows.” So I hold this as a kind of living tension, not something to fix, but something to stay open to. (The wisdom traditions suggesting that holding the tension opens to what Gurdjieff might call the third force. The ‘force’ which encountering the tension of duality dissolves it into something else.)
And no, this doesn’t make me less needy of human connection. If anything, it might deepen the ache. To be candid, I sometimes wonder if writing about these things is a way to avoid that ache, but it doesn’t. It just brings me closer to it.
How to explain… Alan Watts once said, “What you do to the Earth, you do to yourself.” I used to read that as a kind of environmental ethic, where I still saw myself as separate from nature. But when I let go of that separation, the meaning changed. If I am the Earth, if I am everything, then what I do to the Earth, to others, to the world, I do to myself.
When I see bombs being dropped, I am That. When I see a child starving, I am That. When I see someone holding that child, I am That too…
It’s not a comfortable realization. But it feels true. And maybe that’s what belonging really is, not comfort, but connection. Not escape from the ache, but presence within it.I understand when someone might say what’s the point then if in the end that ache and that experience of nothingness inside remains. I don’t have a answer for that. I still get angry and frustrated only not so much now. No that’s not it, the anger and frustration is part of the ache returned to the ‘canvas’.
Maybe the ache not a flaw in the system, but is the system. The anger, the longing, the emptiness brushstrokes on the canvas of being.
And the canvas itself still, silent, unchanging holds it all….There’s no easy answer and maybe that’s the task: not to answer the question or resolve the ache, but to relate to it differently. as Rilke said “Be patient toward all that is unsolved in your heart and try to love the questions themselves” holding the tension something shifts, though not always in the ache itself, but in how we hold it.
All these words and I’ve said very little and nothing new.
Peter
ParticipantA comment on my comment: “I think both perspectives are true and necessary part of our unfolding. The psychological healing of reclaiming our innocence a step toward being able to glimpse that deeper unity.”
I don’t think this unfolding is a linear process. The shadow work we do may bring us closer to the experience of oneness, but more often, I think, the experience of oneness is a happening, a moment we don’t will, but simply notice. And even if it lasts only a moment, it leaves a mark. It informs and deepens our shadow work, softens our judgments, and reminds us that even our wounds are part of the whole.
Peter
ParticipantHi Anita
I really appreciate what you shared and the psychological and emotional lens through which you viewed the phrase “When I see I am you, how can I harm you?” You’re right, it can be incredibly difficult to see innocence in others when we struggle to see it in ourselves. I feel that is a aspect of our shadow work, where we wrestle with seeing both the best and worst aspects of ourselves and instead project them onto others. In projection, the last thing we want to, or maybe capable of doing, is to see others as ourselves.What I was pointing was something a little more like the spirit behind the word Namaste “The divine in me recognizes the divine in you.” Or even deeper, There is no me and you, only This. As the Upanishads say: “Tat Tvam Asi” “Thou art That.”
It’s not just about seeing my goodness or badness in you, but about seeing that we are not separate at all. That at the deepest level, we are made of the same light, the same breath, the same being. Each of us a arising and returning to the canvas. From that place, harming you would be harming myself. Its a moment of non-dual realization, where the illusion of separateness dissolves (as would any measurement, like innocence), and compassion arises naturally, not from similarity or shared traits, but from oneness.
I think both perspectives are true and necessary part of our unfolding. The psychological healing of reclaiming our innocence a step toward being able to glimpse that deeper unity.
One of the intentions behind the blank canvas post was to point to this shared truth across wisdom traditions. That this realization of oneness is not exclusive to any one path, but a shore we all seem to be sailing toward. A unifying current beneath the surface of our many stories.
Peter
ParticipantPart two: unity: Each wisdom traditions seem to relate to the notion of the power of sound, word, and silence as vehicles of creation and connection to the divine. I wonder then could the relationship between wisdom traditions bring unity.
In Jewish mysticism, especially Kabbalah, the Tetragrammaton – YHWH – is considered the unutterable name of God. Not fully pronounceable, lacking vowels, which preserves its mystery and sacredness. Sometimes YHWH interpreted as a breath-like sound, suggesting that God is as close as our breath—a presence beyond form or articulation. YHWH is also associated with the creative power of speech: In Genesis, God speaks the world into being (“Let there be light…”). Aligning with the canvas metaphor, YHWH as the canvas and the breath, the sound before sound, the word that contains all words.
In Hinduism AUM is the primordial vibration from which all creation arises. It is both sound and silence, form and formlessness. It’s chanted to align with the cosmic rhythm and is considered the seed of all mantras.
In Christianity there is the notion of the Logos: “In the beginning was the Word (Logos), and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” Logos is the divine reason or creative principle and Christ identified as the incarnate Logos, the Word made flesh. This reflects the idea of divine sound or thought becoming manifest, the paint on the canvas of creation.
In Sufism God has 99 Names, each a vibration or attribute of the Divine. The Name “Allah” is said to contain all other names, and its sound is considered transformative. The practice of dhikr (remembrance) involves chanting or breathing the names of God, returning to the source of being.
From the Tao Te Ching: “The Tao that can be spoken is not the eternal Tao.” The Tao is the source of all things, beyond language and form. Here naming is seen as the beginning of duality, while the Nameless is the origin of Heaven and Earth. This reflects the canvas before the paint, the sound before the word.
Many Indigenous traditions view language as sacred where to speak is to invoke. Stories and songs are not just entertainment but acts of creation and memory. Here Silence is often revered as the space where spirit speaks.
I feel these relationship of sound and word, canvas and paint transcends dogma and theologies, a unifying insight that lies at the heart of many mystical and contemplative traditions. The idea of separation as illusion, and that compassion naturally arises when we perceive the underlying unity of all things.
At their mystical core the traditions point to a primordial source (sound, silence, breath, word). A shared essence that transcends form, identity, and belief. The illusion of separateness being the root of suffering and realization of unity as the path to compassion and liberation. This realization is not intellectual, it’s experiential where the ego softens and the boundaries dissolve and what remains is Love, Compassion, Presence, Stillness, Silence…
Compassion the natural response when we see others not as “other” but as expressions of the same source. Compassion no longer a moral obligation, it becomes inevitable.
“When I see I am you, how can I harm you?” This is echoed in:
Buddhism realization of anatta (no-self).
Christianity “Love thy neighbor as thyself” becomes literal when the self is seen as universal.
Sufism where the lover and the beloved are one
Kabbalah, the divine spark is in all beings.The canvas the shared ground of being, pure awareness, the Self, the Tao, the Divine. The paint the diversity of forms, language, culture, identity, belief. When we mistake the paint for the whole, we see separation, When we remember the canvas, we see unity and compassion flows.
“Thou art That”
Peter
ParticipantHi Everyone
Finding that I have nothing new to say I thought I would expand on the Blank Canvas with the aid of AI see if various wisdom traditions might relate to the idea.
In Jungian terms The “blank white canvas” functions as a symbol of the Self, the totality of the psyche, both conscious and unconscious. The word Self a archetype of wholeness, the unchanging ground from which all psychic content arises and to which it returns. The canvas, though seemingly empty, contains all potential, just as the Self contains all aspects of the personality, realized and unrealized.
“The canvas contains within it every painting that has been and will be created.” This realization mirrors the Platonic idea of forms and Jung’s concept of the collective unconscious—a realm of archetypal images and potentials that exist beyond individual experience.The idea that “nothing is lost, nothing gained, nothing to fear” a realization of being present (Eternal Now), often symbolized in Jungian psychology by the mandala, a symbol of wholeness and the eternal cycle of becoming. The canvas, like the mandala, is both empty and full, static and dynamic.
Exploring the notion of AUM as the sound of ‘one hand clapping’ and every word that has and will be spoken.
AUM is considered the primordial vibration—the sound from which all creation emerges. It is not just a sound but a symbol of totality where:
• A represents the waking state (conscious mind)
• U represents the dream state (subconscious)
• M represents deep sleep (unconscious)
• The silence after the sound represents pure awareness, the Self beyond formAUM the sound-canvas from which all spoken words (forms) arise and to which they return. The Sound of One Hand Clapping, the Zen paradox meant to transcend dualistic thinking by inviting the mind to confront the limits of logic and language. In the context of AUM, One hand clapping is the unmanifest, the potential before form. Two hands clapping is the manifest, the world of duality, sound, and form. So, AUM is both the sound of all sounds and the silence of no-sound: the canvas and the paint, the hand and the clapping, the word and the silence between words.
Exploring the notion of Language as Paint on the Canvas and how Language constructs our reality. From a psychological and philosophical standpoint, language is not just a tool for describing reality, it shapes it. In Jungian terms, language is a symbolic system that gives form to archetypal energies. It is how the unconscious becomes conscious.
• Words are symbols, and symbols are bridges between the known and the unknown.
• Language filters experience, giving it structure, meaning, and narrative.
• What we can name, we can relate to; what we cannot name, remains in the shadow.The ego uses language to define identity, time, and separation. But the Self, the deeper totality, speaks in images, dreams, silence, and paradox. This is why mystical experiences often feel ineffable as they transcend the limits of language.
In the metaphor of thatCanvas and the Paint, the canvas is pure awareness, the Self, the eternal now. The paint is language, thought, culture, memory, everything that gives shape to experience. Each word, like each brushstroke, reveals and conceals. It brings something into form while hiding the infinite potential behind it.
AUM the sound of one hand clapping the vibration before duality. Language the second hand, the clap, the echo of creation.
The canvas is always blank, yet always full. Every word is a painting, and every silence a return to the source. Let us then take care in the words that we speak and remember the return to silence.
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