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  • in reply to: Real Spirituality #452880
    Peter
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    Thanks for the kind words, Tee, Alessa, and Roberta.
    Tee, I love your connection to the idea of “as above, so below.”

    I really appreciate the seeds James and Thomas offer us, and the space they create for us to explore them.

    in reply to: Flow of Rise and Fall #452871
    Peter
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    I noticed my last few posts drifted into the more abstract (as I tend to do), and I’d like to bring things back to something more grounded and lived.

    Anita, you don’t need to practice Tao as if it’s something outside you. You’re already in it, and your compassion shines through in the way you do your best to be of service to others. That’s Tao moving through you, and its already wondrous .

    What helped me wasn’t a practice or trying to embody anything, but trusting the truths that showed up in my life. Trusting the realizations that never seemed to “work” when I tried to make them work. Trusting that I didn’t need to force them or believe them into being. They unfolded on their own when I stopped trying to manage the process. A kind of faith, I guess, only without doctrine.

    For me, I noticed a shift when I stopped saying “I believe” and started saying “I know”… The other day someone asked if I believed in the virgin birth, and before I could think my way into an answer, I felt one rise up: I knew. Not as a historical claim or a theological argument, but as a pattern of reality I’ve witnessed in my own life. A “virgin birth” was what happens whenever something new emerges without my effort, without my striving, without my fingerprints all over it. It’s the moment when I stop forcing and something unexpected, undeserved, and quietly luminous appears. It’s the wrapped gift under the tree, something I didn’t earn, didn’t orchestrate, didn’t even know to ask for.

    It’s the possibility that arrives unannounced, the insight that wasn’t wrestled into existence, the grace that shows up before I’ve proven myself worthy of it. It’s the way life keeps offering beginnings that don’t depend on my mastery, only on my openness.

    Even in my writing, I’ve noticed that when I stop trying to make things happen, thoughts come together on their own. Sometimes they surprise me. It feels like something new can arise without effort, a kind of inner “birth” that happens when I’m not forcing anything. That’s helped me trust what’s already true in me.

    The intention of the post was simplicity but this is what emerged 🙂

    in reply to: Flow of Rise and Fall #452867
    Peter
    Participant

    Hi Anita
    I loved the parables. It always amazes me when something simple opens a doorway beyond the words, revealing something quieter underneath.

    If you look back at my earliest post here years ago, you might wonder at the amount of time… Part of it, I think, is that the self quietly turned “letting go” into another practice to accomplish. Even “embodying” can become that, can’t it? Another thing to do, another way to try to get it right. What I’m seeing now is that the moment I try to embody, I’m already back in the old pattern, the self managing, adjusting, striving.

    I use the word embodiment, but I have to hold it lightly, as neither noun nor verb — more like a softening into what’s already here. Not a technique, not a project, not a spiritual skill to master. Maybe that’s why I kept circling. I was trying to practice what only reveals itself when the practicing stops. Still I only catch glimpses, out of the corner of my eye, for a breath or two.

    As this softened, a reflection surfaced — a kind of echo:

    The Way is and is not, yet from it all arise and return.
    No path can reach the Path that is pathless.
    Embodied, the path dissolves — the Tao present.

    When the river is blocked, we carve channels called virtue. When the sky is hidden, we light lanterns called wisdom.
    But the river was flowing before the channels, and the sky was shining before the lanterns.
    Return to the source, and the lanterns are no longer needed.

    We are born upon a path, and that too is Tao. Each step a seeking, each turn a question.
    Yet as long as we walk, Tao seems hidden. The horizon recedes, the seeker remains restless.

    The path is not the source, yet the path is not meaningless.
    It is a shadow pointing toward the light, a rhythm leading to silence.
    When the path dissolves, the illusion of separation fades, and what was sought is revealed as always present.

    When the path dissolves, the shore appears. Looking back, the way we walked is illumined.
    The self whispers, “I arrived by way of the path,” – even though the river does not arrive — it flows.

    So, Tao pulls us back, again and again, until remembering becomes forgetting, and forgetting becomes remembering.
    In that ebb and return, the Beloved smiles. The pathless path is walked, and the walker dissolves into the Way.

    in reply to: Flow of Rise and Fall #452866
    Peter
    Participant

    Thanks for the story Alessa I haven’t heard it before

    I noticed a part of me reading Shang Qiukai’s story as if it hinted at magic or manifestation. But what stayed with me was how little he was trying to do anything at all. His actions were whole because he wasn’t divided. When doubt appeared, the effect vanished. It reminded me that embodiment isn’t about belief exerting power, it’s the ease that comes when the one trying to manage outcomes falls away. And in those moments, I’ve noticed that compassion doesn’t need to be summoned; it rises on its own, and action follows from that quiet, natural clarity.

    Confucius’ words linger here too: how about if other and self are both truthful — take note of this. (I read that as transparent to the transcendent)

    in reply to: Flow of Rise and Fall #452850
    Peter
    Participant

    Hi Anita: I think you capture it nicely – now the question how do we move beyond the words?

    What follows is today’s journal entry.

    For a long time now, I’ve noticed myself circling the same inner terrain, returning to familiar thoughts, trying to name something I sensed but couldn’t quite articulate. Recently, these lines surfaced:

    The Way is and is not, yet from it, all arise and return.
    No path can reach the Path that is pathless…
    Embodied, the path dissolves, the Tao… Presence.

    This morning, something softened. A small shift, quiet, almost imperceptible, opened between the words letting go and embodiment. I saw how the former, for me, had quietly become a subtle form of striving and control.

    There are moments on the path when a single word reveals the hidden architecture of our inner life. Today, while reading a CAC reflection on the dark night of the soul, such a moment arrived.

    The dark night often comes first as loss. It feels as though something essential has slipped away: meaning, joy, certainty, the familiar sense of God. From within the experience, it is loss. It empties us. It unravels us. It asks us to walk without the lights we once trusted.

    Yet as the night deepens, another truth begins to shimmer at the edges. What felt like loss reveals itself as the falling away of what could never truly hold us. The dark night appears as loss, but its essence is not loss at all.

    We often speak of letting go in such seasons. The phrase feels gentle, almost compassionate… a soft surrender, a loosening of the grip. But even here, a subtle effort remains. A quiet belief that I am the one releasing, that surrender is something I must accomplish.

    And so I found myself returning again and again to that night, until another movement appeared: embodiment.

    Embodiment is not loss, and not letting go. It is the quiet dissolving of the one who believed there was something to lose. Here, nothing is taken. Nothing is released. Nothing is managed or performed. Belief no longer required, dissolves into something… Free.

    What remains is presence, unforced, unguarded, whole.

    The dark night may begin as loss and pass through the language of letting go, but embodiment is the gentle undoing of the one who thought anything needed to be surrendered. And in that undoing, a deeper presence emerges, simple, grounded, embodied.

    in reply to: Real Spirituality #452796
    Peter
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    A woman approached the Buddha and confessed: “I don’t know how to practice, how to be spiritual.”
    The Buddha asked gently: “Is there anyone you love?”
    She replied: “Yes, my newborn child.”
    The Buddha said: “Then start there. Care for him with mindfulness, with compassion. Let that love be your practice.”

    Sometimes I have the sense that “spirituality” has become too rigid a word.

    Spirituality is not a mountain to climb, nor a word to master. It is the quiet reflection that opens us to mystery, and the tender hand that pours love into the ordinary. Begin where your heart already leans, in the care you give, in the breath you notice, in the child’s laughter that needs no name. There, the Way is alive. There, the Beloved is already waiting.

    in reply to: Real Spirituality #452795
    Peter
    Participant

    Student: Master, I see two paths before me. One speaks of truth, of patterns beyond my control.
    The other speaks of care, of tending to what is fragile. They do not seem to meet.

    Master: Do not divide the river. Its current is both the unseen source and the hand that cups water.
    Truth is the flow, care is the drinking. Without one, the other is dry.

    Student: But how can I know which is real? Is safety an illusion, or is it born of love?

    Master: Safety is a shadow cast by the Beloved. Sometimes it appears as questioning, sometimes as nurturing.
    Both are mirrors of the same sun. Do not cling to the shadow, step into the light.

    Student: Then the two paths are one?

    Master: Yes. The reed grows because the wind bends it, and because the gardener waters it.
    Mystery and care are not rivals. They are two notes of the same song.

    in reply to: Flow of Rise and Fall #452771
    Peter
    Participant

    Hi Anta

    I think you captured something real in describing the experience of falling in and out of flow.

    Reading your post, I wondered if Tao might sometimes be mistaken for flow itself, or treated as something to attain, as if staying in flow would make everything wonderful. (that reading was a projection of mine, a something I noticed within me)

    Tao is not the flow, but that from which flow arises, holding both our moments of presence and our forgetting, our joys and sorrows.

    Noticing the rain, for a moment you we are the rain and perhaps the breath softens. Then the mind, the heart, or the body begins to ask: What is this? How do I sound? – And perhaps another part notices this questioning and laughs. Life doesn’t ask us to remain in stillness. It is, I feel, enough that we notice, and return home from time to time.

    I was wondering what you thought of the suggesting that over the years we have been circling the challenge of taking our realizations past something that we know?

    The following is yesterdays journal entry.

    What does it mean to truly live the values we cherish, rather than just speak of them?

    I grew up in a community rich with beliefs. From within, those convictions felt certain; yet from the outside, one might wonder if they were truly lived. My own frustration has often been noticing how far we seemed from embodying the values we proclaimed.

    Perhaps this disconnect is not deliberate, but an unconscious pattern, treating the spiritual path as law as if law was the source itself. I know this pattern in myself: when I cling to the path as though it were the origin, I end up frustrated, because the place it points toward cannot be reach though law.

    True embodiment flows from the source. It is not born of rigid adherence to forms, but of inner alignment with what those forms signify. When the source is forgotten, the path becomes hollow, a ritual without life, a map without terrain. But when the source is encountered, the path becomes luminous, not as a substitute for reality, but as its reflection….

    The spiritual path matters, but only as a signpost. It cannot give what it points to. To live the values we cherish, we must return, if only for a breath, to the origin, the wellspring from which all paths arise. When we drink from that source, the path ceases to be a burden and becomes a natural expression of life itself.

    A Day in Flow (update)
    Peter rose with the morning light. He poured tea, watching steam rise and fade. He walked to work, heard a child laugh, and joined without thinking. At the office, he answered what he could, listened when words came sharp, and peace returned.
    That evening, he cooked, hummed, and watched the sky darken. Nothing extraordinary happened. Yet everything was whole.
    The path was not effort. It was the source flowing through him, turning ordinary moments into quiet grace.

    in reply to: Flow of Rise and Fall #452741
    Peter
    Participant

    That was well crafted Anita and illuminates what we are circling. I wonder now if we could simplify?

    Anita: Rules and techniques do not vanish. They sink so deeply into embodiment that action flows of itself, without effort, without thought..
    Peter: Yes.. Embodiment is not born of technique; technique arises as its echo. The small self resists this truth, clinging to control and fearing the surrender that freedom requires. In its doubt, the small self imagines the echo to be the source.
    Anita: Yet Flow is simple, just noticing…
    Peter: It moves without measure, without panic, without striving. Only presence remains, and in presence, the Tao flows as you.

    In our dialogues we circle the question: What would it mean to live what we say we believe and know?

    A thought that arises: Realizations are not meant to remain as ideas but to sink into us, becoming embedded, becoming flesh. In this way, embodiment is the quiet shift where belief dissolves, and life itself becomes the expression of knowing. Flow

    To embody is to stop believing about the truth, and to begin living as truth. It is the Tao flowing through us, where realization is no longer separate from action, and knowing is no longer separate from being…

    in reply to: Flow of Rise and Fall #452735
    Peter
    Participant

    Hi Everyone
    As I return to the Tao Te Ching, I offer these reflections as invitations… Knowing the Tao cannot be held in words, confined to the categories of noun or verb. In the same way, the words silence, stillness, and the Eternal are not things to grasp, but gestures pointing toward the mystery.

    This reflection weaves together a CAC daily meditation ‘Trusting the Unknown Path’ and thoughts on Tao. In a moment of synchronicity, the two converged, opening naturally, I think into a wider conversation on Flow.

    The Tao moves unseen, shaping all things without striving. What seems like darkness is not absence, but the fertile womb of becoming a possibility of silent night birth, a choiceless choice. To walk the pathless path is to surrender the need for answers and rest in the mystery that carries us beyond ourselves.

    The way of Tao is not to grasp but to release. To not know is the deeper knowing; to not need is the greater freedom. The mystics call this “death,” yet it is only the dissolving of illusion, the transition into compassion. Faith is luminous darkness: the trust that the unseen Way is already guiding us.

    Tao works in secret. If we saw the whole unfolding, we would cling or resist. Instead, Tao liberates us quietly, loosening attachments and dissolving compulsions. The “dark night” is not sinister but sacred, the hidden alchemy by which freedom ripens beneath our awareness.

    No one willingly oversees the undoing of the false self. As deep calls unto deep. Spirit resonates with spirit, the eternal Yes awakening the Yes within us.

    In the poverty of surrender, all that is not Tao dissolves. What remains is the infinite beauty already given, Tao as Tao, Love as Love, Self as Self.

    So what dissolves?
    Not Tao itself, which is eternal and unchanging. Not phenomena, which continue to arise and pass.
    What dissolves is illusion of the false sense of separation, the illusion of a self standing outside the flow.

    All things arise from Tao, like mist from the mountain, like waves from the sea.
    Yet what is not Tao? Only the veil of forgetting, the dream of separation, the shadow of grasping.
    The mist dissolves, not the mountain. The wave returns, not the ocean.
    Illusion fades, but Tao remains, the unborn, the undying, the pathless path, the eternal Yes.
    Everything arises from Tao, but not everything is seen truly. What dissolves is the veil that hides Tao from itself.

    The Way cannot be possessed, only trusted. It is not a road but a rhythm, not a map but a mystery. To speak of Tao is to trace the outline of what cannot be named. To listen for Tao is to rest in the space before thought. To walk with Tao is to trust the pathless path, where dissolving and arising are one movement, and where all that is hidden reveals itself in its own time.

    in reply to: Flow of Rise and Fall #452709
    Peter
    Participant

    Hi Anita
    Thank you for taking up the challenge.

    Flow, or wu wei, doesn’t mean forcing yourself to stop caring or to stop feeling. It means not doing anything extra on top of what’s already here: notice the pain, and don’t add the fight with the past. Grief and non‑attachment can coexist… keep the love, release the argument with what cannot be changed.

    Self‑approval matters… though I’m wary of tying it to flow as it can slide into striving. Self‑approval can reduce self‑criticism where as Flow notices the feeling with no extra effort, no score.

    For tonight: take one slow exhale. Notice one thing you did today that came naturally. Let your body settle.
    May you have a good Tao night of sleep and rest. Amen.

    in reply to: Flow of Rise and Fall #452708
    Peter
    Participant

    Hi Alessa,

    I appreciate your grounded views.

    For me, flow doesn’t ask life to look different. Embodied, everything is received differently… the calendar stays, the grip softens, heaven beneath our feet.

    in reply to: Flow of Rise and Fall #452707
    Peter
    Participant

    Hi Everyone: continued thoughts.

    Lao Tzu points past the one who tries to secure stillness. “Return to the root” isn’t something the self accomplishes; it’s what shows itself when its activity softens. This I feel is flow: not forcing stillness or silence, but letting the constancy beneath each step reveal itself, heaven beneath our feet. Then belief in the raft yields to embodiment of arrival. We don’t arrive at a place we already are; we notice it. And from that noticing, action becomes natural, unforced, compassionately precise.

    A brief example: When Jesus says he didn’t come to abolish the law but to fulfill it, the fearful self hears “climb the ladder harder. (sadly this is how his words are usually read) But fulfill means embody, the law becomes living breath, ‘on earth as in heaven.’ Not achievement by the self, but life expressed through us when grasping relaxes. In this, Lao Tzu and Jesus point the same way: the path is fulfilled when it disappears into presence.

    Avoiding religious language lets think of a musician: scales and technique are real, laws of the craft. But at the moment of performance, trying to “find the music” only tightens the hand. When the seeking relaxes, the song plays itself through the musician. The law isn’t abolished; it’s fulfilled – embodied – so completely it disappears into the music. That’s I experience as flow, and it’s the heart of “returning to the root.”

    to simplify… or make more complex 🙂 The raft asks for faith. The shore asks for feet. When the seeker loosens, the ground appears.

    in reply to: Flow of Rise and Fall #452706
    Peter
    Participant

    Hi James

    Not finding stillness, but stepping back from the one who tries to find it” – Yes, And a step further: we say “Tao,” then unsay it. Silence is not a destination, nor a self that finds; it is what remains when finding ceases. The seeker steps off the raft, and the shore is already here.

    in reply to: Real Spirituality #452564
    Peter
    Participant

    Thanks Thomas and I agree

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