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PeterParticipantYour phrase “the non‑duality of human early reactions” feels abstract and poetic to me, even though you experience it as concrete. I suspect that difference in how we use language is where we keep missing each other.
I feel a flush of foolishness for starting the topic, thinking I could use the very thing I’m questioning to somehow step outside it and see it clearly. It’s like trying to use a flashlight to understand darkness, only to realize the light itself creates the boundary. So I’m going to step back with words wiser than mine:
Trying to catch the wind
with a wicker basket
that’s the work of cleverness.Turning words on words
to question words
that’s the labor of the mind.The wise just smile.
When speech reaches its edge,
silence begins.When meaning is squeezed,
it dries.
When it’s left alone,
it moves on its own.Step back.
Empty the hands.
Loosen the tongue.A soft breath
is enough.
An open space
needs no filling.
PeterParticipantAnita, thank you for taking the time to think through all of this and for trying to understand the differences in how we communicate. I find it helpful.
I want to share something honestly and from the heart. When you describe my way of speaking as coming from a rigid childhood or inner chaos, I feel reduced by that. The explanation feels like a cage. It’s not that you’re wrong, it’s that it turns my way of communicating into a psychological diagnosis. And that’s actually part of what I meant earlier about how language can trap us and others without us noticing.
You say you speak concretely, and I believe that’s how it feels from the inside. However from the outside, I see you doing something quite abstract as well… creating theories about me, interpreting motives, building symbolic stories about childhood. That’s not a criticism; I actually relate to those stories, though confused when you say you don’t understand abstract thought… Perhaps a reminder that we’re both shaped by the languages we grew up inside, and we both sometimes mistake our own style for the ‘real’ one.”
I don’t want either of us to give up our way of speaking and every style (language) has limits, and can create misunderstandings, even cages, we don’t always notice. In a way, this whole exchange is exactly what I meant by the “prison house of language”: how words can open us and confine us and others sometimes.
I appreciate your effort to meet me, and I see that we’re both trying to do that without losing our own way of expressing things and losing ourselves. In that light perhaps I should add that don’t speak abstractly to be clever or evasive. It’s simply how I make sense of the world and how I stay connected to myself. It’s the way I avoid collapsing into someone else’s frame, and it protects parts of me that were never clearly mirrored for me.
I actually feel something similar in your writing… there’s a depth of feeling in what you write that goes beyond the concrete…
PeterParticipantPerhaps a edit – Still, I notice that the parable is abstract… for me, it is my emotional language, a attempt to paint a picture. It’s how I feel my way through – “Prison House of Language”?
PeterParticipantA note on the parable. Perhaps it would be helpful to add that I was originally trying to make an argument about how we often mix up our spiritual lives and our politics. I was wondering if we’ve started asking them to do things they weren’t built for: we load spiritual practice with an urgency it can’t always carry, and we expect political action to give us a kind of “awakening” that it can’t really deliver.
I was getting so tangled up in those big, heavy words I felt like the mirror-maker in the story—trying to decide if I should be making a “shield” or just holding the “glass.”
The parable was the only way I could find to step out of the argument and just breathe. It’s exactly like you said, Anita: sometimes we just need to find a way to be human again when the “abstract” starts to feel like a wall.
Still, I notice that the parable is abstract… for me, it is my emotional language, a attempt to paint a picture. It’s how I feel my way through.
PeterParticipantHi Anita,
That is a very common response to the way I communicate! Please don’t feel it’s a lack of intelligence; it’s really just a mismatch in the “tools” we’re using. Language is funny like that, it can trap us and free us, and half the time we don’t even notice which one is happening.The phrase “Prison House of Language” actually comes from a famous Nietzsche quote about how we are constrained by the words we use. I’ll admit, I was heading into deep waters and probably got a bit over my head!
The other day, I tried to make a serious argument following all the logical rules, and it was ripped apart for relying too much on metaphors. I realized I was trapped in my own way of speaking. I eventually turned the whole thing into a short parable just to make sense of it for myself.
It’s interesting: I use symbols, and you use emotional concrete language, but we both end up in the same place, telling a story.
Your brain scan story is actually the perfect example of what I was trying to say. When you said “nothing was found,” the words were so “slippery” they made it sound like you had no brain! For a second, the language trapped you in a meaning you never intended. That’s the secret, I think. Language often shuts things down, but also open them back up just by changing the delivery. Whether it’s a parable or a story about a broken computer, the story is how we finally hear each other.
I’m glad you’re finding that “emotional language” makes you feel more human. It’s a much better way to get out of the “prison” of big words than anything I was writing. I’m often frustrated by it myself.
Here is that parable… don’t worry about “deciphering” it. It’s just an image to sit with.
The Three Mirrors
There was a man who lived in a burning city. He carried a mirror so the people might see the fire was not the whole world.Early in life he learned he had to keep a mirror within his own heart, knowing that if he let his heart catch fire, the mirror would melt and he would see only the flames. He heard of those whose hearts could burn without being consumed, and that left him wondering…
He also belonged to a guild of mirror makers. Some in the guild wanted to melt the mirrors to make shields for the soldiers. He wished them well but refused. He told them, “A shield can stop a sword, but only a mirror can remind the soldier why he should lay the sword down.”
Later, the city took some of the guild’s mirrors and built them into the walls. But once a mirror was part of a wall, it could no longer be moved to face the truth. It became just another stone.
The man witnessed all these things as he sat on the edge of the city and held the glass. His heart burned but was not consumed. He trusted that the coolness of the glass was more powerful than the heat of the flame. And every now and then, others would come to sit beside him, find rest, and share something to eat.
PeterParticipantThomas your latest Zen story made me laugh. Was it a matter of perspective? Or just a good laugh? I think both 🙂
It just reminded me of a answer to a question I no longer remember… but was probably full of angst: “We work for that which no work is required.” Somehow those words made it possible to enjoy the struggle a little more, and worry about it a little less. The effort is real, but the destination isn’t somewhere else as We “return home discovering we never left, only seeing it for the first time”.
PeterParticipantPlease I continue to explore…
What struck me reading through this exchange was how clearly it showed that language isn’t only the words we speak. It’s a tool that opens our world, yet it’s also a boundary. In this dialogue I kept seeing how we don’t just use words; we live inside them.
A song became a distraction, then a doorway.
A worry became a trap, then a truth.
A poem became a mirror.
Even the back‑and‑forth carried its own quiet rhythm, painted its own picture.The Sufis say everything speaks, all arising from and returning to the ‘Word’ we’ve forgotten and keep trying to remember. If that’s true, then even the mind’s noise belongs to the conversation… Art is language. Song is language. A tree growing is language. Even Taxes are language. Sometimes these things confine us; sometimes they open us. Often they do both at once. (the intention of the topic was to notice, when it was a relationship to a word and or event holding us back.)
Perhaps that’s where the old line comes in: For those with ears, let them hear…
For the last twenty plus years I’ve lived with tinnitus, so for a long time my silence has never been silent. The ringing is always there, a thin thread of sound running through everything, everything. Over time I learned, (had to learn?) that silence isn’t the absence of sound it’s the absence of being pulled around by sound.
The ringing never stops, but the struggle around it softened… most days. It’s pushed me to let go, to breathe through it, to find a different kind of quiet.
In that way it’s become a language too. When it grows louder, it’s a warning: something’s tightening, pay attention.
Even noise has something to say. Even distraction can be a doorway. So maybe the “prison house of language” isn’t a place we escape, but a place we learn to notice and listen to differently, where everything speaks, even the things we once thought were in the way.
PeterParticipantThomas, I appreciate your honesty, and it reminded me of a poem by Rick Cain
“The ancient of Man ponders his curiosity. Questions arise as he wonders of his own significance… How time moves as sands of an hour glass, not to be grasped, but reckoned with by the moment. The focus of a single crystal houses Hope, Love and the rainbow multitude of Life’s involvement. We see these things as in passing… we feel them as now. The Master of these sands is he who loves each crystal.”
I’ve never been great at zazen myself. I used to approach the silence as if I were building a fortress, trying to keep the “world” out so I could finally be “spiritual.” I had to let that go. Part of the letting go was changing my relationship to the word “spiritual” to a experience of “Harmony”.
So when you say a pop song breaks in, wonder if that song isn’t a wall but a Gate?
When you sit in the silence and a song arises, it feels like encountering that “rainbow multitude of Life’s involvement.” That lyric in your head a crystal of sand, a opportunity to “reckon with the moment,” where the silence turns out to be big enough to carry the song.
Your instinct to writing those lyrics out feels like an act of loving the crystal. Acknowledging that right now, the universe is singing a popular tune through you. I don’t think the SandMaster would tell you to be quiet; he’d probably just start humming along.
PeterParticipantThomas, I have the same curiosity and fear. Begging the question: what is the etiquette around tattoos?
Some are works of art and I really want to look and hear their story, but I never ask. Caution being the better part of Valor. 🙂
PeterParticipantThanks Thomas. you remind me that the ‘original key’ is always here, just waiting for us to tune the instrument.
I think my own path is a bit of a trinity of Prayer, Meditation, and Contemplation.
Meditation’ is often defined as quieting the mind until thoughts stop, however, I’ve come to see it more as a flow. A act of ‘pondering and treasuring’ that notices how they pass and holding them lightly.
In this flow, Prayer is the opening of the heart; Meditation is the movement; and Contemplation is the silence… I try not to get too wrapped up in those specific labels, though. I don’t want the words to define the experience, only to act as a shorthand for the way the heart opens.
Less Zen, I guess and perhaps more Hermetic – AI describes as:
— Prayer (Opening): Not a petition for “things,” but a turning of the will. It is the Mary-like “Yes” that makes the heart receptive.
— Meditation (Pondering): This is where you “hold words lightly.” It is a rhythmic, imaginative thinking that doesn’t try to “solve” the world, but simply “treasures” the images until they begin to speak.
— Contemplation (Silence): This is the “Virgin Birth” of meaning. The words fall away, the “shore” of language vanishes, and you are left in the Splendor of Silence. It is no longer “about” God; it is the presence of G_d. It is here I wonder that ‘new consciousness’ arises?I’ll be sure to check out that Seals and Crofts song, it’s a beautiful reminder that we are all just passing through together.
PeterParticipantI’m reminded of Rumi’s image of words as waves on a vast sea. Sometimes those waves are gentle, and sometimes they arrive as a storm, like the one Pi (Life of Pi) faces in the middle of the ocean. In the moment, the storm is terrifying as it breaks our rafts and strips us bare. Than in the quiet that follows is a different kind of beauty. It’s the silence of a heart that has stopped fighting the waves and finally learned to breathe with the ocean. Both the storm and the quiet are beautiful, but only when we stop trying to name them and simply learn to float.
“My words are like a ship, and the sea is their meaning. Come to me and I will take you to the depths of spirit.” Rami
“Silence is an ocean. Speech is a river. When the ocean is searching for you, don’t walk into the river. Listen to the ocean.” Rami
‘Heart is sea, language is shore. Whatever sea includes, will hit the shore.’ Rami
PeterParticipantThanks Alessa
Hi Thomas, thank you for that. I agree language is a profound gift and one I think is intimately tied to the gift of consciousness itself. It is indeed the bridge that keeps us from being truly alone.
What I love about poems, and yours was beautiful) and Zen stories is how they invite us to hold that gifts lightly, so the words are less likely to become cages. In my own meditation, I’ve noticed a strange paradox: the very words I use to make my experience conscious can sometimes create a wall against that experience. There have been moments where I wasn’t sure when I was using the words, or when the words were using me.
For example, my relationship with the word Forgiveness, and it is a relationship, actually kept me from the act itself for a long time. The word arrived like a commandment, already shaped by other hands. I found myself bowing to it, forgetting it was mine to rename. I’ve learned that when a word tightens around the heart, no doorway opens.
I once thought I had to heal the past. But I’ve come to see that the past was never the wound, only the mirror. It was the lens I carried that needed tending, a lens made of words that had become too heavy for the truth. When we hold them lightly, the silence beneath them finally begins to breathe.
PeterParticipantHi Alessa -a wonderful lead into to similar thoughts I had – (I’ve been pondering this subject for a few weeks)
“In the beginning was the Word.” I have always imagined that Word not as language, but as a living movement… creative, spacious, and uncontained.
Into this Word, Adam appears and I imagine him running through the garden with the delighted curiosity of a child, touching creatures gently, laughing as names rise in him like small miracles. “Father,” he says, breathless, “I called this one hare. Do you like it?” And I imagine God smiling, not because it is correct but because it is alive. In that moment, naming is participation, a joining in the unfolding music of creation. Nothing is fragile. Nothing is broken, Nothing is judged. Even “wrong” names shine with an unguarded radiance.
But there is another version that lives just as vividly. In this one, Adam returns from that same joyful day only to meet a God whose face has hardened. “No,” the voice says. “You named it wrong; are you trying to brake everything…
Suddenly, the garden tightens. The air thins. The freedom of naming collapses into anxiety, and the Word that once created begins to contain. Naming becomes a duty weighted with the fear of error. This is a different kind of fall, a quiet exile that happens not by leaving Eden, but by losing the relationship to the Word that made Eden open.
Yet the story doesn’t end in exile. I imagine Adam years later, walking the garden with careful steps, still convinced that a misplaced syllable might fracture the world. He kneels beside a trembling creature, and something soft and familiar stirs, the primal urge to greet, to name, to share delight.
For a moment, he braces for the reprimand, for the familiar tightness of judgment. But the garden is quiet. And then, like a memory carried on a breath, he hears it: the warm, untroubled laughter of the first God. The One who delighted in every name, even the awkward ones.
Something loosens. He remembers naming as play; he remembers God as companion; he remembers that nothing was ever fragile. Adam touches the creature and lets the name rise the way it once did, freely, gently, without the fear of breaking creation. And as the name leaves his lips, the world does not shatter.
It inhales. It breathes.
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“In the beginning, the Word created; after the fall, words contained; and when remembered, the Word is too alive to speak.”
Sufi wisdom suggests that our deepest suffering is not a lack of doctrine, but forgetfulness, a loss of the original resonance beneath the sound. We have forgotten the intimacy behind the naming.
The path, then, is Remembrance: a return not to a concept, but to a vibration of Being. It is a state of such profound life that to speak it is to diminish it… We do not find the Truth by defining it; we find it by becoming the silence in which it breathes.
And so sometimes the wound is not the past, but the word we’ve been using to approach it. And sometimes healing begins not with speaking, but with remembering the silence beneath the speech.
PeterParticipantPrison House of Language
The walls are built of vowels and iron nouns,
A mortar mixed from should and must and when.
I pace the cell while all the world renowns
Arrive as echoes scratching from my pen.I feel a grief without a face
A tidal ache that never finds
Yet lonely is the closest word,
A hollow key that fits no door.I hunger for a truth too soft for speech,
A pulse beneath the grammar of the mind;
But since my youth, I’ve bartered what I reach
For definitions where the lies are signed.The “I” I speak is not the “I” I know,
Just syntax haunting bones it cannot feel;
And what we call a “wound” can never show
The raw, unworded space that waits to heal.We cease to think the moment we agree
To walk the narrow halls the lexicons command.
To stay within the lines is to be “free”
Yet here I am, exiled in my native land.So let the “hurt,” and “forgive” fall past;
Let the unfinished sentence hang in open air.
For only when the final word has breathed its last
Will I be found in the silence waiting there.
PeterParticipantWhat surprised me most, in the days after stepping into that room, was realizing that the barrier had never been the past itself. The memories weren’t what kept me circling the same ache. It was my relationship to the words like forgiveness, the weight I had given them, the shape I insisted they take, the way I kept holding them up like a key that refused to turn.
It’s counterintuitive, almost disorienting, to discover that a single word can stand between you and your own healing. But that’s the quiet trick of language: when a word grows rigid, we start mistaking its limits for our own. I had been trying to enter the past through a concept that had long since stopped carrying the life of what it pointed toward.
Only when I set the word down, when I stopped asking it to do what it could not do, did the past begin to soften on its own. The healing didn’t come from naming, but from stepping into the space that appears when naming falls away. The story is simply the moment I realized that the door I couldn’t open was made of language, not memory. And once the word stopped trying to hold what it could never hold, the room behind it finally let me in.
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