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Thank you both so much for your responses. I’m truly grateful to you both for taking the time to help me. 🙏🏻
SaoirseParticipantThank you both so so much for taking the time to reply to me and for your wise advice. I will definitely take on board your suggestions. I especially like your suggestion, Roberta, of if we were to meet, an outside space like a park could be helpful. I think I always just suggested that we would call to hers, so I could get up and leave whenever I wanted and not have to wait around for a meal / coffee to finish. She definitely does suffer from memory loss, I think each mental episode she has had has damaged her sense of being tuned in to the real world. The friends and acquaintances she has now, she has mainly met through mental health services. These people are (understandably) on her side and encourage her to reach out to me so she can see me and her grandchild. However they are absolutely unaware of the horrendous trauma her children suffered. They just see her as a woman who’s daughter doesn’t make much of an effort with her. This also affects me as I’ve even had a friend of hers reach out to me to tell me about how often she sees her own grandchildren and that my mother loves my daughter and wants to see her more often. This frustrates me (and I guess this is definitely a personal issue that probably stems from childhood, where I get annoyed that her people think I’m the one in the wrong)
Tee, I’m sorry you had to deal with similar issues with your own mother. As a mother myself I cannot in a billion years fathom how a woman could cause their own child to suffer. It physically hurts to think of my own daughter going through even a fraction of that pain. I have gone to therapy a number of times in the past, most recently it finished due to covid restrictions in 2020. I do agree that perhaps I need to learn how to deal with the way I react, rather than expect her to suddenly have a lightbulb moment (or to get OJ from a cow!) as this is realistically never going to happen. Recently I feel like I am almost mourning the nurturing mother I never had, and so resentful of the one I do have.
Even writing my feelings in this post is awakening a lot – so I think writing a letter is a good start. I actually did this before and although she acknowledged it at the time, it didn’t really change anything in the long run. But circumstances are different now and I guess there’s no harm writing another one. It’s just hard to know what I should suggest – that we don’t see each other at all? That we only see each other when I feel strong enough? I don’t really know where to draw the line. I forgot to say she lives quite close to me – less than 10 min drive. So I can’t use distance as a reason.
SaoirseParticipantHi Toggles, I believe you have almost answered your own question there by saying “it’s so hard to keep loving someone with all your trust and integrity when you’re no longer sure that person values that that is what you’ve been giving them.”
Relationships should not be hard, yes everyone has struggles but your partner should be the one to support you when you have struggles elsewhere. I sometimes feel that deep down you know what is right to do. Yes the heart tells you to stay and forgive as it is the easier option, but you need to do what is best for your heart in the long run. We sometimes do not want to admit to ourselves what is the right thing to do as we feel it is too painful to face. If he will not commit to do everything and anything in his power to try solve this issue, then walking away is the only other option. Walking away is hard…but I guarantee you will thank yourself for making the move once you have healed and can see things more clearly. I wish you all the best xx
SaoirseParticipantHi Toggles, first of all I really extend my sympathy towards you as this is an extremely difficult situation to be in. I went through something similar with an ex boyfriend. We had the best of times together when it was good, but when it was bad it was toxic. When he went into one of his drunken rages he would call me horrible names and accuse me of sleeping around and betraying him. (This was not remotely true, yes I had a lovelife before him but as soon as we met I did not even look at another guy.) Like your situation, he never willingly apologised after one of these drunken rages and i nearly had to coax it out of him. His issue was that he was extremely untrusting of me, and that got worse when he was drunk. I wonder are there any other issues in your relationship that you may think are minor but are exaggerated when he is drunk?
Myself and my ex really really wanted it to work between us, we loved each other so deeply. He even went to counselling over his trust issues / drunken abusive rages and his counsellor encouraged him to tell me that he had discovered in recent years that his father was having an affair with a neighbour and it was ongoing. This obviously affected him alot. Now im not suggesting that this is what is happening with your partner, but this revelation was obviously a factor towards his issues. I could not believe it when he had told me as I knew nothing about this. Would your boyfriend consider counselling to overcome his issues? There may be something deeper that you are not aware of, that has nothing to do with you.
My ex even told me he would give up alocohol for me, but this did not last very long. There was a “last straw” where he was particularly aggressive towards me (never physical might I add) and I decided to end it once and for all. Finishing it was long and drawn out as we both had so much love for each other. (I stress this as I can tell that there is alot of love between you and your boyfriend.) About a month or 2 after we finished, I cut all contact. I was totally and utterly heartbroken, but I couldn’t say that we didnt try everything to make it work, and yet still he did not change.
My advice would be to maybe suggest counselling as a last resort before you pack up and leave. If he loves you and truly wants to stay with you he will try it. (My ex wasn’t the “counselling” type, he would have died if any of his friends had found out as he was a bit of a “hard man”.) I do not regret breaking up with my ex in the end as we really did try to make it work, and after all that he still used to upset me with his drunken rages. I was heartbroken for a long time, but I healed and in turn I gained my life back. Although a new relationship is the last thing on your mind right now, I met the guy im with now 4 years later and he brings 100 times more happiness into my life than anyone else i have ever been with. I do still think of my ex but mainly in an angry way as I think how on earth could I have put up with that for so long. You deserve to be happy ALL the time, not just sometimes. xx
SaoirseParticipantHi, I’m so sorry to hear about your loss, I hope that the pain will ease for your family over time. Its tragedies like that that really help put things into perspective! I’ve still had zero contact with the sister, and neither has my boyfriend. I suppose the only issue now is that there is a family wedding in August where obviously she will be there. Its strange because i always presumed I would never let anyone make me feel like this, I’m very straight up when ever i have an issue with someone. (I dont really take offence easily so this would be rare anyway.) I’m trying not to worry about the situation too much and just deal with things as they come. It can be difficult though. Its all about practising self belief and trying to ease your worrying I guess.
The name is pronounced “Seer-sha” its Gaelic for peace. 🙂 xx
SaoirseParticipantHi Jes,
Thank you so much for checking in with me! 🙂 Following the last meeting there was not much change, no major contact/outreaching from her. My boyfriend requested another meeting with her to discuss her outburst against me, where again she remained negative, turning every question back on him and criticising him, down to the way he looked!! He said he asked her out straight what her problem was with me and she could not give any fair or reasonable straight answer. It again did not really end with any conclusion. He met his Dad after who advised him to stop trying to ask her to change or get an apology from her, that it wont happen, that he needs to concentrate on his life and his relationship with me and our future. It was refreshing to hear his father’s point of view. I guess we both learned from this advice to stop trying to seek closure from her, rather to attain peace through ourselves and our relationship together. Its definately a new experience for me, as I always would have seeked closure directly from the person that there was an issue with (which in itself was rare as I do not come across many instinces of conflict in my day to day life.)
I guess we both realise that she wont change, she wont do what we seek and apologise for her actions. I do in a way feel like realising this has almost lifted a weight from me, stupid as it sounds. We wont let her cause conflict between us or seep into our happiness like poison. I’m happy that my relationship with his parents is good and his with my family is great also. I’m also thankful that he wont listen to her negativity and sees me for the person I am, and not the person she would like me to be!!
I hope you are keeping well and living in harmony, besides having the burden of a negative sister in law also! xx
SaoirseParticipantHi Jes,
I suppose we are both very lucky that in both our cases our boyfriends are fully devoted to us and don’t let their sisters come between us. To hear that she rolls her eyes and pulls funny faces is upsetting, but I guess I have learned in the past while and from helpful advice from yourself and others, that this is all an exercise in being mindful, appreciating what we have and living a positive life no matter what the circumstance.
My sister in law sent my boyfriend a text out of the blue at the weekend, acting like nothing was wrong. This caused friction as I allowed myself to get annoyed that she had the cheek to expect him to act normal towards her (like he would have done when she bullied him before we were together.) He asked to meet her to talk things through, this brief meeting didnt have a totally positive outcome but she admitted she didnt like that I was taking him away from her. I appreciate that he had the courage to stand up to his lifelong bully, and have been trying my best (again!!) to not let her bitterness affect my mood.
Its extremely difficult to know that she will always be lingering in the background. I hope that the hen-do goes well and that the effort you made to be positive and also the bigger person, pays off. I know nobody would expect that girl to do a total 360 but I guess we can only control how we react to people’s actions, and not their actions themselves. xx
SaoirseParticipantThank you PeaceLoveJes for taking the time to give me your advice. It is now nearly 3 weeks and neither of us has heard from her, but this has resulted in my having no choice but to try let the situation go. I suppose the fact that I have not had the opportunity to speak to her (not by choice) has allowed my anger to subside a bit and see the bigger picture.
I agree that letting your anger get the better of you does you no good, and you only hurt yourself by holding resentment.
I will research Thich Nhat Hanh’s books, as I (and my boyfriend) believe it is important to live a peaceful life. I am very thankful that all of my immediate relationships are happy and peaceful and maybe this incident made me appreciate that more. It worries me that unfortunately I will have to see her at future events, including an upcoming wedding, but I suppose the advantage I have is that her parents are totally aware of the situation and that I did nothing wrong, and have been nothing but accepting to me. And I know that worrying will never change any situation’s outcome.SaoirseParticipantThank you for taking the time to reply to this Inky. I agree with you in that her problem may not even be personal, rather that I have taken her brother away. I suppose that I am conflicted in that I don’t want her to think I am a pushover and that I accept the fact that she has said horrible things about me, as I do not accept this treatment. I believe in sorting things directly with the person and its frustrating for me that she is not allowing that to happen. I am so unused to having bad feeling like this hang over me. Your kind advice has helped me see it all from a different point of view. I need not to worry so much!
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