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    Good morning,

     

    I have been reading “the Seat of the Soul” by Gary Zukav

    “All the energy of the soul does not incarnate. To incarnate, the soul creates a personality from those parts of itself that it wants to heal in the physical environment, and from those parts of itself that it lends to the process of healing in that lifetime.”

    “So powerful is the energy of the soul that it could not advance into a physical form without, literally, exploding that form. In the creation of personality, the soul calibrates parts of itself, reduces parts of itself, to take on the human experience. Your higher self is that aspect of your soul that is in you, but is not the fullness of your soul. It is a smaller soul self. Therefore, “higher self” is another term for “soul,” yet the soul is more than the higher self.”

    “Intuition is a walkie-talkie, so to speak, between the personality and the soul. This happens through the higher self.”

    It is making me ask myself, “what is my soul here to heal?” “does the personality have its own set of wounds it needs to heal? wounds that were accumulated in this life? or was I born with my wounds.”

    I’ve spent a long time, practicing self awareness and healing wounds of my personality. When he says the soul creates a personality, does he mean we were born into this world with our personality?

    Are/have any of you reading this become familiar with the process of healing your soul? I wonder if what needs to heal becomes clearer, and what is the light at the end of the tunnel like, after you have healed an aspect of your soul?

     

    Seaturtle

    seaturtle
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    Dear Helcat,

    So tell me if you think I am interpreting this wrong. But after reading your description of schemas, mine in being unnoticed and overlook, so that is comfortable to me. I remember learning this concept in psychology, and thought I was conscious of my schemas. I used to think they were being controlled and told what to do. But now as I get to know my parents more and reflect on my childhood I am realizing it was much more. It was emotional neglect, soul-less, cold, arguing, laughter, tv, vacations and games with my siblings, the best part.

    ” Once you have lived together and they have experienced hardship. That is when you have a good understanding of someone’s character as people are at their worst during times of hardship.”

    I appreciate this observation.

    Wise words “Intuition is calmer.”

    I imagine that dynamic during disagreements would be because of your father. I am imagining that as a child when your father was angry you just wanted it to stop and you were scared and wanted a hug. But he was also unstable and not safe for you during those times. Would you agree with this?

    Yes. Interesting though, to get to the safe place, a hug, I did different things with my dad than with N. With my dad I would say something to make him feel empathy for me, in those moments I would bring up what I was dealing with in life at that time. For example he got upset with me for being too messy (as he did often) after leaving a very small thing out of order, or leaving my homework on the counter. He would confront me and I would feel so bad, apologize, then would bring up something bad that had happened between me and my mom that was affecting me emotionally. He would empathize with me then the space would feel much safer to me. With N, first of all he would never be the one to confront me. I was always initiating the conversations about how we felt. He would be passive aggressive so I would tell him his behavior was making me sad, and ask him why he was behaving that way, if it was something I had done, to which he rarely had an answer for. Usually gaslighting me telling me my intuition about his passive aggression was wrong. This was that emotional discomfort with him, the moment I wanted to erase what I had said to begin with and skip to a hug, so I usually would. How long before I caved would vary, but usually I would just drop it to feel emotional safety again. He rewarded me for dropping it.. rewarded with warmth and closeness.

    So then my solution is to learn to be calm during confrontation and not feel emotionally unsafe. Why do I feel emotionally unsafe, how do I self regulate my emotions in those moments.. ?

    I think the difficulty is to stay present when triggered during a disagreement. It takes a lot of practice and willingness to be vulnerable, being open to be hurt, but at the same time trust that the other person doesn’t want to hurt you.

    I read this after I wrote the above. Staying present sounds painful. I am calm now though and still feel like N wanted to hurt me. Like he was punishing me for not being a certain way. How he handled the breakup certainly supports that. Do you think people act out of character when in pain of a breakup, or that it in fact reveals some of their personality? I am wondering because I wonder if my not trusting him was about me or about him. Same with my dad, if not trusting him was about me or him. Do I have trust issues with everyone or just those who are actually untrustworthy.

     

    I celebrated fourth of July by spending time with friends outside, watching other people’s fireworks!

    Ditto, I enjoy talking to you as well! I am doing good, I am trying to juggle my internal healing while still taking care of things in the outside world. I wish cars, money, housing and food weren’t necessities haha. How have you been? and your baby, doing much better now?

    Seaturtle

    seaturtle
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    Dear Anita,

    Thank you for your thoughts. I want to heal my wound and thank you for your exercise recommendation. I will start it today.

     

    Seaturtle

    seaturtle
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    Anita,

    “And why, you might ask, did I not join the festivities? Because I have Covid, 3rd day now (Covid face emoji, if there is such an emoji).”

    As I read your message I thought your fourth of July sounded wonderful. I saw many eagles when I was visiting the PNW recently. And it must not have been too hot where you were because I was outside on the fourth and it was hard to not constantly think about the heat. I am so sorry you have covid. How are you feeling today?

     

    Seaturtle

    seaturtle
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    Dear Helcat,

    “I think it is apt because sea turtles are peaceful, gentle souls, they live to a long age which represents wisdom. They are adventurous and free spirited. You share all of these qualities. 😊

    I like all those things! Thank you 🙂

    “You might not feel it and see it as much yet. But since you first message you’ve grown a lot. You’re still the same awesome person, but you are trusting your intuition more and finding your voice. It’s lovely to see. Long may it continue!”

    Cheers to this. On my recent trip home I also had some family members tell me similar things. That they see growth happening.

    I don’t want this to let me avoid being in another relationship, but I have this new fear that came along with the positive growth, and it is that I will lose myself in a relationship again. But that would have to mean I stop listening to my intuition again, so my solution has been to really get in line with my intuition so I don’t ignore it repetitively, again. Relationships create a barrier between me and my intuition.. I wonder why this is and if it is possible to get my intuition to always be at my forefront.. ?

    Anita, I’d also love your thoughts on this!

     

    “Ah well Buddhism has a great deal to say about attachment. I would recommend looking into that side of it as well. I’m sure you’ll have lots of fun.”

    I will thanks for the recommendation.

    “It is honestly very hard to maintain a warm demeanour in difficult situations especially with people that aren’t necessarily trusted.”

    I have an intuition question. When we don’t trust someone, how do we tell if it is because of our own trauma or it is our intuition?

    I actually have similar difficulties. For me, it’s the feeling of vulnerability that I don’t like. I feel very soft and squishy during disagreements, easily hurt. I used to think that the only way to protect myself was to emotionally distance myself from the situation.”

    This is how I feel in hard conversations with a loved one as well. It’s strange, it’s like there is a part of me that really wants to skip to the end of the conversation and hug. But I cannot accept a hug during the disagreement, I feel repulsed by closeness, but I love closeness so I get irritated that I feel that way. I would get upset with N because he (the situation with him) made me feel repulsed by closeness, yet I knew that is all I really needed/wanted. I think it was this contradiction that was the most painful part, and I wanted out of that space so badly, and so did he, that we didn’t truly finish many disagreements and instead skipped to the end.

    “I read something that basically said that if you approach a relationship with negativity it will not heal. Whereas if you approach a relationship with positivity, the person will be inspired by your character and respond in kind. Not entirely true. But that is what ancient Chinese philosophy is like. 😂

    It is certainly optimistic. If only positivity was all it took to heal a relationship.

    Did you have a good fourth of July?

    Seaturtle

    seaturtle
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    Dear Helcat,

    I wrote a response to you that is “awaiting moderation,” I am not sure why! But just so you know 🙂

    Seaturtle

    seaturtle
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    Dear Anita,

    “When you don’t reply to me for an couple of weeks, I think that you don’t have a desire to talk to me, or you have the desire to not talk to me. At times I felt a bit hurt, a bit angry.”

    I appreciate your honesty. I am sorry you have felt that way. Those certainly aren’t my reasons, I think about you often as I would a close friend. I think the struggle is it is a long distance friendship. If we met in person I am sure we would talk for a few hours, back and forth, the same amount we get across in several days here. I don’t have anyone else I talk to virtually like this or for that matter have a need to open my computer more than once a week. Last summer when we spoke daily, I was on my computer daily for work. I suspected you feeling a certain way and just wanted to avoid any built up feelings because I would like to stay friends! You are important to me.

    “When you say “silent and cold”, you mean silently hurt and angry?”

    I would say silently hurt for sure, I wouldn’t say “angry” it was more like disappointment and frustration that he didn’t have more care for my feelings. Because he knew it bothered me when he answered the phone while we were spending planned time together, but he preferred answering the phone to my feelings. That was an issue in general was him repeating things after I had already told him they hurt my feelings, like answering the phone, being late or smoking with our roommate as I fell asleep alone.

    “– wait, these are your words or mine (all of it, with warmth substituting the feeling of being ALIVE (my words).. ?”

    I was using your words to help me express mine 🙂 the layout of what you said and content had alot of similarities to me so I thought it would be a helpful exercise for me. I bolded the words that I changed for my experience.

    “you are mentally healthier following the breakup, congrats!!!”

    Thank you 🙂

    Did you celebrate the fourth of July yesterday? if so what did you do?

     

    Seaturtle

    seaturtle
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    Dear Anita,

    To your June 17th post,

    I do wonder how much I have in common with an actual seaturtle. And yes, I very intentionally have time before having my own hatchlings. I want to make sure I am swimming in the correct direction, to the right beach.

    Seaturtle

    seaturtle
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    Hello Anita,

    I miss the time where we frequently talked, I feel bad that my schedule, since then has made my responses less frequent. Does this make you feel badly? When I am not on the site for a couple weeks, does it make you feel like I am selfish, using you, or cold?

    Also I apologize for my horribly grammatical phone message here a couple weeks ago. I won’t use my phone again because my autocorrect changed some words and it is just a small typing platform, but you did great with it!

     

    To your post June 12th

    “Let me ask you first: did you behave coldly and selfishly with him- Sometimes? Often? Rarely? Never?”

    Not never. I was cold when I felt cold. There were rare occasions where he would do something, and I would then be so bothered (like picking up the phone mid conversation). And after he did it, I found myself feeling cold, infact I disliked the feeling so much I almost wanted to just pretend not being cold, but as you know, I display my authentic feelings and in those moments I went silent and cold, while being kind and straight forward. I am glad you asked me this question so I could reflect, him calling me cold sometimes is accurate.

    June 13th you wrote:

    “…my true self was loving and trusting and felt ALIVE, but then, it was terribly abused by my mother, twisted into knots and generally emptied of the feeling of being ALIVE”

    It is helpful for me to hear about your experiences as it helps me express mine. For me ‘my true self was warm, but then was terribly abused, twisted into knots and generally emptied of the feeling of warmth. Leading to me feeling cold. My dad was also paranoid and emotionally detached from me, angry at me.. And I also feel it created and angry, judgemental and misguided loyalty. Everyone hurt him so I hated everyone including myself. All with the purpose of his acceptance, “togetherness.”

    “The danger he saw was that ‘through this false self, the infant builds up a false set of relationships, and by means of introjections even attains a show of being real’, while, in fact, merely concealing a barren emptiness behind an independent-seeming façade”. “

    After reading about false selves being created by needy parents who deprive their child’s spontaneity, I am tracing back to times I remember feeling my spontaneity was shut down, and times my parents were needy. I am trying to put together how/ which experiences I went through created this “barren emptiness.” It honestly feels like I have only been out of this “show of being real,” since I was 20 years old. I certainly had people and moments I was real with, but through my childhood I remember very clearly feeling like my real self was too awkward to be, so I just behaved like what I thought would blend in, or be accepted. When I started dating in fact, at about 20, I promised myself to be my real self. But I was out of practice. There are parts of my real self that I have not been comfortable to be around certain people. In the past few years I have challenged myself to really be myself, but it is delicate and if rejected too much I put it back on the shelf.. I felt the majority of my real self was rejected and judged by N. It is making me wonder if he only appeared to accept me in the beginning, then when he got tired it started to show that he didn’t anymore.. why would this happen? There is no question I did my best to show him me, and did not receive that from him. I honestly don’t think I ever saw his truest self, either him hiding it or not even knowing it himself..  It is out of the relationship, the past 6 months that I have been able to be my real self, I am not afraid to be rejected by new people and find it so exciting to find people who are real with me. That attitude has lead me to new relationships with new people and even some family members. If you’d like to ignore the note I made connecting this to my relationship with N I would completely understand, I almost deleted it wondering if it was only redundant and shouldn’t let myself be so curious about him the relationship still.

    Seaturtle

    seaturtle
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    Dear Anita,

    Can I just say that “This is the first time EVER that I am typing a post using my phone, I don’t know how to copy and paste. Or how to find an exclamation mark, etc. Nonetheless, this is history in the making, znd it is done on your thread.” is my favorite message of yours I have ever read 😂

     

    Seaturtle

    seaturtle
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    Oh my gosh Anita! I have not yet read the messages, but I saw emojis on your post and I was so excited!

    Seaturtle

    seaturtle
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    Dear Anita,

    “…surrendering to what I cannot change, which first takes SEEING that which I don’t like (and cannot change). Connecting this to N, maybe you can add Surrender to the list of the stages of a breakup that you wrote about in your journal entry (May 13).”

    I agree, surrendering takes seeing what you don’t like, which is the sacrifice to seeing things as they actually are. I have certainly been attempting to surrender to the stages of grieving a breakup. Surrender without letting it take me over. I feel like it has taken me over a couple times.

    “Seeing him clearly and then surrendering to the truth of what you see…seeing him clearly is seeing that he didn’t see you…He told you that he loved you, but he can’t tell you who.. you are.”

    You are so wise with your words. I think what Helcat said describes what has been holding me back from fully surrendering to this truth: “And people with empathy listen and reflect, wondering if that person was right when we are told something cruel. Particularly so, when there is underlying trauma that the message aligns with.” There is part of me that thinks if I surrender that he couldn’t see me completely, then I am ignorant to the thought that I have problem I need to fix.. I give attention to cruel things he said, especially things that underlying trauma aligns with. Him calling me selfish, cold and that I made him feel used. Those are things my father also told me. I don’t want to be those things, do you think those could be false selves? Because if they are, then he saw them.. What do you think about the concept of the people we meet in life are mirrors into ourselves? I don’t like my reflection looking at him, does that make it wrong?

    “Seaturtle, authoring a book one day, with a title like People who don’t See the Ones they claim to Love: The Hope for healing Human Blindness. Something like that.”

    I love this. I hope I exert great things into this universe that can reach and help others.

    “(1) he did not see you enough, partly because he is stoned much of the time, and (2) your craving to be seen has been intense, and when you felt unseen, you overreacted, emotionally and often, behaviorally as well (the overreaction started at the very beginning of the relationship with N, on the 3rd date; it’s not a reaction to who N is, it’s something you brought with you into the relationship).”

    Yes I believe this is all true and I agree is something for me to further process with therapy. I feel close to finding a therapist. In fact this morning I had a serendipitous moment where I met someone, hopefully a new friend. I was staring into the sun with my eyes closed, outside a cafe, cause I had just read that that can improve your nights sleep. When I opened my eyes he was smiling at me and I explained what I was doing. We ended up in this very high conscious level conversation. He brought up how helpful his therapist has been and I mentioned my search for one. He ended up telling me she helps him process blockages and recommended her to me! Maybe it is right, maybe not, but I do think I am approaching a therapist. 🙂

    Seaturtle

    seaturtle
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    Helcat,

    I forgot to respond to your question “I don’t know if you felt like you were thinking about the relationship when you didn’t want to?”

    The answer is yes. I have also felt myself talking about it here and with others when I haven’t truly wanted to. But I recently heard something from a book that stuck with me, the author said he asks himself ‘would you rather know what your mind has to say or have the opportunity to experience an absence of the personal mind.’ From it I created a sort of mantra I have been repeating to myself when thoughts of the relationships come or an urge to speak it comes, I say in my mind ‘I would rather experience a quiet mind than go down all these mind trails and visions of “what if this, what if that.” ‘ In the book the author pointed out that what our personal mind is yapping about is statistically insignificant because it is based on so many “what ifs.”

    Seaturtle

    seaturtle
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    Dear Helcat,

    “There are people in life who just become part of the cycle of generational trauma and there are people who choose to heal, grow past it and find their own way”

    I know exactly what you are saying. I definitely had an opportunity to stay asleep but made the decision I would rather see things as they are. I realize that this has pros and cons, a pro is wisdom but a con is taking on the generational trauma for your whole lineage. I want to surround myself with these “rare” types of souls, as like a support group. Some days are certainly harder than others.

    “And people with empathy listen and reflect, wondering if that person was right when we are told something cruel. Particularly so, when there is underlying trauma that the message aligns with.”

    This sentences touches me. There is still a lot of underlying trauma I have, that does interact with my empathy and creates some self doubt.

    “Whereas with a stranger there is no expectation, no attachment”

    I have been interested in this concept of “detachment” lately. It’s a new concept to me, from google:

    • Emotional detachment: Letting go of emotional dependency on others without becoming cold or indifferent. It can involve finding a balance where you can care for someone without losing yourself. Signs of emotional detachment include avoiding people or situations, difficulty empathizing, and feeling disconnected. While it can be a positive coping mechanism, it can become problematic if it affects your ability to form healthy relationships.

    The first two sentences seem positive, but the rest seems negative. I think this is a place I have been teetering in. I have been called “cold” by the people that I do in fact intend to distance myself from. Like F, my friend P and N. N is gone, but the other two are very much in my life. It is difficult when F or P do, like you said, “make the odd comment that brings up old trauma… a lot of space is needed and maintaining contact is a sacrifice emotionally”

     “I think it’s important to use your judgment to see if you think something is right or not.”

    I want my own judgement to be stronger.

    I love the rambles! haha.

    “.. when we resist something we give it a lot of importance in our mind. The more painful, the more “important”,…I don’t know if you felt like you were thinking about the relationship when you didn’t want to?”

    I agree, the more uncomfortable, the bigger of a samskara it is. The bigger blockage it is, the more it is preventing us from feeling the full flow of chi and shakti energy.

    “I also find that people who walk their dogs are especially kind”

    hahaha, I don’t come across those people in my day to day but I don’t doubt it. And yes, I love when you meet the type of older person that is still laughing and STILL open minded.

    “While I was reflecting on the specialness of Seaturtle it made me realise that the name is so apt!”

    I wonder, would you share with me why you see it as apt? 🙂

    Seaturtle

    seaturtle
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    Dear Anita,

    “I miss our chakras talks, our meetings of crown chakras.”

    I miss these too! I just finished re-listening to the book “Living from a place of Surrender,” it helps me to come back to a witness-conscious mind rather than be consumed by thoughts –> feelings. I always hear new things when I listen to it. Yesterday I heard, when you feel alone, the solution is not another person. You feel this way because your heart chakra is blocked and cannot receive the proper amount of energy (chi) to feel whole. I feel like I am on a constant journey, doing my best, to relax and release these blockages. The book said these blockages are uncomfortable to let go, because they were stored with pain and discomfort.

    Something N said to me, that was very uncomfortable for me to hear, was that he had seen me strong earlier in our relationship and never saw her again. My discomfort makes me feel like there is a false belief blocking one of my chakras, a false self that is weak/tired.  He speaks in extremes and only of surface level events (as opposed to deeper reasons why, or how). For this reason I don’t take what he says at face value, but he revealed to me a tip of an iceberg and it allowed me to go deeper. The time he spoke of I was very strong (just like my true self is). I was not afraid, I had a deep sense of comfort as we went through something very scary, but from deep within me a courage surfaced that protected us both. He even said I was stronger than him through that trial. I began to wonder where that version of me went. I want to be her always. At the time I remember having a sense of trust that things would work out in a way that we could handle. I knew we were both doing the best we possibly could. I felt like N relied on my blind faith and allowed it to make him hopeful as well. His belief in me, fueled me even more. I want a partner who believes in me always, not just when he truly has nowhere else to turn. It made me realize I wasn’t relied on in our relationship. I was not given vulnerability and he did not have confidence in my faith on a day to day. By faith I mean my ability to make good decisions from a centered place and my confidence that my best was enough and the right things would find there way to me in the right time. There were many big decisions like buying a house a getting a roommate (in Seattle before we even moved here) that he did not ask for my advice on. He welcomed work partners, people I told him my intuition didn’t like.. he didn’t take my gut seriously. Both his roommates were untrustworthy people and he didn’t trust my initial analysis.

    Another thing I learned from our recent talk was that he just doesn’t truly respect women. He literally said that women have it easier in life, are handed things that men aren’t. Kept telling me all I wanted was some man with money, “only girls can just do nothing and go travel and have stuff.” “You never brought any logic to our relationship.” In the beginning of our relationship he mentioned not liking his mom. I didn’t know this was a red flag at the time but now I do, it’s not just his mom he doesn’t like. It is as if he wanted me masculine like him. When I was so consumed with wonder about if he even saw me, asking him what made me special. My fears were right, he did not like what made me, me.

    My true self is intuitive, sensitive, fearless and feminine. I don’t mean feminine as the gender, but as the essence of me soul. I am not logos I am pathos. I am not power/control oriented, I am a learner and a teacher. I am not type A, I don’t enjoy competitive energy, I prefer team building. I feel like both my father and N, showed me a reflection of myself that was my weakest self. They show me my false selves.. I never want to be what they see. If I stare at their reflection of me for too long, it is as if I start to identify with the false self in front of me, becoming tired, weak, and unwise.

    “This was/ is my true self: trusting, loving and beautiful.”

    I agree you are certainly these things!

    ” My false selves: (1) the angry self, angry at all the people my mother was angry with (everyone, sooner or later), (2) the suspicious, distrusting self, suspicious and distrusting of.. everyone, sooner or later, (3) the unintelligent, inattentive self = a reaction-self: a reaction to significant/ severe abuse, (4) the helpless, hopeless self, again: a reaction to abuse, (5) the ugly self, the self that wronged others… (6) the inferior self, inferior to my peers/ people, (7) the superior self, the other side of the same (# 6) coin. ”

    I feel like this is a very powerful paragraph that I am sure took a lot of strength to think about and write. I identify with parts of them as well.

     

    ” Thank you for being part of this self-freeing process.”

    And may this process keep happening for us both!

    Seaturtle

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