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December 26, 2025 at 12:53 pm #453378
TeeParticipantHi Alessa,
Progressive muscle relaxation or similar techniques are seen as stressful for the body.
He’s actually a big fan of massage and self massage too.
To me it seems a bit counter-intuitive that progressive muscle relaxation is considered stressful on the body, while massage is not. I’ve just looked it up and haven’t found that PMR would be stressful on the body…? Are there some online resources where it is explained?
December 26, 2025 at 12:23 pm #453376
TeeParticipantHi Alessa,
My TCM acupuncturist says the same thing. Forcing muscles to relax is not the same thing as genuinely relaxing.
How do you force the muscles to relax? You mean by various devices, like a massage gun? Or perhaps by pressing certain acupuncture points, which cause the muscles to relax but the person is still holding the tension in their body (e.g. they are holding their breath)? And so it’s not true relaxation… Is that what you had in mind?
December 26, 2025 at 12:14 pm #453375
TeeParticipantHi James,
Mine was congenital heart problem.
Oh I see. I’m sorry, James. May I ask if you knew about it before, or it came unexpectedly?
The core of stress is expectations. For instance, you eat healthy, work out and did exactly what is main media says about “living healthy” and you have car accident and get paralyzed. Won’t it be more suffering for you, because you did everything right, yet everything turned out to be unexpected way?
Sure, there is always a possibility of an accident or an emergency, which throws all our plans out of the window, or messes up with our life in a major way. But should we stop brushing our teeth, just because we might have an accident some day?
You know what I mean? The two isn’t really related to each other…
But am I hearing you right that you were doing everything “by the book” (perhaps related to your health?), and then you had this heart emergency anyway? And you feel it was all in vain?
December 26, 2025 at 11:09 am #453372
TeeParticipantHi James,
As i say, wanting or not wanting is already controlling. To do something try to protect to heart is more stress to heart.
Really interesting view, James. On Oct 10 you wrote something similar:
the biggest health problem is stress, including that “I am eating healthy, running and taking care of myself”. Even this, is so much stress on body.
That’s a pretty radical view: that even doing good things for your body can be a cause of stress.
But I can see how it might be true: if one is afraid that if they don’t do everything perfectly, like eat the perfectly healthy food, exercise perfectly, follow some healthy routine perfectly – they’ll mess it up. That really can be a cause of stress. Perfectionism and obsession with doing everything right is definitely a cause of stress.
Still, I would argue that eating reasonably healthy, exercising moderately, having healthy habits (but not obsessing about sticking to them perfectly) can actually help our body. Because it does matter what we eat (if we only eat junk food, our body will feel it after a while…). So I guess moderation is the key, as with everything.
The one who had surgery wasn’t me, it was the body.
James, I don’t want to ask intrusive questions, but still, I’d like to better understand, since we’re talking about the impact of stress on the body. Do you think that stress might have contributed to the onset of your heart condition, or it was caused by a different cause? I read that in young people, it’s not really caused by stress, but could be congenital or an infection. Again, please disregard if you find this intrusive.
December 26, 2025 at 9:50 am #453370
TeeParticipantHi James,
Controlling the body is cause of stress. Jumping purposely top of the mountain is an example of controlling the body either.
I’m curious about your opinion: are controlled and deliberate body movements in tai chi and yoga also a cause of stress?
What i am saying, how it breathes or heart beat itself, let it walk, talk and write like that.
James, I was wondering about your medical condition, and I hope I am not intruding with these questions. But you said that you had an open heart surgery and have a mechanical valve and a pacemaker. I wonder if you have any physical limitations due to your condition?
I can also imagine (but this may only be my assumption) that you might not want to cause any unnecessary stress to yourself, to make your heart condition worse? So perhaps the way you look at the body is partly influenced by the medical condition you have? Please disregard these questions if you don’t feel comfortable talking about it.
December 26, 2025 at 6:58 am #453359
TeeParticipantHi James,
The reason of stress is controlling, isn’t it?
yes, controlling people, outcomes, having expectations, trying to control things that are outside of our sphere of influence. Not meeting our own (or someone else’s expectations), stuffing down our emotions, being a people pleaser, not expressing how we truly feel and what we really want, etc etc…
İf you surrendered the body to Amy outcome, how can you be in stress or “you” there?
Well, stress doesn’t come from controlling the body per se. I mean, you don’t want to throw yourself down the mountain and surrender to the outcome. If I have mobility issues, I need to take care not to burden my knees too much, because it will cause worsening of my pain afterwards. So I need to control my body in some situations.
But control of the body is not the primary cause of stress, is it? It is our emotions, our anxiety, our fears, our anger if things don’t go our way… it is our reactions to life that cause us stress.
And all that stress can manifest in the body in form of a disease…
December 26, 2025 at 6:46 am #453356
TeeParticipantDear Anita,
I’m happy that you found some good tips to calm down Bogart’s anxiety, and that Alessa, as an experienced dog mom, has plenty of useful advice 😊
I hope that it’s just a phase and he will adapt, little by little, and that you’ll be able to take him both to the taproom and your daily walk 🤞
This never occurred to me, Tee, before I read your input right here, on this Christmas Eve 2025.
Yeah, I’ve never thought of a narcissist being on a pedestal before, but I’ve read that they are jealous of others, and so they have a need to elevate themselves, to feel superior. So equality is not possible, unfortunately…
You too are and have been doing a monumental job reversing the old programming, and having done this work yourself, you’re able to help me.
And I’m happy to be able to do that, even if growing up with such a mother and soaking in those negative messages was pretty dreary. And yeah, it left long-lasting consequences. But, we learn until we die, and we can rise above the old programming… I’m happy we both are doing it! 🤞 🙏
Wishing you a pleasant walk in the snow with Bogart! Perhaps this will be his first snow, so I’m sure quite an experience for him (but as the advice said, take it easy, so he doesn’t get overwhelmed – sorry, just repeating Copilot’s advice, not pretending I know anything about dog keeping 😊) 🐾 🤍
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December 26, 2025 at 2:24 am #453354
TeeParticipantHi James,
Psychedelic retreats was at 2018 and a year retreat was at 2020.
Thanks for clarifying. So you didn’t use psychedelics during that year…
I didn’t not actually suffer a lot. I had just a crazy life, modelling, money, woman etc… Yet at some point, there wasn’t any happiness. Heart surgery just opened the gate.
I can understand that that kind of life is not fulfilling and you wanted more purpose in life.
You are just the stressor of the body. Body can live way longer without you. Stress is the biggest enemy of the body.
So we agree. Stress, i.e. the mind, can affect the body… So you do believe we can actually affect the body (for the worse, basically), don’t you?
So when you say “Body is it’s own. There is no one in control.”- it’s not quite true, because we can affect the body. The body can get sick because of us worrying too much, stuffing down our emotions, getting too stressed about things… I think both of us are saying the same?
Saying all the things as love or i love you etc… İ am not here for over reacting or supposing. İ said just peace, because just peace.
I hope you do feel peace in your life.
December 26, 2025 at 1:00 am #453350
TeeParticipantHi James,
Body is it’s own. There is no one in control.
I understand this is something you strongly believe. Which is actually pretty amazing, because we use our voluntary muscles to move around and do physical activities – we’re not puppets on a string whom someone else is moving around. Also, it has been proven and experienced by many people that stress and our mindset can actually cause disease in the body (psychosomatic diseases).
It is true that our body has the wisdom of its own, involuntary muscles that contract and relax, internal organs that work without our direct control. So that too is true. However, we do have influence over our body and our health.
Anyway, I don’t want to keep arguing and trying to convince you of that. I am glad that you’ve recovered from your heart surgery relatively quickly. I assume this would cause you to feel grateful to the body for recovering so quickly?
At the same, perhaps you were blaming yourself (your mind) for causing you health problems in the first place? For being attached to the wrong things? Because you said that after the heart surgery, you desperately wanted to find the truth (After my heart surgery (even if i recover very quickly), i just had to find what is the Truth. So, i dedicated myself to find it no matter what.) So perhaps you felt like before the surgery, you were living a lie?
And then you started your quest for truth, doing psychedelic retreats in darkness and silence:
İ did, 3 months psychedelic retreats within darkness and silence.
I think you wrote about it in your poem in September: that you were desperately trying to find enlightenment, but you were slipping ever further from the truth (Sept 9):
Poor James. He tried so hard. Tried to be good. Tried to be strong. Tried to be someone.
He read the books. Sat in meditation. Chased enlightenment like a hungry man chasing a shadow on the wall.
But the more he sought, the farther he felt.
Poor James. He thought awakening was a prize.
That God was a goal.
That peace would come if he just tried a little harder, fixed a little more, understood a little deeper.Is this what you felt while in those retreats with psychedelics? You were chasing enlightenment, but it wouldn’t come, and you felt even further from the truth?
In fact, I can understand why you might have felt it, because psychedelics can mess up with one’s head and lead to a period of mental instability, hallucinations and even psychosis (I myself have never tried any mind-altering drugs, but I’ve heard stories about it). Anyway, I can imagine why it didn’t take you where you wanted to go – towards enlightenment.
You say you felt that the mystical experiences you had under the influence of psychedelics were of the mind (so still not the truth), and so you prolonged your retreat to last a full year:
İ did, 3 months psychedelic retreats within darkness and silence. But, somehow i knew that these amazing mystical experiences are still belongs to body and mind. Therefore, i did 1 year retreat.
In those remaining 9 months, did you still use psychedelics?
It seems you wanted to get rid of the mind’s influence, the ego, which is cool. But God and our True Self is often found through the heart, actually…
Like Anita, I too feel like you want us to accept your experience as the absolute truth. And you have a strong need to convince us, being pretty intense in your message.
I think this points to a certain attachment, even if you’re speaking of dropping all attachments.
You end your every post with “Peace”, but to be honest, it doesn’t seem you have found peace in your experience. Because you have the urge to convince us…
Perhaps there is a part of you that is still unsure about it? And so you need to convince us, to remove that doubt?
December 25, 2025 at 12:16 pm #453332
TeeParticipantHi James,
İ am not saying that “oh don’t care about anyone because you don’t exist”. All i am saying that investigate the mind, which is you, who says oh i don’t care because I don’t exist, or Anita says this is nihilism etc…
All i am saying this, watch the mind, who says these sentences. İnternal dialogue / mind is not you and doesn’t belong to you. İt is just a mind and body function.
Let me ask you, James: who is engaging with us on this forum? Who is thinking these thoughts, arranging them into sentences, and then writing them down? If it’s not James, who is it? God? Nothing?
December 25, 2025 at 11:30 am #453329
TeeParticipantHi James,
You can not feel the love, because, you are linked with fears, which are holdings.
When I feel love for the beautiful nature around me, I don’t feel fear since I can’t lose it (since I don’t possess it)… and yet I feel love. Love isn’t necessarily linked with fear. It is me (a part of God’s creation) loving nature (another part of God’s creation). Someone loving something or someone.
But love of course can be associated with fear. We can fear losing the person we love, being jealous of others who might “take away” the person we love. We can love someone who doesn’t love us back, and we suffer because of it. We might fear we’ll never find anybody who will truly love us. All kinds of fears are related to love, or what we think love is.
However, there is healthy and unhealthy attachment. Healthy attachment (which is also called a healthy emotional bond between people) is not antithetical to love. Unhealthy attachment to people and things – driven by all kinds of ego fears – is not true love.
You seem to believe that all attachment is bad and antithetical to love. So it’s better not to care about anybody: İmagine that there is no one to protect or nothing that belongs to you, what could be better than that?
But that’s throwing the baby out with the dirty bathwater: throwing away healthy attachment too, so you wouldn’t feel hurt by love. BTW, the people we love don’t belong to us. True love isn’t possessive. True love lets the beloved be free.
Here is a quote I like: “Where there is control, or perception of control, there is not love. Love only exists where there is freedom.”
I’m curious about your thoughts on this?
December 25, 2025 at 9:05 am #453325
TeeParticipantHi James,
About experience of meditation that, when recognition happened that any experience belongs to body and mind, therefore no one to there to claim. James is dead. Therefore, Body feels pain yet there is no one to suffer. And that’s what Love is.
Oh James, I wish I could erase the physical pain in my body simply by telling myself that I don’t exist. Well, I can’t… the thought, the idea, that I don’t exist, doesn’t erase the physical pain of a broken bone, or a worn-out cartilage in the knee.
I can pretend that pain is neutral to me, or that it’s even enjoyable, but that would be lying to myself. Because there is someone who is feeling that pain, who is receiving the sensations (nerve impulses) coming from the body to the brain. And someone who is observing that pain.
Come to think of it, the pain is gone only in 3 cases: 1) the body heals, 2) you take strong medicine/sedatives that take away the pain temporarily, 3) you die (physically, not metaphysically). I’ve just looked it up: even people in wheelchair often feel pain in their limbs (so-called nerve pain), even if they can’t use their legs.
Anyway, if my body is hurting, I can’t pretend I’m not suffering, even though I can reduce my suffering by various means, including self-suggestion and positive thinking. In Buddhism, there is a term “the second arrow of suffering”, which means that we can make our pain worse (be it physical or emotional pain) by catastrophizing and interpreting the events in a non-favorable way, which only increases our suffering. So if we keep telling ourselves that our situation is hopeless and beyond repair, our pain is likely to increase.
If I understood you well, you say that Love is when you tell yourself that you don’t exist (Body feels pain yet there is no one to suffer. And that’s what Love is).
Pretty strange definition of love… Because love is a relational phenomenon… God loves his creation (a tree, a flower, animals, humans…). A mother loves her child. A person loves their beloved.
Love is about relation. So I can’t really wrap my head around the idea that God-as-Nothing would love Me-as-Nothing? Or am I not understanding you correctly?
December 25, 2025 at 3:42 am #453313
TeeParticipantHi James,
But dogma, ideology does.
You’re right. Even the ideology that there is nothing, that God is “total disappearing”:
The reason Being, God or Godhead cannot be claimed is simple: the so-called Godhead or God is total disappearing. There is no “me,” no experience, no awareness, no being, no life, no consciousness, no body, no universe, no state, no enlightenment, no mind, nothing at all exists there.
God is the Creator, James. From the singular consciousness, worlds are created. Including me and you. I’m sorry you’re insisting on nothingness, which is indeed nihilism.
I understand that you felt something akin to disappearing in your meditations, but these meditations happened, as Anita said, under extreme conditions, you living in darkness for an entire year, and spending 8-10 hours per day meditating.
I would love to hear more about how you came to the decision to spend a year in darkness… because it is a pretty radical one. I would like to hear more about your process.
I also understand that you went through some pretty tough medical trauma, and that you now feel lucky to be able to breathe (My celebration is breathing.). I know that, because I myself have debilitating health issues, perhaps not life-threatening like yours, but very limiting and causing me slip into hopelessness pretty regularly (but then I bounce back). So I understand when you say “life is suffering”…
Anyway, I’d like to talk about the issues you’re facing, but would not like to subscribe to the idea of nothingness that you’re advocating. I hope we can remain in conversation.
Best wishes to you!
December 24, 2025 at 8:24 am #453287
TeeParticipantHi Alessa,
thank you for sharing with me more about your mother and why she chose to seek help. Yeah, it doesn’t seem it was for the right reasons, I mean she didn’t seek help because she was dangerous to her children but to herself. But the good part is that the authorities were informed and you eventually started going to therapy, and so the ball started rolling…
I understand your feelings about her not wanting to admit what she did and just giving you a general apology “for whatever she might have done wrong that she doesn’t remember”. I guess a part of her didn’t even want to admit it to herself.
It’s interesting she was discussing what you did to protect yourself from SA with her friend… was it because she wanted to paint you in a bad light, maybe prove that you were aggressive or rebellious with her, without disclosing what actually caused that aggression?
When I was a child I just hated my mother and recognised that I was becoming like her. I didn’t want to become like her. She told me that I was just like her. I tried my best to change as much as I could.
You definitely have changed a lot – you’ve changed yourself and you’ve changed the outcomes for your son! You can be really proud of yourself!! ❤️
And I think your mother was sort of brainwashing you into believing that you were just like her, when you were nothing like. You were a caring sister who was taking her of her little brother at the tender age of 4 or 5, if I remember well, while your mother was depriving you of food, for example.
I think telling those things to you was a way for her to feel better about herself and put you down. I’m glad she didn’t manage you convince you that your destiny will be the same as hers. You’ve risen above your trauma and are trailblazing a new path… it’s pretty remarkable ✨ ❤️
I am glad that your son got a place in a nursery that you prefer, even if it will happen a few months later. But as you said, it will give you more time to mentally prepare for the idea, and even do the potty training. 👍 It’s cute that he is showing more and more interest in the potty and was even sitting on it willingly. That’s a great development, proud mama Alessa! 😊
It is a difficult position to be in with the damaging effects of constant verbal abuse are only recently being acknowledged and previously constantly dismissed. Gaslighting, to the extreme. No one deserves to suffer alone. I’m glad that you fought for yourself to get through it all.
Yes, it’s insidious because the child feels sorry for their sad mother and wants to help her, and then feels bad for not being able to cheer her up. That part is perhaps the most damaging because it gives you a sense of hopelessness and helplessness, which later spills into other areas of life.
So it’s very soul-crushing… and I wasn’t even aware of this hopeless part of me until I’ve started experiencing chronic health problem, particularly loss of mobility. 😕 And it’s still hard to deal with, but at least now I know that the hopelessness is almost a conditioned response, it stems from my childhood. And I can counter it by working with my inner child…
I’m glad you liked the resources about somatic tracking – I hope it will help you with chronic pain issues. And yes, it was a revelation for me too that just stress in itself can cause physical symptoms (such as lower back pain or neck pain), even though there is no actual physical injury.
But where there is an actual injury, it’s very tricky, because usually we think that the increase in pain means that the physical condition is worsening too, e.g. a bulge getting worse, which then brings the fear of surgery and other catastrophizing thoughts.
It was a huge relief for me to learn that back pain can get worse due to stress (muscle contractions) and sensitization of nerve endings. And so more pain doesn’t necessarily mean that I’m in a greater danger. The solution is to simply wait it out, till the flare is gone, and things will get better… anyway, you know all that, having been living with chronic pain yourself. 🫂 But it’s good, as long at it’s manageable! 🤞 🙏
Merry Christmas to you once again!! ✨ 🎄 ❤️
December 24, 2025 at 3:54 am #453277
TeeParticipantDear Anita,
I haven’t yet commented on the lies your mother was telling you, sending you the message that you were totally bad, that you deserved her abuse, and that you’re even badder if you try to oppose it or dare to criticize her for abusing you.
In yet other words: I was expected to look down at the floor as she shamed and guilt-tripped me at great lengths; hit, kicked, punched me and NEVER, EVER express- in any way )not even in a look in my face)- anything but TOTAL ADMIRATION for her goodness. Which meant, unquestionable acceptance of my badness.
Yes, a narcissistic person would think in those terms: there is no way they can be bad, under no conditions. Even if they abuse you, they are right, you are wrong. They are the victim, you are the perpetrator 😕
Her message: You (Anita) have wronged me from the moment you were born (bridge birth, low-weight baby, refusing to nurse.. milk duct infection of young mother). You’ve been BAD from your very beginning, wronging the BEST MOTHER IN THE WORLD (her words, “best..)”
Right, she was accusing you for being born prematurely, for her getting duct infection… not thinking for a second that perhaps the stress which you’ve experienced in utero, perhaps even the stress and trauma of her bulimia (or anorexia) could have contributed to any of those problems…
So, her narrative was always this: “I am the best; you are the worst; I’ve always been victim; you all are perpetrators”.
Yes, the covert narcissist narrative: they are the greatest victim, and if you dare to question it, you’re the perpetrator…
It’s good that you’re seeing those things so clearly now, Anita. You really can see through the lies of this narrative, the lies that your mother conditioned you with.
In regard to her message, “you all are perpetrators”- I tried to be on her side by never trusting anyone/ be against everyone (and therefore, be WITH her), but no matter what, I was never allowed to be WITH her. No matter how much I rejected everyone, I was not to be one with her-
It never happened that I was one with her, as a team of two.. no matter how much I desired it to be that way.
Right.. that’s also true for a narcissist: because as much as they need sympathy and people agreeing with them, they need to remain alone on the pedestal, as the single greatest victim. You cannot be “one” with a narcissistic mother, because she needs to one-up you, basically… She needs to always feel better than you.
The opposite of shame would be humility: to admit faults and mistakes humbly, as in: oh.. I was wrong, but I can do better!
The opposite of toxic shame is.. healthy, humble shame, saying to myself something like: I said/ did wrong, but I am not doomed.. I am not BAD. I can correct, I can do better.
Yes! Growing up with a narcissistic mother leaves us with toxic shame. The feeling that we are bad at our core, that something is terribly wrong with us.
But now you’re seeing it clearly: that even if you make a mistake, you are not bad. Your identity is not bad. You are a good person who sometimes make mistakes, like we all do. That’s what being human means.
I am happy you’ve freed yourself (or are working on freeing yourself) from the conditioned thinking that you are bad and your mother is good. The more you practice and affirm the truth of who you are, the better it will get. You’re doing a monumental job reversing that old programming, and I am really happy for you!
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