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  • in reply to: Was it a mistake? #51821
    Kelly
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    I’m confused – she sent mail saying thank you? But she was the one who sent the flowers to you? Was it a sarcastic “thank you” as in, “you should be thanking me for the flowers”? I don’t understand… I’m not sure what mistake it is you think you might have made. I agree with Purpose, focus on your own happiness and try not to trouble your mind with what she is thinking or doing. Good luck.

    in reply to: How to deal with a controlling person #51737
    Kelly
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    Thanks to the three of you for such great, thoughtful advice. I think the women’s abuse survivor support group may be a good idea if I’m unable to get past this on my own. My only reservation would be that I did not suffer any physical abuse or anything to the degree that other women who utilize those services go through. I wouldn’t want my presence to be an insult to women who have “real” issues.

    I ended up texting the ex to ask when he was thinking about coming by to get his things. He told me he could come by at a specific time. I did not agree to it, but thirty minutes before that time he texted to say he was “on his way”. I considered telling him no, or not answering the door when he arrived, but a large part of me just wanted to get this behind me so I let him come in and get his things, including the stupid bed (lol Will). It was uneventful, versus the scenario I had built up in my head, and he was on his way. Though he did leave in heaving sobs which pulled my heartstrings. I appreciate the validation and support in telling me to follow my heart/stick to my guns. Perhaps I should have, though honestly I am relieved to have it done and not hanging over my head anymore.

    Since then, he has texted me some condescending, manipulative and controlling type messages but I did not take the bait. I simply told him I didn’t wish to engage. He threw some more angry words at me but I did not respond.

    And yes, Will, this is the actor. The same guy I wrote about in another post as well. Needless to say, this relationship has been a challenge for me to leave behind.

    in reply to: jealous and insecure about ex #51732
    Kelly
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    Will,

    Thanks for the laughs 🙂 You’re right, I need to be less hard on myself. I’m all torn up about not being compassionate toward my ex and in the process I am not being compassionate to myself. Baby steps will get me there.

    in reply to: Is he manipulative? #51266
    Kelly
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    Fiona,

    I got a sick feeling in my gut reading your story because it is hauntingly familiar. I am about three months out of my three year relationship. Take this with a grain of salt because I am still healing from my loss – your boyfriend sounds more like a child than a man. I too had the partner who charmed, cooked, pampered, provided endless affection and attention but he exhibited very similar passive-aggressive and selfish behaviors to what you’re describing. He had, at the very least, an emotional affair I discovered with a much younger woman. He has still not admitted to it, but instead tried various ways of invalidating my feelings: it’s due to my “trust issues”, he can’t believe I don’t know who he really is after everything we’ve been through together, he didn’t have the motivations I assume he had (similar to the “I was never unfaithful in my heart”). I don’t know if your story would play out the same, but for me I spent a full year or more trying to work with him and resolve our communication issues and disparity between our levels of responsibility within the relationship. (I saw him go through three jobs in this time period as I, like you, footed the bulk of our expenses). My frustrations were exacerbated with every new “incident” we had, and pretty soon the “incidents” (similar to your two examples) were coming one after the other without much of the sweet, charming, fun, everyday life stuff in between.

    I, too, looked at the great investment I had made in this relationship. Someone asked me a pretty simple question: what kind of return was I getting on my investment? You work in the financial sector – is this an investment worthy of you? There are sunk costs – would you just be throwing good money after bad to reap anything out of this? I’m sorry to make an emotional decision so black and white because I know it’s a lot more complicated when it comes to matters of the heart. Something to consider.

    I agree wholeheartedly with Mark’s comment that it’s easier to be with our pain than to leap into the unknown. But what if by holding off from making that leap, you’re missing out on someone who could compliment you in all the ways you want and deserve? Maybe that “someone” is you, loving and cherishing yourself and not settling for less than you deserve. I know starting over is not easy – I keep myself inspired by reading love stories of others who meet later in life (and, please, at 45 you have half your life ahead of you!). Maybe it’s time to fall in love with you again. That might sound like hippy dippy stuff, but it’s the realization I’ve come to for myself. I believe that my ex-boyfriend loved me with all he had, but that love just wasn’t right for me. Wouldn’t you like to be able to confront your partner and have your feelings heard? I long for that and I just got fed up feeling like I had no voice in the relationship. My boyfriend was the classic deflector as well.

    Anyway, I’m rambling. You have to find your own truth – my comments are based on my own experience. It just seemed on the surface, at least, to mirror your own. I wish you the best in whatever you do regarding this relationship.

    in reply to: Difficulty letting go #50430
    Kelly
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    Thanks, Lily. I understand impermanence is one of the basic tenants of Buddhism (of which I have barely dipped my toes in the pool) but I find myself struggling a bit with the concept. At what point does the belief that there will be another movie/bus/boat lead us to take people or circumstances for granted? Shrug, no big deal if this doesn’t work out because I’ll get another shot at it in due time? I don’t mean specifically regarding my love relationship, which I am learning to accept more and more each day that its time has passed, but as a larger, general concept.

    in reply to: Difficulty letting go #50354
    Kelly
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    Thank you, Lila, I very much appreciate your kind words. It sounds like you can relate to what I’m going through. When I spoke to a therapist about my fears and pain, I said to her “what if this was my love story and it’s over now?” Because there were so many things that happened between us, conicidences that made us seem meant for one another, that I feared this was IT. She said to me “what if that was only the preview before the real movie starts?” That new love you speak of might be the “real movie”. I wish the same for you as well. But in the meantime (and always), you’re absolutely right that we have to love ourselves first and foremost and trust that everything is happening perfectly. My best to you <3

    in reply to: Criticized? #49899
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    I want to echo Jade’s sentiments. She summed up beautifully how I feel about the situation as well. That statement jumped out to me too (“let me explain why you shouldn’t feel like that”), and I heard it many, many times from my ex. I too am a sensitive person and I recognize that, but as Jade says, you should feel safe to feel your feelings within the context of a loving relationship. I felt so invalidated time and time again after sharing a negative emotion with my ex, only for him to “explain” why I shouldn’t feel that way. From his position, if he didn’t mean things the way I was interpreting them, then I shouldn’t hurt. He thought if he could explain where he was coming from, then my pain would magically disappear. Emotions don’t work like that, at least they don’t for me. I spent the last year before our relationship ended begging him for what I called “carte blanche apologies” for which he could just look at me and tell me “I’m sorry” – not because he was a villian with mal intent, but just that he’s sorry I’m hurting. He loves me and he doesn’t want me to be hurt. I think it’s possible to apologize to someone without taking responsibility for their feelings, because as Matt points out, only we can control how we respond to and interpret the world. However, I longed so desperately just for ONE TIME for him to say “I’m sorry” and hold me when I was sad, no matter if I had the whole thing “wrong”.

    I recently spoke to a therapist about this. I told her I thought maybe it was unfair of me to wish for these “carte blanche apologies”. She assured me that it was not, and that that’s what people in a loving relationship do. That’s not to say that sometimes a clarification isn’t in order, but if you’re finding every single time you raise a concern with your partner that she’s telling you why you shouldn’t feel that way, it can feel very isolating. I took to writing my feelings in a journal instead of sharing them with my partner, because I knew I would end up feeling worse by sharing. What a lonely place to be in a relationship.

    I agree with Matt’s points and strive to get to a place where I can think like he is suggesting. At the same time, we choose with whom we want to spend our time and give our hearts to. Choose wisely.

    in reply to: Difficulty letting go #49800
    Kelly
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    Thank you, Elisabeth, for your wise words and sharing the process you are going through. I recognize I have some codependency issues. Even now that we’re split up, my mind keeps going to him and feeling bad about the activities I have planned for myself and my (our) friends. I think about how he would like to do the things I’m doing with me. I picture him sitting all alone and it breaks my heart. Then I get a flare of anger because I think of the night I was sitting all alone and he was out, introducing himself to another woman and developing an interest (the character of which I will never truly know). But even those feelings of anger are tempered by my belief that he is a good, loving person who is just lost right now and he’s grasping for anything that can take away the pain. It makes me sympathetic to him. Despite that, I can’t move forward with him as long as he continues lying about it, and I know at this point there is no hope for him to fess up. I’ve even considered moving on with him, knowing in my heart what the “truth” is, even if he’s not emotionally mature enough to admit it to me and to himself. But that’s all kinds of wrong and really selling myself short. I deserve better.

    This past Saturday he texted me asking me to go to breakfast with him. He says he thinks spending some time together would help. I feel like I couldn’t even look at him anymore. He says he wants to hold me and look into my eyes. I feel like I’d be looking into a stranger’s eyes, desperately searching for the ghost of the man he was. Or, like you suggest, the man I thought or hoped he was. I declined the breakfast and he responded by sending an email urging me to go to counseling with him. He has an (what I believe is unorthodox) idea that we should attend counseling together, even if we are breaking up. He thinks it is the only way for us to truly learn how to better operate in relationships and that it would help our future relationships whether or not they are with each other. This is mind-boggling to me. I don’t want therapy as a post-mortem on our relationship, I want it to be the birth of a new me. I told him I would only consider it if it were in order to heal our relationship together. I don’t know why I am still hanging on. This disagreement about therapy is just one more instance to add to the long list of things we don’t agree on.

    in reply to: Difficulty letting go #49799
    Kelly
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    Thanks for the support, CAN.

    in reply to: Difficulty letting go #49678
    Kelly
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    Thank you so much for your encouragement Howard. Your words really resonated with me. In fact, mere minutes prior I had received an email from my ex, telling me that our love is real and we can work through things together, etc etc (he wants to go to counseling together). I was reduced to tears, wondering if I should go back and then *bing* in came your message and my tears stopped. That likely sounds melodramatic but I wanted to let you know how much you’ve helped me by putting some consideration and care into my situation.

    You’re right that I’ve had one foot on the dock and one on the boat, admittedly for quite awhile. In fact, I had been contemplating leaving him for the last several months. It’s a bit embarassing to read back in my journal all the way back to 6+ months ago, where I plotting the “right time” to leave (maybe after my parents visit, maybe after this trip because we already have airline tickets, after his birthday, and so on). I think more than anything right now I’m feeling a sense of loss, and it’s clouded by what I consider to be a betrayal. It’s very confusing to have a man seemingly wanting me back, urging me to work on things with him, telling me how I’m the most gorgeous, loving, warm, smart woman in the world and then having the knowledge that he has developed such an interest in another woman. He says he viewed her page as a “distraction” just like he looks at other people’s pages, but it still doesn’t sit right with me. And I guess in a sense his distraction has distracted me from what I need to keep focus on: myself and my needs.

    Did the relationship pay dividends? Not nearly enough. I will say that I never felt so adored, cherished and loved by anyone before, which likely seems dubious in light of recent events. Before the relationship started falling apart, he made me the center of his world along with his son. He cheered me on at my events, left me cards, flowers, really romanced and nurtured me in the way I crave. Did all our grocery shopping, cooked all our meals, made me feel like I was beautiful. I think that is what I am hanging onto, that feeling I had with him. The emails and letters he’s written me in the past month offer glimpses of that and it’s tempting me back. But I know all the larger issues won’t just go away. I need to work on my self-esteem and recognize that I am a great person even without him telling me that. I guess I just want to feel wanted, and he gives that to me. Not to mention other practical benefits of having a life partner – all my friends are partnered, our social lives revolved around each other… someone to talk to at the end of a hard day at work, someone to check in with. Someone who would be worried about me if I didn’t come home at night. I have images of being left dead in my house with my pets wandering around my corpse for days before anybody checked in. haha ok, not really…….

    Anyway, thanks again Howard. Your encouragement really helps.

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