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Hi Anita, I am annoyed with myself that i need help when i see other people in far worse situations.
The panic is that i cant look after myself alone, and i know i cant..my parents have to help me financially as my salary does not cover living expenses. I am looking at what else i can do but my current work keeps me so busy, no..its not fair but thats life!
There are other women i see who have less than i do but manage to get by and have always got some man after them…how do they do it? I am not bad looking but i have never had a man chase after me ever. I have always had to make the move.
I felt my ex was just right for me, it may sound strange. My exes did not have the same appeal.
The panic of them together is that he will forget me, that he will find the perfect one for him, that they will have everything i wanted to have.
I just dont want to be the one losing out this time..i feel its always me. things going wrong make me feel worse. I am better today but if things wear me down i get worse again. Things have a tendency to go spectacularly wrong for me it seems. I feel awkward in meeting people so it is twice as hard. Im tired of this jinx i have..i know people who just give up..they dont look for love because of the hurt..i dont want to be like that either but right now i cant see how to trust.
wildoceanflowerParticipantHi Anita (and thank you to others who have sent their good vibes 🙂
I have had another couple of tough days…i have tried not to believe i am cursed. I am having a difficult time at work which has been escalating, i learned i need an operation (although it is minor, not life threatening), i got two huge electricity bills out of nowhere and am seemingly being paid less for my job so i just cant afford to live without help…i was in tears today and yesterday, its a mess.
the panic has not gone away, the thoughts of him and her have not either and i keep trying to think of things to do to pass time. I am taking various lessons…but plans i make are struggling to work out for various reasons and i feel strangled.
Moving away is something i thought of doing right before i met my ex..so he changed my mind. Now, i just feel tired and old. I have moved a few times in my life and it is very hard but mostly because i dont particularly have a career. but it is something i have to consider since my current job is getting worse…
ive had cognitive therapy before but it just didnt do much for me. I am trying to use exercise as a way to just tire myself out which should also make me look better too. confidence is what i have always missed in my life..when times are good i also dont have it, maybe its a missing gene! But now i just feel really unsure about any decisions..the only consistency i feel that i have are failures.
when things keep getting worse…you need superhuman strength not to break, what do i do so that i dont panic about all these external things happening to me?
wildoceanflowerParticipantHi Steve,
Thank you for your support, it is very kind of you..it makes me sad to think of so many people who are more fearful of pain and rejection than being truthful but i guess we all suffer a bit from that. I feel more vunerable because i guess i have a compulsion to saying the truth, despite the pain it can cause me and it often does. I am a very loyal and attached person so no longer having my partner is terrible for me.
I am also struggling with how i see myself, i guess you dont like yourself when you are going through bad times, when its good..you dont even notice that thought, you smile more and that attracts people. Faking it is hard to do.
I appreciate the thoughts
wildoceanflowerParticipantHi Steve,
Thanks for your message…i feel somewhat like i am pouring my heart out too much. You are hardly rambling. I know what you mean about not loving yourself..i think i have that problem too.
As far as my ex is concerned..i know and knew, that he disappointed a lot of people..his family, his friends, some strangers. He is a magnetic person..ive never seen before how someone can attract others so much. He just had a presence for fun..and to a certain extent i didnt have enough energy to keep up with him even though i loved him..i wanted to be the homelife, he had more energy than a 20 yr old. But he definitely has issues and doesnt admit it.
Finding the self love is perhaps one of the hardest things…i am trying one day at a time..at least, i wont jump into another relationship to drown another out..thats not the answer.
wildoceanflowerParticipantDear Anita,
I feel like you must be endlessly patient to listen to all this …
I know that for most people, happy or not, milestones in life are something they can pin on the wall for others to see that they are achieving something…we are all competitive..even if we dont think so. I feel like a failure because i have not had anything without a big helping hand from my parents. My current job is starting to grate on me..i dont earn enough to live on..but there is not much else to turn to where i live.
I dont remember feeling so much physical pain from former boyfriends…it just has something to do with those milestones but maybe also my feeling that i cant be successful and a lack of options where i live. I am 40, i never had dreams to marry but suddenly its acute that i am alone again, i never wanted kids but of course..if you take the chance away..Ive heard of people finding someone and within a year they have it all. i guess i have to keep that door open in my mind but it feels like its closing.
Tasks do help, work keeps my mind busy for a while, i have this energy to exercise like i never had before…but my mind constantly races around him all the while…i am fighting with my mind to not go mad, not to come up with scenarios of how i will see them together…my heart races if i see a car like his but i havent seen him since. Its clear, he is not going to chase after me like in the movies or how some people say in their biographies! lucky them.
So far, walking outside has been the best…eventually my anger and desperation subsides and i can look at a flower and some sunshine and have a moment of peace. Meditation..i think will come..once i can stop the anger (both at myself as well as the situation) i have to forgive myself too, i have to learn to give myself a chance but until then i keep having these moments.
wildoceanflowerParticipantHi Anita,
Thank you for your wise words…i needed to talk it out. And i hope you feel better too. The patience is the hardest thing, others have told me too but they have also said its going to be very hard for me living where i do.
i have just had this feeling of panic and a knot in my stomach that turns to pain, in know its just heartache but i feel worn down by it sometimes. So i was walking a lot, just really trying to get away from everything. i have lost a lot of weight because of it with or without the walking. All the anxiety.
I havent contacted my ex but can’t shake the feeling that we should be together. its stupid but there it is. I do have things i do during the day where i dont think about him but as soon as everything is done i am back going over everything, while i am walking it runs around my head. And it feels like an engine revving constantly inside, i must get something done, i must move forward.
I guess when i feel worst, it is acute and i need help…when i am calmer i can look at it with more patience, think about bending and not breaking, sit with my loneliness instead of howl about it. I am not a cryer really, just in those first days but i dont usually. But patience is a difficult thing for me now..at this point in my life where i feel others were already taken care of, im still waiting for some high point but instead just struggle on.
I used to have a friend who contacted me when she had achieved things: career, promotion, bought a house, marriage, baby all in that order..she listed her success and then asked me how i was doing, it was always pointlessly competitive because i never got any of those things but i felt she was making herself feel better by seeing i wasn’t getting anywhere. Eventually i had to cut her out of my life because i realised she always made me feel bad after seeing her and she had been an old friend so it was a hard choice to make. This was years ago now, she got all those things within about 5 years..i am still trying. It makes me feel bad, we are all judged by achievements.
I know that no matter how i twist and turn in it, my ex doesnt love me the way i loved him. As much as i wanted him to, he couldnt commit either. While he gave me a lot in return; encouraged me, supported me, loved me..i have to accept that he also had the capacity to be cruel and unfair. I am also a very sensitive person so it could hit hard. Then when the smoke cleared i would see he was reacting childishly or selfishly. I dont understand his problems, why he cant open up more, why he doesnt trust but i guess i never will.
I compare this with the guy i lived with for 7 years, who i sort of fell into a relationship with because i was alone and then found myself stifled and bored, it was the opposite. No passion, no excitement whatsoever, no moving forward and insecurity so that i felt i had to stand in front of him. His parents were controlling and he always gave in to their demands. I spent too long with him, i got very depressed. Literally the only thing he could give me was the commitment.
I am so used to being alone really..not by choice.
wildoceanflowerParticipantHi Anita, its been a while since i was describing a terrible week in which my ex told me he had met someone, was confused and wanted both of us, but missed me and then finally decided on her…because she is new and im old. then told me he loved her. It hurts so much to think about. Life is very cruel sometimes, someone who was always mine suddenly treating me so coldly. Men in a candy shop, women in emotional hell.
I havent been much better since that time, the feeling of needing to run away is getting less but i still get physical pain and have to walk a lot to get rid of it. I have been staying with my parents because i was such a mess i couldnt be alone. It makes me feel like such a failure that i cant stand on my own. I was looking for the longest time for a dog to be a companion but cant find one that fits with me…i joined an online dating site but feel so unsure of my decisions, i dont really like any of them anyway and there are so few people in my area anyway, i just dont trust it, i feel like they are out to use me. A friend said i should call my ex if i still feel so strong about him but i cant do that either…I just keep wishing he will regret his decision but everything about the way he is suggests he will never contact me again. im waiting for a miracle. for him to come running back.
Work has not been so good either, i just dont know who or what i am supposed to be anymore. I dont have money to do anything, to plan a break to get my mind off it. My mom suggested i need to move to the city, i just felt dispair….i have moved a few times in my life, different countries, different lives..its very hard, very lonely and i dont know if i can do it again alone.
today i just felt such pain thinking of how much i wanted to be with my ex…it seems impossible to switch that off. the rule of “pick a time to think about it” just doesnt apply. I was trying to stop myself from crying at work towards the end of the day.. i reckon i am starting to develop fear of the weekend too…empty days to fill alone.
When i was alone before i met him, i lived alone but with my parents nearby and work…i know i went a little mad with so much time on my hands. I feel like something has to break, either me or the cycle of loneliness im in.
wildoceanflowerParticipantHi Anita, I know it doesnt seem reasonable or rational..but i know im no saint either. I have been obsessive, when i want answers i find it impossible to stop trying, a mystery is irresistable to me and he was always that way, never quite communicating what he thought. I guess it was deluded but i was in love.
I keep hanging onto each day, just trying to find something pretty in it. When i commit to something or become loyal, it seems its almost unshakeable….which means i gets taken advantage of by others who dont see what the big deal is..I guess they would say lighten up but when in that mindset i just dont see, i get really hurt.
What all this really means to me..is that the marriage, the kids doesnt mean as much to me really as the commitment in return, real passion..and here was a man who just cant be that person, no matter how it seemed. It hurts a lot, he may have lost me my chance to have a family but i feel like i am slowly letting it go..i have to for my sanity. Despite the deep bonds, i dont jump straight into the next person’s bed..i guess realising it might be years was just too sad.
Thank you for helping me through this..despite having friends to support me and family, i just was looking for these “answers” everywhere and you have really helped me.
wildoceanflowerParticipantI think they were worthy of commitment but that he obviously has a problem with that. While his last relationship was 7 years long so was mine…we had both said that in the end we didnt love those people and that was the problem. In the beginning i couldnt have known that he just was saying words but not serious. He said we would get married and have kids…it was just stuff he said to make himself feel good and me i guess. There was no intent behind it. I dont doubt that he loved me then but he seems to struggle with what he aught to feel about women.
It could be that he doesnt feel as strongly about this woman but that he just wants peace and looking after by a mother. I was at his house and he wanted me to help with his laundry..i told him to get his new girlfriend to do it as he always complained to me about things like that (even though i did it). He told me it was ok because she was a mum she would be used to doing all those things…i dont think she knows what she is getting herself into. but maybe she is ok with that too, and doesnt need marriage….its just i dont know any woman who DOESNT want commitment. We all want to feel like we are goddesses that no one could leave.
I think i was worthy of commitment, i am. Its just bad luck stories always for me, one reason and then another of why things dont work out. With my last boyfriend it was that i fell out of love with him and his lack of ambition, drive or interest..it just fizzed out slowly and awfully. I took those 5 years to get over what was not meant to be anyway. This time i really loved the person.
After a holiday he had come back to me with a ring and i remember at the time i was so excited thinking he would propose (he had called me his wife after all, said he was my husband in emails) but it wasnt an engagement. We argued a lot about it, he said it was a “promise” ring, he felt i was ungrateful. That ring became a symbol of my disappointment, i wore it, then i didnt..i gave it back to him in an argument in the car and he threw it out the window. Later he would tell me that he expected me to propose to him, he asked me to give him a surfboard as a commitment (i know that sounds ridiculous) and i couldnt afford one. I felt like he was toying with me, putting obstacles in the way. But he would use that argument against me and say i could have if i really wanted to. By then i was already so tied to him it didnt matter, i wanted to be with him.
wildoceanflowerParticipantHi Anita,
Relationships seem to be a popularity contest, not a comfort zone, not a loving place anymore for me. Twice now i have had a relationship fail because the guy wants me to be more and more of what he expects of me and not myself. I have to be more organised for him, more outgoing, more in touch with his family etc…basically to fit the role of a mother.
I have a problem with social anxiety, i often feel drained if i am uncomfortable and can analyse events afterwards often with some slight that someone has made towards me…this happened a lot with my ex. But now, i believe myself instead of doubting what my experience was. The people i met with him were flaky, fake and often flirted with him or were jealous and ignored me…it wasnt my imagination. It wasnt fun but he wanted me to come out more and i pulled back. He had a few nice friends but it became a struggle for me to go out when i felt anxious about it and i wanted more and more to stay in…he got tired of that and felt cut off from life…i felt i failed him in that respect, i lost him with that and the few times when we had a great time together. This also happened in my previous relationship. I guess the problems happen when they refused to do things i want to do but instead demand more of me.
As far as the women with children is concerned…to a certain extent i feel that where i live it is a big deal. Making friends is difficult without children, i am seen as a threat to stability or as a childish person of no purpose. Having children gives women a position of some responsibility and respect and i guess power too. It seems to me that men really actually want…a mother, and she is one already.
I think that women are conditioned in the world anyway to believe a woman who has married has “made it”. The guy picked her and made it to the altar, its a respect thing that we are conditioned to expect when in reality men fall short of the image all the time. It starts very early with cartoons and disney princess characters. Whether we like it or not, the dream that someone will take care of you or be your soulmate i think is just there in the back of your head. But i have never dreamed of marriage, in fact i have an aversion to wedding dresses and the whole pressure of it, we both werent into it really. I just wanted the commitment which of course was promised in the beginning. I saw some old emails, he was saying he was my husband, i was his wife, he told people we would get married but it never happened…he seems to be unable to do it and made excuses. I guess i was had.
What i cant bear, is that she will be what he wants when i was not…that he will make a commitment to her and that this will show me that i am not worthy of that. It will also tell me that i am no good socially..because she will have met his needs there too.
wildoceanflowerParticipantHi Anita,
I feel like it is going to take such a long time before that happens…i had to take a couple of days off work i was crying so much. Ive never had this kind of reaction before but it also hasnt meant so much. By this age i wanted to be together with someone…not cruising for the next partner! it seems to me that i just cant have that…i mean that people in general now want constant change and stimulus. I think he did and i had just come to my end in his eyes. It is unbearable for me. It definitely looks like i wont have children in any case..im too old now.
How can i keep waking up in exactly the same pain and anxiety, i have fought my feelings for me telling myself that if someone can hurt me like this they cant be good for me, but then i find myself stirring some tiny hope that it will all fall through and he’ll realise he was wrong. If i could just destroy the hope i wouldnt go there. He is not the kind to call….he probably wont.
Im still desperate, still upset…its going to be a while.. what do i do if i see them? he wants me to be happy for him, support him in his new relationship, she probably feels sympathy for me..after all, shes got him. She told him she had been badly hurt before and didnt want him to mess her around (like he already did by going on holiday without her) he talked about her like he had to protect her and look after her. He told her i had social anxiety and this was a problem, she has taken him out a few times and they have fun together. I feel like such a failure.
wildoceanflowerParticipantHi Anita, Thank you..like i said to Fazc, my mood is up and down all the time… I was with the last boyfriend for about 4 years, we broke up in early oct but it was a long time coming i guess. I think to a great extent yes, he was more interested in how i looked (because i was younger by 10 years). I feel that he has issues with his own age and he often said it was great the attention he was getting because i was with him. What i thought was probably not really a concern to him. He was infatuated in the beginning..i read about narcissists and he fit an awful lot of the description, towards the end there was a lot of criticism.
Its just sad, especially when you see other couples that seem so effortless, im tired of feeling i have to do everything alone. My example is my parents who might bicker with each other but have been together since their 20s and do everything together, they dont understand what is wrong with the men to be so flaky and feel that something has been lost in my generation to the detriment of women.wildoceanflowerParticipantHi Fazc, I really appreciate your words of kindness and it seems we have had a very similar experience,my emotions are on a rollercoaster but am trying to find something other than a relationship to concentrate on…it works in small amounts. To a certain extent you have to hold your hands up and give UP everything you thought you SHOULD have..because there is always something, some new light that can be created, maybe not like you thought.
There are the worse times too. I hope that you have some comfort in knowing we are walking down the same road!xxx thank youwildoceanflowerParticipantHi Anita, thank you for your answer. I suppose its not really even the marriage, i dont particularly need that but its the knowledge that someone is staying with you because they choose you. I can’t seem to hang on to the guys. Once the excitement is over they want me to be different to how i am. How do you stop people from judging you on looks! they are attracted and thats it, they are not listening to me but maybe they never do. I’m tired of trying to figure it out. I miss him but he is freezing me out of his life and acts childish. I sent him a new years message hoping to be just normal, he replied fine and upbeat but then didnt reply to my next message….this drives me insane and its agonising…does he care, doesnt he and so on. The problem with the brain is it doesnt know its been dumped, i do.
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