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  • in reply to: family & friends who hurt you badly #163348
    wildoceanflower
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    Hi Anita,

    I need some help to understand why…i am always left on my own. No one is begging to be in my life, no one in fact cares at all. All of my exes left and just stayed away..not any communication. at. all. My sister has had contact with all her exes, which are fewer than mine and one who begged to come back..she said no.

    I get a lot of people saying im so pretty, im so lucky, im so fortunate. But i dont have children to keep my spirits up as a single woman…there is a lot to be said for that! my parents dont seem to want a connection apart from “show” for family and friends. My friends have been fickle all my life..always more for themselves, and gone when a man is in the picture.

    I just dont feel anything in the human connection anymore. I can totally see why some women just give up at my age and decide its not for them..pretend im into flowerpressing or something charity…until im too out of touch to care.

    No one is going out of their way to help when life has been cruel to me. I noticed today, the girl whose wedding i went to with my ex…right after he told me we were through..is now working for him. I had previously suggested meeting up with her for coffee but she ignored it. Now he is with someone else. I guess she had an instinct i was on the way out…arent people cruel? they have no morals of standing up for whats right. I remember feeling rejected, she was new in town, but had clearly thought i wasnt good enough…and i guess her instincts were right.

    in reply to: family & friends who hurt you badly #162756
    wildoceanflower
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    Hi Anita,

    Yes, i see how it just goes in circles. I will never get the answers i want. You cant force people to be kind or loving. I used to think i was capable of being very empathic and understanding of other people. But after the things that have happened, that compound over time, i just feel something integral has been broken..i am a little colder inside. thats sad. I dont feel i could trust anyone again with my heart.

     

    in reply to: family & friends who hurt you badly #162520
    wildoceanflower
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    Hi Anita, ha ha i see what you did there,

    well, no i didnt mean that. I guess i was looking at it basically that when you are in the wrong you should apologise and be the first to make good with the other person, presuming that you actually love them. We all know when we have done wrong, dont we? maybe not all of us when we cant stand the thought of having to back down, therefore the ego.

    Maybe they dont see that they have to do anything. Maybe they dont care that i am hurting and alone because they are okay and are busy and successful for now with people around them. Maybe they think if they cant see it, it doesnt exist!! I dont know. I am trying to understand their behaviour.

    When i told a friend about how cold my mom has been with me she doesnt get it either. Sadly, i think my mom tells my dad to contact me as is the case now…all communication through him is the wrong thing to do..because he has no empathy! and can sound like he is booking an appointment with me. They both dont deal well with honest talk, bringing something up means a huge emotional fight. My mom really only communicates through high emotion. Everything is swept under the carpet.

    I am SOOO angry inside! if it is all my fault then i would gladly just own up but i dont see it..i just wish i could have some peace so i can move on. I still hang on to hope about my ex..i know i shouldnt.

     

    in reply to: family & friends who hurt you badly #162344
    wildoceanflower
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    Hey Anita,

    I think being brave is about sucking it up, forgetting your own ego and pride and apologising and really meaning it. Thats all there is to it. Its what we teach kids to do…seems for adults things get personal as they must have the last word.

    I DO think they are weaker than me. Not one of them could survive what i have. I dont think any of them would be able to stand the isolation i have had to endure and keep going. My mom is very brave with her opinions at home, but when she complains about other people disagreeing with her it only highlights her arrogance at thinking she must be right. She has always relied on my dad being there to back her up…and to follow her if she storms out! i dont want that kind of relationship myself.

    I am still a youngish woman but there is no life for me right now…i feel like such a loser no one wants to talk to, i havent done well. And it wouldnt matter anyway..im too frightened to talk to any guy, i am too afraid of being vunerable. So yes, my boyfriend really destroyed my chances of a good life, a family at a good age to have one…this is going to take years to overcome by which time it will be too late for me.

    Anger..is in fact the only thing that can keep me going. And i have learnt to survive my feelings by emptying my mind of anything which seems quite advanced to me…i dont meditate..but i have still moments. I lean into the loneliness and find things to focuss on, in this way i accept what is clearly my fate. But it is not what i ever wanted in life. I have always dreamt of a busy family with animals and friends that i see other people having. In fact, i regularly see other people getting what i always wanted and i have had to hold my feelings back. I have reached saturation point..it MUST be my turn?

    I am at an impasse with all 3x people who have hurt me and they wont make a first move. Do i just cut them out of my life? what am i supposed to do when others force me into the role of always being empathic for them but not getting the same in return?

     

     

     

    in reply to: family & friends who hurt you badly #161980
    wildoceanflower
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    Hi Anita,

    But i am always the forgiving one! I am tired of being so generous for other people´s mistakes and bad temper…i am used to being the smart one who makes the first move, smoothes the way etc, is the better person….i guess because this last relationship failure has left me in real understand that…i have to look out for myself because no one will. My mother can afford to cut everyone off who offends her..as long as my dad continues to feed her needs. He is facilitating her behaviour as her constant champion But it is total blind denial. My friend has also turned to her old friends rather than reaching out to me. I dont understand why they cant be brave for a change and do what i ALWAYS have to do? Are they really weaker than me? because it looks that way.

    It just feels like torture really, that others cant be understanding. I think that if they were in my position, they wouldnt be quite as nasty. The resulting silence is making me hate them.

     

    in reply to: family & friends who hurt you badly #161806
    wildoceanflower
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    Hi Anita,

    I dont want to be the person who complains about their parents, but im mad! Their combined behaviour is so messed up i realised only recently. Only through the horrific behaviour of my ex..who i realised echoed some things in my mom.

    I got so angry the other day, her aggressive controlling, domineering conversation, her indifference to me..I know that all along, there are cues of backlash because of something i must have done some other time. Its frustrating and tiring trying to keep up with her constant self pity, demands for attention and basically..anger. They want to see me..but when they do..there´s a pattern.

    How do i change my relationship with them, this pattern..which then makes ME angry? At the moment my instinct is to dump my family. I am also trying to decide…do i have to approach my friend now to smooth things over? its not fair, but it seems i dont she will simply not even try to fix it..it didnt even have to be so bad, but she has left it for about 6 weeks not talking to me! why are these people so stubborn??

     

     

    in reply to: Alone with no purpose, being nothing #158054
    wildoceanflower
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    Thank you PearceHawk and Eliana,

    I am getting a lot of support and i am so grateful for this. I understand the point of focus changing outwards..i tend to bury myself in work but lately i just had that panic emotional feeling and found i can´t concentrate on anything except trying to find a safe place for myself. for a long time, i have been angry that i gave “too much” to the other people in my life who have let me down. My main goal was to try and forgive them…even though they wont forgive me.

    I recently fell out with a good friend who has been such a great support to me through all this. However, while being great support..she also had a habit of bullying at work on a regular basis, complaining a lot about things being unfair, that i needed to fix it, pointing out my mistakes all the time and demanding help from me etc. I finally just hit my maximum and told her i didnt like it, that it reminded me of the abusive behaviour of my ex (which was true).

    She didnt like that at all and has now gone silent on me. She did already apologise but i think she has just gotten angry instead of remorseful. I know she can hold a grudge because she had described quite a number of times she has fallen out with people and funnily enough she is a Libra like my mother who reacted in much the same way.

    I totally realise that i can lose my friend, lose my mother. But maybe that had to be. If i am alone then at least i am learning if only the hard way…that in the past my relationships consisted of me accepting everything about the other, including their abusive behaviour as a side dish, but not being accepted back. Its not good enough anymore.

    I need a stronger foundation in myself to be able to reach out to others, i need to feel a place in myself that can handle criticism, negativity, anger and jealousy without it destroying me when it shouldnt be that intense of an experience. Maybe like you say i just have to accept that it could take quite a long time.

     

    in reply to: Alone with no purpose, being nothing #157950
    wildoceanflower
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    Thank you to Catherine, Mark and especially Anita,

    I am very grateful to have this space as lately it has been so difficult..i know all too much that staying in grieving is bad..but if anyone relates, im a scorpio and it is like being cut in two..another level of pain. It takes me too long to recover, the emotions are very difficult. I still cant look at a guy in the face.  i really dont want that interaction. Im resentful about it and fearful with good reason. I really dont believe in love much now. I feel very broken and jaded. So..my fears about not having the chance to have a family were not made up. It is likely i will be alone now. I have nothing left that i can find in myself to give. I am focusing completely on my survival..work..selling my apartment. Its so basic when i see other women who have multiple dreams fulfilled at once.

     

    in reply to: Unable to move forward from old love #152178
    wildoceanflower
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    Dear Eliana,

    Thank you for your empathy and story..it always seems a bit easier when there is someone else feeling the same feelings.

    Although i seem unable to help myself..i hope that you will find some help from the therapy you are getting. From what you have said, the sensitivity of your feelings means that going on internet dating may be not be the best idea. Im talking from experience. If there would be any way you could pick up an activity that gets you active or social i would recommend that above shopping for faces online…or waiting for them to find you.

    Trust me, i have trouble with my own advice. But concentrating on doing something else you like, may start to make connections you never thought of. And build your confidence at the same time. Whatever your passion is.

    Its very hard for people to say “why dont you just..” when they are talking from a position of comfort, But i am not there. Its hard.

    I hope the therapy helps to understand yourself better.

    hugs

     

    in reply to: Unable to move forward from old love #151678
    wildoceanflower
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    Hi Anita,

    Once again, i cant decide what best to say..im tired.

    I have never learnt to recall successes. Only failures. My self criticism is the highest of all. My subconscious mind is a punishment that will destroy feelings of self worth. Sometimes my imagination fills in blanks with really horrible stuff.

    Where other people will get angry and stand up for themselves immediately in a public situation, i usually question myself first and back down. This is like a factory fault in me..i dont know how to change it and thus make people treat me better.

    As such Anita, im afraid that the problems i have are not solvable. I am not charismatic like my ex who despite all of his cruelty, gets a lot of friends and girlfriends. I dont think he´s happy, but just like everyone..the goal is to appear happy.

    I am hopeless at that. I am unable to hide my feelings.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    in reply to: Unable to move forward from old love #151446
    wildoceanflower
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    Thank you Anita,

    You are right about the feelings of powerlessness..it makes me so angry and so helplessly miserable. Its true that i dont believe i can make a meaningful change. Things i have tried to do just have not worked out..i get so depressed, tired, disappointed and angry that the feeling of failure just rises to the surface and stops progress..i dont know how to change that. This is despite the fact that i had a success at work recently..i worked hard for a result and it worked. I just dont feel like i can ever celebrate anything, there is always an overlying problem. My success feels totally void.

    I think i was also used to being abused for so long, 4 years, that it became normal to me to hear cruel comments and constant rejection.(also based in my experience with my mother) Now, i cant think of ever being with a guy again..there is just no way i can trust them to be fair or honest with me. I guess i cant trust myself to stand up for myself either. But if they fight dirty with me then i feel justified in doing the same back. I guess that people are always surprised..they expect me to stay meek but if they make me angry, they will feel it.

    I never grew up with any confidence..it just doesnt come no matter what i achieve. i think this has caused a lot of my feelings of low self worth to be ingrained, ive learnt watching other people..that they challenge what they are given, i never learnt to challenge or question anything to defend myself. People put me down easily and i hate it. But i have never been clever in speech, i can only write.

    I thought i wanted him back. but, i know now i just miss the physical comfort of a companion. Life with him in reality..was one crisis after another, he was angry a lot and needed all my attention, nothing was good enough, even though his friends thought he was lucky to have me..he found fault in everything. towards the end i bore the brunt of his anger..no longer on the pedestal he put me on in the beginning, i think he feared me leaving him a lot, he feared aging. It hurts horribly of course..maybe i am extra proud as a person to not believe it could happen this way..but i begged and pleaded without shame but purely from my feelings. I just didnt want to go back to the terrible isolation i had had before. Now i am here, i have to face it, feeling alone and unwanted is miserable for me. But i hate him and perhaps i had stopped loving him a long time ago but didnt want to leave.

     

    in reply to: Unable to move forward from old love #151314
    wildoceanflower
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    Hi Anita, i dont intend to contact him anymore. He did send a text to my parents, they told me this morning. i know it was my fault for getting out of control with texting him, i wanted answers that i just wont get from him..its been really so so difficult being alone, then to get the creepy profile when i tried online dating…he makes me feel trapped.

    I dont love him anymore, ive left nothing lingering to chance for sure its extreme..this was clearly my closure.

    The disturbing part of the story is him..a normal person would not have done what he did, my family are not used to dealing with police when they disagree, he is and has always had issues with other people and jumps to extremes.  there is evidence to the contrary of what he says, both from witnesses and from texts on my phone. I remember he had a verbal fight with a business connection..the guy told me to my face that he had threatened him..at the time i was shocked but again, why did i not see it as a pattern? because it was the first time.

    But i have learnt my lesson the hard way, I am not going to contact him again or any of his family. He is sick. I have been nostalgic for our life but it was probably largely in my wishful thinking.

    I just have to make a mind block for myself, remind myself of his dangerous side everytime i feel sad. If his own family said i was better off without him, i should believe them..he can rant all he wants. I know full well that they have seen it all before.

    The upsetting thing is that he has moved to live in my area.

    Im sorry for the shock

    in reply to: Unable to move forward from old love #151250
    wildoceanflower
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    Anita, its escalated in a way i didnt imagine. He has told me that he put a harrassment order on me with the police ( i dont know if its true). I havent received anything but he has sent a message threatening me that he is going to contact my parents and a put a lawsuit against me.

    This kind of threatening behaviour has actually happened before..i didnt take it seriously because i just couldnt believe someone who loved me would do it but i am realising now, hes got some mental problems, he doesnt know what to do with emotions and has no empathy at all for the pain of others. I have to stop dreaming because he is getting aggressive.

    He once kicked me out of his house when we had an argument while i was cooking, early on in our relationship. i was cutting up vegetables and he was goading me, saying nasty things. I was crying but that made him much worse, it always did. but i think you can guess by now, he likes to be cruel. much more than any boyfriend i ever had.  He told me that i had a knife in my hand and i was threatening him, i never did..he was threatening me with the same issue. He said he would call the police if i didnt leave..Instead he called my parents and they told me later that he said some extremely erratic and abnormal things about me, very strange things. They told him then and there that this wasnt the kind of thing you called the police about, that is was a matter of discussing it between the two of us. He couldnt seem to handle that, he didnt understand.  They took me back to their place. We lived apart after that, i had gotten back with him because by then i loved him so much i guess i thought it was a blip.  My parents recently said they wished i had just moved on from that point. But i loved him too much. It was stupid, i thought there was a way round his behaviour. i see now, the new woman is probably thinking the same thing!

    At this point..i dont want to see him again. He says he has used the texts i sent as evidence. I can’t actually believe this is happening..he is frightening. I guess i had hoped he would have some mercy on me..recognise that i was saying those things out of despair..but instead he reacted this way.

    My work is based in his area. He moved about half an hour away to be nearer to me..at least thats what he said 6 months ago.  he immediately dumped me as soon as he got here. Im scared now that my only income will be affected by his extreme behaviour. I sent a lot of texts to him…it was wrong i was emotional…. i thought it would be cathartic…i instead received the brunt of his anger.

    I had contacted his son previously to say goodbye, his son is adult and replied just fine, i was in touch with his father in law too..he didnt ignore me either. But then i went to see his gf at his house. He is using this as evidence of harrassment. I only wanted to know the truth, and i finally got if from her.. he cheated on us both. He definitely lied. she seemed to want to stay despite the fact but i think this truth must have angered him more than i realised. He wanted control over us both. He didnt like that i had gone on my own and found out the truth. Im guessing this is typical narcissist behaviour.

    I am lucky to have friends to help me, and they know the police. I am definitely not going to contact him, or go near him. but it is very upsetting that he has taken this stance when i live and work here, he can live and work anywhere he wants because  he has money. I am the one struggling to survive. I feel he wants to destroy me?

     

    in reply to: Unable to move forward from old love #151108
    wildoceanflower
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    Hi Anita, I dont think there is any improvement at all. For instance, just now i saw that my ex had changed his facebook status to be in a relationship with her…these are small stupid things i know. Both of us were never into social media at all..but she seems to use it and has obviously urged him to change it to make it all official..i know psychologically its an ownership badge, she wants everyone to know. I need to use facebook for my work and now get constant friend suggestions of this woman popping up on my phone (i have stopped it now). It has put me into total despair.

    Also, I had tried to go on a dating site..a few times i have tried it and then removed myself because i get people saying hi but cant bring myself to answer, i dont want to.. i feel im forced by this awful situation and it makes me feel cheap and lonely..like i have to sleep with someone to get rid of it. but there is no way to meet guys here otherwise….

    not so long ago, there was a new profile that had ‘liked’ me. it was clearly a fake profile..no photo, no information but the name and few details were creepy. This appeared after i had texted my ex following the visit to his gf saying i knew he had lied to me. It doesnt seem like he could do it but i could be wrong? could she have done it? who? It makes me feel sick to feel someone watching and laughing at me…for my failed life. I was really so happy when i was with him. Now, i had to take myself off again..i feel paranoid.

    I also cant stop myself from trying to communicate and reason with him..the more i hear nothing the more i want to speak its killing me. i called him today about the dating website thing and i feel like such a loser..he wont reply. I know also that perhaps i just make him run more to her because he just wants to forget me. Why cant i?

     

    in reply to: Unable to move forward from old love #150906
    wildoceanflower
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    Hi Anita,

    Thank you as i dont think i would have been able to get through this without your help.

    I dont think of being with him as the only way, its just the way i really wanted to go. I say that past tense now because i know he doesnt want me back. I think he feels guilt about it..but i guess he stopped loving me, i think i said before..theres some anger he has about me, i dont know why he cant just work that out. I have really gone to town on trying to communicate, i guess i really look like a loser. And hes not interested..he wants to stick his head in the sand. But he meant so so much to me. He was my home.

    I wonder if this means im weak in the mind..not being able to let go, always failing in relationships..there ALWAYS is some girl who then sashays in all fun and fresh, without fail. That is definitely going to create a deep fear for me.. Im afraid of meeting someone new who will do the same thing again when i really love them. Its not fair to hear couples who fell in love..and then the guy pursued and pursued until she would marry him..WOW! that has never happened to me! Im 40 and people say im good looking. Maybe that has something to do with it, guys often say im too good for them..so therefore there is no one for me.

    But in a strange way, i feel i am stronger in myself than before, that something will come from this, something creative..i have to survive but the best way for me to do that is alone, it always has been the best way for me to get stronger..to go through the fire alone. Still, i know my life could really be so much easier. How i wish that things were different! but this is what i am dealt.

     

     

     

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