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  • #48377
    Bruce
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    Good morning everyone

    I hope you’re all doing well

    I’m currently experiencing what is probably the most difficult trial I have experienced thus far…I will paint a bit of a picture…i’m a 25 year old male, who recently “ended” a 3 and a half year, toxic on-again off-again blurred “relationship” with a girl I had once thought to be…my best friend…now, the reason there are quotations, are due to the nature of the relationship…we were never actually IN one (I know I know)…I will give you some background…at the time we first met, I was recently 21, she 18, with her pursuing me…from the start, I ignored just about every red flag and was so seemingly “blinded” by rose colored glasses, I never really saw any initial issues…about her, she comes from a horrible family foundation, and that might be an understatement, her birth mother and father are non-extistent in her life, with her mother occasionally coming into her life to toy with her, seriously…her adopted family (aunt and uncle) was one that put her constantly at odds with her aunt over the attention of the uncle…who earlier this year kicked my former companion out, because she lied in an attempt to protect her brother, who was caught purchasing drugs…upon kicking her out, the uncle (who probably was the only halfway positive member in her entire family) had a few choice words for her, including how she was nothing but a “bastard that would never amount to anything”…as far as relationships go…she was very hurt, in her first relationship, her boyfriend cheated on her, would make attempts to reconcile, and do it again…her closest circle of friends have a “player” mentality that she began to adopt after this, seeking relationships more for entertainment…and then when things got too deep, or boring…she’d move on, often times cheating on them as well…this mentality, compounding with her family background…caused her to outright, not really believe in love…and then, she met me…at the time, I was completely unaware of anything about myself, subconsciously…but, after my recent mishap, it’s enlightened me to quite a few things through “self diagnosis” studying psychology, philosophy, and Buddhist-zen principles…prior, on the surface I could probably best be described as an “against the crowd” type of person…calm, cool, and collected…intelligent and confident…witty, sarcastic, attractive…with a quiet, but very big heart…but even now, I can admit…it’s been some time since I’ve felt 100% confident in all of those traits…without going into too much detail…we did the “push and pull” for about 3 and a half years…I, the “hero” that needed to “save” her…she the “hurt” person who needed someone to “prove” to her…love existed…I did the giving, she the taking…the fighting for the relationship, she the pushing away…we fell in love with ideas of what we could be (we’re going to get married, have kids, etc.), rather than what we actually were…we were always waiting on her to have some “magical transformation”, or to just grow up…me on the other hand…i’m a bit of a perfectionist, and she fed that…always telling me how amazing I was, how beautiful a person I am, how she knows she’ll never meet anyone in the world like me…and it became my task…I told myself, she’s just young, immature, she’s just hurt, i’ll show her that true love exists…and then it would happen, she’d abruptly change her mind about what she wanted, become cold, push me away, or tell me i’m too good for her…i’d fight, and fight, and when i’d eventually walk away…she’d come right back…while we were “exclusive” for a time, again, we were never actually in a relationship, because of course, she always thought she’d hurt me…so rather than pay attention to the bright coca-cola red flag smacking me in the face…I told myself, i’ve just got to be patient with her…but the nature of our “blurred relationship” only amplified the issues…the favors, the loans, the gifts…i’d be confused as to whether I was just being a “good person”, friend, or showing how much I cared…the dates, the sex, the hanging out…confused me as to whether we were just being casual or working towards something more…it became a breeding ground for insecurity and resentment…with every hiccup my confidence would deplete more and more…i’d become hypersensitive to every remark she made…when I voiced concerns over certain things, or asked the “wrong questions”…she’d either flee the situation, get defensive, turn it back on me, or outright tell me that I needed to “chill”…it all came to a head earlier this year, and it’s the situation that i’m seemingly still struggling with…I was enlisted to drive her and her friends downtown for her birthday, given the circumstances, I wasn’t exactly thrilled but, as always, felt “compelled” to do so anyway…as a long story short, to what happened, I felt as though I was being treated disrespectfully throughout the entire night…and this mixed with what was already bubbling for a long time, caused me to more or less…explode, while driving her cousins home…I vented to them about her disrespect, how she’s done things like what she’d done that night before, how she only cared about herself, etc…they in turn informed her the next day…I attempted to, “get ahead” of the situation by texting her the next day, where she simply informed me that she’d heard about all the “shit” i’d been talking…and it was the last time she’d ever ask me for anything again…and ignored every text I sent after, a week went by, I attempted to make contact with her regarding an issue i’d been harboring…i’d suspected for sometime she had other people in her life…to which I confronted her about, she first made an attempt to confuse me, then lied, and walked away…only to reach out to me again about a month later…where we “talked”…at the time, since I was still emotionally reeling, I actually thought it was productive…but in hindsight…it infuriates me…every point I brought up, she’d turn back around on me, saying things like “i’m allowed to talk to other people, YOU are too” “when we started talking again, YOU considered us to be more, I just considered us friends” “YOU didn’t have to loan me money, YOU could have said no, I just considered them gifts” “Just because YOU mean everything you say, doesn’t mean I do too” “YOU let me get away with way too much”…the only thing she’d take responsibility for…was not telling me thank you, for driving her and her cousins around all night…she did so, to the point where suddenly, it was ME who was 95% wrong for the event and most of what had been transpiring…and she, 5%, if she really had to take any at all…and what ABSOLUTELY INFURIATES me…is that I believed it, to the point where we attempted to reconcile once again…and I went out of my way to purchase an “apology gift” for her and her cousins in an attempt to “kiss and make up”, one to which, she rolled her eyes and said she really didn’t think it was necessary…THAT, is my problem…i’ve conquered 99% of my issues except for the absolute ANGER, with myself…for whatever reason, it feels like my pride, dignity, values, my “manhood”, was in that gift…at the time I thought it was the right thing to do, tried to convince myself it was an apology for over reacting, for speaking ill of her, involving her cousins in our quarrel, for driving too fast while her and her cousins were in the car, for looking through her PUBLIC twitter page to discover other people in her life, I thought, it was me giving an apology for my share of the blame…but in hindsight, it was just people pleasing, the fact that I had her on a pedestal, how I always wanted to see the good in her, how she could do no wrong, how I was still emotionally destroyed to the point where I was willing to “back down” or “give in” even to my once unwavering ideals…it’s the anger, with myself for allowing that, and all of this to occur…I know ego is involved, pride, how a man is “supposed” to act…but in all honesty, as my own biggest critic, I feel, well, weak…as if I let myself down, forsook my own self-respect…for the sake of love, I don’t believe I ever truly even had for myself…any insight, guidance, past or similar…would be appreciated…

    Thanks

    BW

    #48387
    AikiBen
    Participant

    Hi Bruce,

    You remind me so much of myself. I’ve been there and done that a few times I can tell you and so have many many other guys so don’t worry about it. It’s something that seems to happen more easily when you’re a sensitive guy because we are more liable to become infatuated (note: NOT love, google infatuation vs love and see which one applied for you) and to give up our power to a woman – both of which are personal boundary problems. You seem like a pretty bright guy so I think you’ll be able to understand well enough to overcome this.

    I have been there and overcome it (most of the time!) myself, we can all slip up occasionally though, and you know when you have, when you cross yourself, because you feel exactly as you’ve described. I’ve learned to ALWAYS put your own self-respect first, above everything. Sometimes this can be extremely hard and counter-intuitive. The funny thing is that when you do this it magnetises the woman you’re with towards you, not doing this has the opposite effect, and it’s very clear. It’s like they can feel your strength, your integrity, and it’s very attractive. The thing you said above: “YOU let me get away with way too much” demonstrates this perfectly, it speaks the truth. Nowadays, when women make demands of me which could compromise me in any way or which I plain just don’t want to do, I say no, they have often then gotten angry or upset, which I remain indifferent to and they then end up later on wanting to see me even more! Don’t misunderstand though, what I’m talking about is quite subtle, I’m not mean to women, when I say upset I mean in a tantrum-like way because I’m not letting them have it all their way. What I’m talking about is having utmost integrity and a solid personal boundary, communicating very clearly, yes that is OK, no that is out of order, I expect better.

    I have gotten very much involved in spiritual wisdom myself and I need to highlight one of the potential pitfalls, and it’s to do with kindness. It’s very easy in situations with women, I know because I’ve done it, to end up being too nice and overly accommodating, thinking that you’re just showing how much you care. The problem is that this is caused by neediness (again boundary) and drives women (and men) away. True kindness comes from a position of integrity and strength, from recognising that there is a need for kindness, so it’s really about what’s driving it.

    I should mention, a lot of what I’m talking about here is wisdom from the dating guru David DeAngelo. What he teaches is really about being a mature, masculine man. He explains well the importance of keeping your own power and about personal boundaries. Your self esteem is protected by your boundary. He explains that ‘holes’ in your boundary allow people to reach inside and steel your ‘psychological gold’, e.g. self respect. You have to learn to patch the holes up so that you don’t let women take any of your gold away ever again. I can recommend at least signing up to his mailing list. It may help you get the balance right between giving and knowing when to say no, and teach you a lot of other very helpful stuff too.

    #48404
    Bruce
    Participant

    AikiBen

    Thank you for reaching out!

    A lot of what you’re saying makes a great deal of sense. Our personal boundaries needed a good amount of work, and it definitely contributed to the situation. What really stood out to me was how you described the subtlety between kindness, and more or less putting your foot down. It’s something i’ve been able to demonstrate at times, but certainly not on a consistent basis, nor to the amount i’d like to display. I will also look more into both the infatuation concept, as well as David DeAngelo to gain further insight. Oddly enough, I was able to “cut off” and walk away fairly easily from a similar relationship years ago, this time I think was so difficult due to the blurred roles and nature of the relationship as a whole. Still, it is somewhat comforting that internally, I seem to be able to detect this and make strides to rectify it, as I have done in past relationships.

    I appreciate the wisdom AikiBen

    Bruce

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