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August 23, 2019 at 8:40 am #309057SusyParticipant
Taking only these two facts into consideration… I just need to let it go. 🙁
August 23, 2019 at 10:39 am #309067PeggyParticipantHi Susy,
Scorpio with the sting in the tail! I get on very well with the Scorpio personality but they like to have control of a relationship – not to be confused with being “controlling”. They may seem like extrovert characters but can be quite good at keeping things hidden. I’m a little surprised that he is entering into a distance relationship with you – tears in his eyes when he has to leave. How that can tug at the heartstrings!
Go to the party and see what happens. The fact that he’s picking you up sounds like he’s treating it like a date or perhaps I’m reading that wrong but you will be arriving with him. That could well be giving other people a covert message such as “she’s with me”.
I do hope that you have a lovely time and that you will be able to see more clearly the way forward.
Peggy
August 23, 2019 at 10:39 am #309071AnonymousGuestDear Susy:
I see your sad face there.
You mentioned values in your original post, that you and him have similar values. He told you that he appreciates that you say you are sorry when you are wrong instead of blaming him, and he appreciates you being “a calm and collected woman”, so he values these things about you.
Problem is that for as long as he values passion and excitement more than what he values about you, then he will continue to seek her company (or avail himself to her when she seeks his company).
It is about what people value and within the list of what they value- what it is that they value more.
anita
August 23, 2019 at 12:59 pm #309105SusyParticipantThank you Peggy. It will be very awkward, as none of our mutual friends know that we have met… not to mention the rest of it. Anyways, I love them a lot, it will be a birthday party, and I made the best new york style cheesecake ever. I really put my heart and soul to it 🙂 We’ll see…
August 23, 2019 at 1:17 pm #309107SusyParticipantDear Anita,
Thank you again for your words. I do need them to think about.
He often told me that I’m the “perfect wife material”… and that he really should buy the ring right away. Yet, here I am. I guess it will be his loss in the end 🙂August 23, 2019 at 2:26 pm #309113AnonymousGuestDear Susy:
You are welcome. If he is honest like you think he is, maybe there are new questions you can ask him, see if he answers them honestly.
I wonder: if he thinks that you are “perfect wife material” is it that he is not looking for a wife at this time (and therefore you are “Friend-zone(d)”) or is it that he thinks that you are not perfect wife material .. for him? Or is there a third option that is not occurring to me at this moment.
Maybe this is a question to ask him.
anita
August 23, 2019 at 10:14 pm #309129PeggyParticipantDear Susy,
You sound like a really fun personality – I’d love to have you as a friend. New York cheesecake is my favorite and yes, it will most definitely be his loss.
You would make a perfect wife! but what he wants most in life right now is a friend? What if the third option is that he is running scared? What if he is scared of commitment – not just with you but with anyone?
I’m sure you’ll let us know how the party goes.
Peggy
August 24, 2019 at 10:25 am #309149SusyParticipantDear Anita and Peggy,
Thank you for rooting for me. I just got home from the “party”, it was more like a family gathering, and I decided to come home a bit earlier. He came for me in the morning to pick me up, I felt my heart racing in my throat the whole time while there was just the two of us. I got presents from him: a coffee mug with a quote “you are so special”, he got it for me a week after we met when he went for a short trip to France. (so at the time we were still “together”, or sort of) There is also a picture on the mug, having an “inside joke sort of meaning”, very intimate, which makes sense only to me. And also a basket of fruits, because I told him a week or so ago that I would kill to have some fresh pineapples and mango… I still don’t understand why didn’t he just throw the mug away. I gave him a friendly kiss on his cheek saying thank you, and pretty much that was it. It was soooo awkward…We had some small talk on the way, but I really just ignored him looking out the window, I was not prepared to hear any type of “lets just be friends” conversation. (which did not happen) I sensed he felt strange too. I’m sooo not ready to be friends. Don’t get me wrong… He is a nice person. He is very caring. I know his friends can count on him anytime. But I’m not yet ready for this.
I stayed for a good 6 hrs, I was talking with friends, grilling, eating, having fun. The cake turned out to be pretty good, everyone complimented and I had a great time. Then got away with some excuse that I needed to do some work, which is kind of true, but I could just postpone it.
He will stay here for a week, and we earlier agreed to go to some places, but that was before..
I guess for now I can’t do anything else but wait and while I do that, I have to really let go. I’m so very tired of analyzing his behaviour and words…
I had so many bad things going on this past year. My best female friend died of heart failure at age of 35, the very next morning after my birthday party in downtown…My male best friends father passed away this spring too, and I loved that man like my own dad. I had a surgery… I’m broke up with my ex boyfriend of 9 years…. I’m was just so happy and excited about this guy 2 months ago. I really feel sorry that it did not continue the way it started.Thank you again for your patience with me. In real life I’m a very reserved person, when it comes to relationships. Especially when there are complications. I’m more like a listener for everyone, but never really tell about my own struggles. Sorry for the venting…
August 24, 2019 at 11:31 am #309159AnonymousGuestDear Susy:
I will be able to read and respond to your recent post when am back to the computer in about 18 hours from now.
anita
August 24, 2019 at 11:45 am #309163PeggyParticipantHi Susy,
That’s quite a lot of things to happen in the same year – I’m sorry for all your losses – hope you are feeling OK and have recovered from your surgery. The world needs listeners – it brings its own therapy with it, listening without judging. It’s good that you’ve vented. Everyone needs to release their angst from time to time.
You’ve clearly invested a lot of emotions into this relationship. Personally, I am not a fan of the “let’s remain friends” scenario. To me, if it is over then it is over. I’m not sure if you can let someone go if you carry on seeing them but under a different heading. I would find that difficult.
If you want to share more of your losses, then please do.
Peggy
August 25, 2019 at 7:03 am #309207AnonymousGuestDear Susy:
I often re-read a member’s past posts when I get new information in a recent post, to see if I can get some new understanding re-reading, having a new piece of information/ idea in my mind as I re-read. It also helps me process information when I re-type the member’s words. So here we go:
Previously: “I never ever initiated contact, nor the visit. I was a bit reserved… he told me, that he loves me, and finds me attractive and a really kind person, but he misses something. Like … passion… I’m nothing like his ex.. I’m calm and collected, not needy and not at all a drama queen… I’m not going to pursue him in any shape or form, I was even thinking about refusing him to pick me up tomorrow”.
Recent post: “I felt my heart racing in my throat the whole time while there was just the two of us… I gave him a friendly kiss on his cheek saying thank you… We had some small talk on the way, but I really just ignored him looking out the window.. Then got away with some excuse…I had so many bad things going.. My best female friend died of heart failure at age of 35, the very next morning after my birthday party… I had a surgery… I was just so happy and excited about this guy 2 months ago… In real life I’m a very reserved person, when it comes to relationships.. I’m more like a listener for everyone, but never really tell about my own struggles. Sorry for the venting”.
My thoughts this morning: personally I prefer “calm and collected” over a “drama queen” and I think every man will benefit from calm-and-collected and get hurt in a relationship with a drama queen. I prefer interacting with calm-and-collected people over drama queens.. or kings anytime!
Having said that, it is possible that you are too reserved (“I’m a very reserved person, when it comes to relationships”), too reserved, that is. And unless a man has a strong preference toward a very reserved woman, he will be indeed missing something, just like this man said (“he misses something. Like passion”).
When riding with him in the car very recently, your heart was racing but you acted very cool, looking out of the window as he talked, showing him that you are not listening or involved with him.
What if this very reserved nature in the context of a relationship is not so much an authentic part of you but a result of fear, that is, you are protecting yourself from hurt.
Final thoughts in this post: there is nothing wrong with you protecting yourself, of course. And again, I like calm-and-collected. But it is possible that if you aim at acting less reserved, more invested while keeping certain boundaries (ex: not having sex with him, or generally with a man who friend zoned you), it may serve you better.
No need to apologize for venting. Some venting, in moderation, feels wonderful and this man may like it, if you vent to him, talk with emotion in your voice, go on and on ..for just a moment or two.
anita
August 25, 2019 at 10:27 am #309235SusyParticipantDear Anita,
Yes, this can be the case, and it is very true that I feel the need to protect myself.
Although I think I closed myself down completely after I sensed some shift in him. Before that I was much more open, I was reading and sending him recorded voice messages of my favorite love poems, we were very intimate. Usually I warm up slowly, but with him it was maybe even too fast at first. But after he told me he still have some issues with his ex, it is very true that I felt not so safe anymore…I really would love to ask your opinion. He sent me a text today, that he was really sorry that I went home earlier, and he was hoping that I would come back later in the evening when I was finished with my tasks… and he asked me if I have some problems, because he also felt that I was being really myself or comfortable yesterday.
Is it really a question one should ask? Isn’t it obvious? And if it is not -and I really don’t think he wants to be cruel here – should I somehow phrase that I feel hurt/sad…
August 25, 2019 at 11:13 am #309243AnonymousGuestDear Susy:
I think that it is a very good idea that you tell him that you feel hurt and sad, absolutely. Of course it is a good idea. Tell him like it is. It is healthy to do so and you have nothing to lose, no down side to expressing yourself honestly and authentically that I can se.
If you do so, let me know what happens next, if anything. But note, if you will: express yourself honestly and authentically, without thinking how you would like him to respond or what you should say or not for the purpose of him responding in any particular way.
anita
August 25, 2019 at 12:33 pm #309255SusyParticipantI really would love to ask your opinion. He sent me a text today, that he was really sorry that I went home earlier, and he was hoping that I would come back later in the evening when I was finished with my tasks… and he asked me if I have some problems, because he also felt that I was NOT being myself or comfortable yesterday.
Is it really a question one should ask? Isn’t it obvious? And if it is not -and I really don’t think he wants to be cruel here – should I somehow phrase that I feel hurt/sad…
Sorry for my mistakes, I’m not a native english speaker, plus I type really fast, and not always notice my mistakes.
I will wait with the answer just a little, otherwise I’ll act out for sure… or maybe it is not a problem anymore, it can’t be worse than that.
August 25, 2019 at 12:36 pm #309257SusyParticipantMaybe there is some work I should do on how to express my emotions, even if I take risks with that.
Last year it was easier to get everything under total control.. I was really scared to express either good or bad things. I felt that if I do, and I lose control, there will be no turning back…. Not sure, if you understand me. -
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