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  • #180639
    Anonymous
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    Hi Jen,

    I applaud your efforts to do some internal searching and discovery. As predicted, he has returned. As anticipated, he would like to recreate the same pattern. Whether he waits two weeks or a year does not matter. What you want is a healthy relationship that meets your needs and his. To change your relationship dynamic, you will need to change the only thing you actually can–yourself. If you want love and respect, you must not compromise for less. Communicate what you desire (in a positive frame versus saying what he is dong wrong). Be ready and willing to back your requirements by letting him opt in or opt out. People always reveal themselves to you, but it may not be what you hoped for. Back up your standards and boundaries with new behavior of your own. As you change to love yourself more, respect yourself more, he will follow suit or you will move on.
    Most men do not want to be contacted at work for many reasons. Instead of seeking change here, respect his wish to not call at his workplace. When he puts you on his list as a lower priority, do the same with him. Stop the pursuit of his affection. Instead get and stay focused on your own life. Find ways to give yourself the love, comfort and excitement you desire. Do this always. You truly are responsible for your own happiness. Always be in pursuit of your own goals and passions. When you do you will have an irresistible magnetic quality that people crave.
    That said, he cannot give any guarantees things will be different. The only way you will know if things can be different is to do the following:
    1. Know your self worth and love yourself first (and always).
    2. Know what you accept and cannot accept (your standards).
    3. Establish firm (and self loving) boundaries.
    4. Know the type of relationship you truly desire.
    5. When you date (this or any guy) watch to see what he reveals to you by his actions. When he stops showing love or respect, it’s your cue to step away, because you will not compromise your own love and respect.
    6. Communicate openly without judgment or over analyzing. Try to find out and understand his needs and how he experiences respect. Through communication, try to find a balance between your need for closeness and his need for greater independence. Understanding his point of view without fear or defensiveness will give you great insight. His perceptions are his own and yours are yours alone. Neither are necessarily a reflection on you or your relationship. Communicating openly (expressing what is important to you and how you experience that) helps create a road map to happiness (should you both choose to accommodate the needs of the other without compromising your self love or standards). Open communication allows you to find common ground.
    7. Change happens in the NOW. Everything we learn today and do today helps create our future. So after a period of self reflection and commitment to become your best self, take steps to put the above in action. No one is perfect. Old patterns will return even with the best of intentions to change, but if you react according to your self love and now firm standards and do not attempt to control the outcome you will find a far different reaction.
    8. Take baby steps to establishing a new relationship. Both your old ways did not yield contentment. Take new actions and take is slow. Fulfill your life for you and share that with others.
    9. When conflict arises, get control of your emotions before you communicate with your significant other. Seek first to understand him before trying to get him to understand you. This often avoids many unnecessary hurts usually triggered by assumptions and fears.
    10. Always remember you are responsible for your own feelings and your own happiness.
    Wishing you great self-discovery and continues strength. Trust yourself and know that you can make changes that you will feel good about. Those changes are for YOU and not this guy or this relationship. That said, they will no doubt influence him and your relationship in a positive way.
    Best of luck to you.
    #180719
    Jen
    Participant

    Thanks so much you, Anita and A4U. You guys are understanding my problem way better than even my close friends do, thanks so much, really.

    I think you guys are right. it really makes me think that I indeed am stuck with him and this relationship, taking anything even slightly positive from his side as love. I’ve clearly forgotten the standards of love that I’d initially set for myself and over these 6 years have come really low. You’re right. I’ve felt the same many a times but I still couldn’t imagine being with anyone else and I feel that’s where I went wrong. There have been men who’ve either asked me out or have over a period of time shown me a lot of affection probably waiting for me to come to my senses and leave this relationship but I don’t know, it’s like my head and heart is stuck with this man, I feel as if  I’d rather get little love from him than get a lot of love from someone who’s not him. I remember this one time when a guy asked me out in front of one of my friends and I politely declined, my friend, who knew how taken for granted I am in my relationship, burst out at me that why am I pushing other men away only to be one man’s doormat and I told her that I’d rather have him give me 20% love than have another man who gives me 100% love because I just want him.  I now understand even more deeply, after you also pointed out, that I’m really stuck. I need to learn to remove my heart and mind from him because I’m only inviting more pain.  A man who couldn’t realize things and value me in 6 years, will never do so. I’m only banging my head against a wall. Today he’ll show me love because I’m gone but once I’m back, I’ll again be where I was 3 weeks back when I first messaged here, all devastated. You’re right.

    And yes, I’m going to keep telling myself everyday that loving me and respecting myself first is now the motto of life, now and always. I indeed had lost all respect in my relationship. If I look at the self-assured and confident woman that I was 6 years ago vis-a-vis the cry-baby that I’ve become today, I feel both miserable and ashamed at how could I let someone treat me like this and still take some strange pride in loving him as if I’m a toy that you can throw and pull however you want for your pleasure.  I was so naive.

    I’ll tell you this incident. So i’m wheatish complexioned, between fair and dusky, almost the Jennifer Aniston complexion. Now, I never even saw it as something not so perfect, like I never even thought about it. I loved my skin color and the people around me loved it (I’ve come to realise now that this part doesn’t matter, but earlier the fact that other people found me beautiful did add to my sense of self-worth). As I said, we had a long distance, started online and we met say once in 5-6 months. Now  before we first met, whenever we used to talk about beauty and features and actors and other stuff, he used to repeatedly ask me about my complexion. He once asked me my height, weight, vital stats and peace but my complexion, he asked it repeatedly. sometimes I got irritated that How many times will you ask me the same thing and he used to always cover up with I keep forgetting and it’s not very clear in the photos. Even when we met, he just casually said, oh, we have such a color difference, but then hugged me and was like, however you are, you are good (‘did I even say I felt I’m not good’, was what went in head but I said nothing.) The biggest thing was yet to come. He once asked me what’s your colour, I was like wheatish, how many times will you ask me, he was like god I totally forgot, i told my friends you’re really fair by mistake, he told me that he was having a conversation with his friends and he told them about me and that i was pretty and nice and tall and slim and very fair. when one of his friends must have said, ‘I think she’s got the kim kardashian colour’ as they’ve seen me on social media (this is at least what he told me), he was like no she’s very fair and showed them a picture of mine in which I’m looking fairer because of lighting maybe as proof. I felt bad and puzzled that how can someone forget things like height body size complexion of their partners and he was clearly lying but I kept shut. The biggest blow was this one day when we were talking about stuff and about friends and chuckling and he giggled and said you know I know you are wheatish but I tell my friends, You are really fair. He said it so matter-of-factly and started saying something else then. I stopped him and was like whatt? why? he was like just like that, but i persisted that when you know my colour, why would you lie about it, he said “because saying you’re fair will make them jealous”. I said a what!! Bye and hung up. And I cried so bad that day. I was haunted for days by, do these things like skin colour and making friends jealous matter so much to him, is he ashamed/uncomfortable of the way i look that he has to lie about it, did he not once think how embarrassed will i feel when his friends actually meet me and see I’m not what he’s projected me as, even if i understand his want to flaunt his gf, am i, the way i am, not enough? this is just complexion but there are actual flaws that humans have, god forbid if tomorrow i have some actual flaw, will he go about hiding it and lying?

    But we got back. Shit guys I’m feeling really angry at myself now for treating myself so bad and letting someone treat me so bad just because I love him. I kept justifying and forgiving the pain that he gave me in the present by remembering some moments of love that he gave me in the past. i will now learn to love myself and respect myself the most.

    Thanks so much you both. I’ll hopefully get back after a few weeks, hopefully in a better state of mind <3

    #180737
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Jen:

    You wrote: “it’s like my head and heart is stuck with this man, I feel as if I’d rather get little love from him than get a lot of love from someone who’s not him… I’d rather have  him give me 20% love than have another man who gives me 100% love because I just want him.”

    Back to my child/ parent analogy from my last post to you: when a child grows up with a mostly unloving parent, with a parent who gives the child 20% love and ignores/ mistreats her 80% of the time, that child develops hunger for love from her mother, intense  hunger for the missing love, the missing 80% love, so to add up to a 100%.

    If a neighbor offers that child attention, a lot of attention, it  is not the same, for that child. The hunger is associated specifically with her mother. It is her mother’s love that she  is hungry for. The child has no greater  wish, no greater desire than to see her mother change from 20% to 100%.

    Reads to  me that it  is the very fact that this man offered  you 20% that triggered your specific-to-him desire for the rest of the 80%, your intense desire for 100% love. A man who seems to offer, let’s say 70% to start with doesn’t trigger that old desire.

    Can it be?

    anita

    #180857
    Jen
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    Exactly, it is exactly that. And I think also that he does give me 100 or say even a 150% of love when I leave. Then he’ll call me, show genuine care, be appreciative and basically everything that comprises my concept of 100% love. So that keeps my hopes running that he is giving me 20% love in general but is actually capable of 100%, and all my efforts are spent in trying to make him give the same 100% that he gives after I leave, when I’m actually with him.

    I think had he been the same when I’m there and when I leave, I would have understood after a while that he’s incapable of giving me 100% love but the fact that, in certain situations he does give me my perfect love, keeps me hanging. God, this is so difficult. But you’ve been right, I’m stuck and I’m spending my energy in the wrong place. I’ve tried every way, including reasoning it with him but he either only refuses being different when I get back with him and says I’m just the same or will seem to understand and promise to not repeat it but he does.  I might as well spend all that energy on myself. I hope I can pull this through this time.

    #180891
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Jen:

    I too hope that you can “pull this through this time”.

    About the “150% of love when (you) leave”- maybe it is his behavior alone that impresses you so much but his values don’t fit that behavior long term. Meaning, his behavior pleases you but while he behaves lovingly he still doesn’t value you enough to not mistreat you later on.

    Can’t trust love when it  doesn’t include valuing the supposed loved-one.

    anita

    #180951
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Hi Jen,

    I understand the conflict of feelings you are experiencing. I applaud your efforts to return to self love and self respect.

    Many of the comments you shared about your ex’s behavior are manipulative tactics. Manipulation is, at its core, an effort to obtain and retain control of another. Classic manipulations include: intermittent reinforcement, withdrawal/silent treatment/stonewalling, love bombing (such as when he returns to you), belittling/fault-finding, back handed comments, etc. Being on the receiving end of these tactics is painful and confusing. Your ex may be using these behaviors intentionally or unintentionally, but regardless the result is the same. He gains control (to do as he wishes) and you are left confused, in pain, longing to return to “the beginning” while losing grip on your own self love and self esteem.

    When a man is critical of your intrinsic traits (physical attributes, ethnicity, etc.) simply reply, “I’m all good with me.” and mean it! This cuts off his manipulative tactics. If he persists say, “It sounds like you’re looking for a girl to impress your friends. I base my relationships on deeper values. Maybe you should move on.” At this point he is either likely to backpedal or apologize. Unfortunately, he is not likely to change his behavioral patterns, but you will retain your self esteem. Additionally, by taking this approach, you teach him to respect you because you respect yourself. He would know he cannot continue along the same lines or he will meet consequences. This is what self values and boundaries are all about. You have all the information you need to understand his patterns. Your continued hope to have a loving result is not wrong, but is likely not with this man right now.

    For now, give your beautiful self all the love you have longed for from another. Don’t try to change or fix another (it is NOT possible). Stand firm on your values and self respect. Know your worth  http://affinity4us.com/know-your-worth/

    You will find others who feel lucky to have your caring attention and will mirror your self love and self respect. Stay strong and love you more. Wishing you much peace and love.

     

    #181069
    Jen
    Participant

    Guys, need help.

    So, I’d been holding strong and now it’s all back to square one.
    He sent me a lot of gifts today. Most importantly, he sent me handmade stuff, boxes with our pictures, a dozen bouquets in the morning. To add it all up, he traveled all the way from his city to mine, came outside my office and called on my office number saying come outside I want to meet you.

    I was shattered and filled with all kinds of feelings. I wanted to run and go meet him but knew that if I even see him, I’ll melt and forget everything and forgive him and get back with him when I’m neither emotionally stable yet nor am I remotely assured that he’s changing his ways. We haven’t met since long and meeting him would be everything that we’ve both wanted since long but now? Now when I’m shattered, now he wants to come and meet him when he didn’t care to even talk, let alone plan something when i was begging for his attention? I didn’t go. I didn’t go, stayed in the office. he ultimately left. i went back home and saw all the stuff he sent. i was overtaken by intense guilt but also anger that why now? to add it up, when i called to thank him for the gifts but said i won’t meet, he said then it’s over today and hung up. It made me feel as if I’m doing a crime, he shifted all the blame on me, my friends with whom he had collaborated are all saying you could have at least met, he came outside your office as if all my emotional turmoil doesn’t count. he can avoid me when he wants and now do this immense gesture of love. To add it up, he’s now behaving like I’m the bitch, he hung up on me and i stupidly called back to which he didn’t reply and texted a goodbye. I’ve been the one who’s been wronged and now just because I didn’t respond to his massive gesture of love because I’m too broken to face him right now, I become the bitch. Shit guys, did i actually do wrong? All that he did gets covered by this?

    #181071
    Jen
    Participant

    he was all emotional and upset that he came all the way and I can’t meet him. I was screaming on the phone that what about when I was all out wanting only to talk to you, then I get nothing and now when I’m trying to stabilize, you do this?

    #181083
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Jen:

    Well done, not meeting him outside your office, well done!

    I am impressed and awed that you didn’t and feel esteem for you for choosing to not meet him.

    Your friends were wrong to suggest that you should have  met him. There is a law of Cause and Consequence in physics, in nature, in life. He has wronged you, that is the Cause. You not seeing him outside your office is the Consequence. It is not your job to protect him from the consequences of his actions.

    When he repeatedly ignored you as you begged for his attention, he has wronged you. The right change in his behavior is to stop ignoring you while in a relationship with you, to attend to you. It should never be that you beg for his attention. By attending to you while on a break up, again, is not a correction of his behavior, but a repetition of same old, same old behavior.

    You feeling guilty is not congruent with reality. I often felt guilty in my life for what I was  not guilty of. So, you feeling guilty does not mean that you are guilty. In your case, your story, you are not guilty.

    Keep the good work of not seeing him outside your office and do not reach out to him. You can return his gifts if you would like, by the way, if you think it is right to do.

    anita

    #181091
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Hi Jen,

    No, you did not “do wrong”. You honored your feelings, thoughts and instincts. Bravo. His grand gestures are another manipulative tactic used to divert attention from your real issues and get you back on his terms. His insult and dismissal shows his lack of sincerity to change (as well as a bruised ego). If he had truly wanted to change the dynamic in your relationship, he would have addressed your concerns sincerely and not shown up unannounced with gifts and promises. Instead this follows the same behavioral pattern you described throughout.

    Your friends are not in your relationship. They do not live the results of your decisions. They likely thought of what they would do solely based upon what they have not experienced. Disregard what they have said. Only you can decide what is right for you. Stay strong to your own convictions.

    His love bombing and dismissal and discard are common narcissistic behaviors. I have no idea if he is one, only that what you have described above is consistent with that scale of behavior. Had you accepted his demands, you very likely would have returned to the same cycle, only worse. He no doubt would have punished you in some way, much as he is punishing you now. At best this is immature and ego-driven behavior.

    You deserve a loving, nurturing mature relationship filled with trust and understanding. So far, this does not sound like a healthy match. Take good care of yourself. Try to create some space to have peace and calm. Put all reminders of him away from sight and stay close to those who love you and want the best for you.

    #181103
    Jen
    Participant

    Thanks so much guys. I needed it now more than ever.

     

    I’m now feeling a little happy that I respected my feelings over his. I just feel a little damage is done, I’m again checking my phone every 5 minutes and constantly thinking of it. Close friends justifying him only gets more frustrating. So internally and emotionally I feel I’ve been really pushed down, this wasn’t done, he cannot appear, disappear and re-appear on his whims. Though there’s one good thing that came out of it. I saw that for all his love gesture, he’s just the same, the moment I refused what he wanted, the name avoiding, not answering call and talking rudely began. I guess it is naive to think he’ll change. You guys were right, we cannot change anyone unless they themselves want to change for their sake. Another of my illusions cleared today.

    No matter how emotionally damaged I feel in the coming days for I know I’m going to keep looking at my phone if he’s really gone but I’ll not let any of it show and will be radio silent on the outside. I wouldn’t let him gain control over me again, I’ll be in control of myself this time round.

     

     

    #181109
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Jen:

    You are welcome. The fact that he showed up outside your workplace was  not love, it was something else. But many people would mistaken it for love, including your friends. After  all, this is why he did it, because it appears like love, if you see the gesture in isolation. Taking in the whole picture, before the gesture and after, his behavior is not loving.

    I like your resolution to radio silent on the outside, to him. It is this kind of self control, to do the right thing for you regardless of how you feel, that will promote your self confidence and better functioning in every area of your life.

    I hope you post again soon enough with an update. Will soon be away from the computer for about 17 hours.

    anita

    #181133
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Hi Jen,

    You are right, sometimes people cannot support our hopes and dreams and do not desire to change. The good news is you keep all your hopes and dreams, but simply save them for another who truly appreciates the gift of you in their life. I understand you checking your phone, but do your best, when you do not find what you longed for, to recognize you made the best choice for your heart and life. Wish him well in your mind and move forward to care more for you. If he returns, be prepared to be true to you. You set your values and boundaries and never compromise on non-negotiables.

    Maybe take a little trip or do something nice for yourself that will give you a bit of peace and joy. Take care.

    #181163
    Jen
    Participant

    Thank You so much, you guys, for bearing with me and the prompt replies yesterday. Yesterday was one complete roller Coaster.  I feel I’ll now reset myself and get back after a month, hopefully in a better frame of mind.

    I did contemplate returning the gifts, Anita, but then we’ve both exchanged a lot of things and I know, being the person he is,  the moment I return his gift, he’ll start returning all my gifts and we’ll get into this ‘returning all the things we ever gifted each other’ and that at this point will become even more painful for me, there was a lot of love attached to all that I gifted him and to see all that back with me only will be heartbreaking. I don’t think he’ll ever do this ‘giving gifts’ thing again because probably he saw it won’t help and at this point I want to do everything to not aggravate the hurt by the processes that will ensue once I return this one set of gifts. .

    Thank You So much Anita and A4U, I never took a firm stand out of the relationship as I was never sure of whether I’m doing the right thing. Most of my friends gave mixed views. If I’ve been able to make it through even for a few months so far, it’s to a great extent due to you both and all the other guys in the earlier replies that took out the time to understand my situation. An assurance and also a little bit of friendly guidance is just what I desperately needed. Thanks a lot. It means a lot.

    #181173
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Jen:

    You are welcome. I understand about not returning his gift, makes sense to me. I am looking forward to you posting again, whenever you need to and would like to.

    anita

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