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  • #86237
    Jennifer
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    Dear readers:

    Has anyone felt lost and lonely? What did you do to overcome it?

    I am currently not working and trying to sort out my past and my inner child. I am thinking of a career change after working 10 years. I feel sometimes that our society conditions us to stay on one career path and it’s “wrong to explore”.

    Thankfully I have a wonderful sangha (community) of zen practitioners where I live. But I feel I can no longer connect to my own friends that I’ve had from school/work since they are so focused on when their next vacation will be or talking about money. I say I can’t afford vacation for the next couple of years…and one of them says “are you serious?”. Yes, I am serious. They think I am kidding but I got to save up if I were to make a career move.

    I guess I feel I have drifted away from my friends….that conventional path of getting promotions at work, then getting a house, car, kids….I feel that is very empty. I am trying to find more meaning to life….through mindfulness meditation, through reading zen books & listening to TEDtalk. Yet I feel a very small population is opened to talking about this stuff.

    Any advice for dealing with “middle path” loneliness wanderer would be great.

    Thanks,
    Jennifer

    #86259
    Swallowtail
    Participant

    Hi Jennifer,

    I don’t know if I can help but let you know I feel very similar. I’m in a career that I don’t hate but it doesn’t fulfil me. I’m also saving up to make a career change and start fresh hopefully. All my friends are focused on their white picket fences, climbing the corporate ladder or just continuing in their normal lives. I feel like I need more purpose, that there must be something more for me.

    A few things that have helped me but haven’t solved the problem are keeping active and busy. Being more independent, meeting new people and trying new things. Keeping small goals of things you want to do and trying to better yourself in little ways.

    Nothing has helped fully I’m afraid. I feel like they are all just things I do to take up my time until I find the solution that will fulfil me. I think you just need to keep trying things until you find what makes you feel fulfilled and happy. Don’t let your friends or social boundaries put you off. Do what you think will make you happy not what makes them happy. I think the fact that your determined to make a change in your life/career is great and I hope it will give you renewed purpose. You know that you are not happy now so changing things up can only improve your situation.

    Hope this helps and makes sense. Keep your head up and your heart strong.

    Cheers,
    WW

    #86262
    Swallowtail
    Participant

    Just read this: http://tinybuddha.com/blog/when-your-dream-dies-and-youre-not-sure-what-to-do-next/

    Definatly explains how I’m feeling. Hope it helps.

    🙂

    WW

    #86263
    jock
    Participant

    I guess I feel I have drifted away from my friends….that conventional path of getting promotions at work, then getting a house, car, kids….I feel that is very empty. I am trying to find more meaning to life….through mindfulness meditation, through reading zen books & listening to TEDtalk. Yet I feel a very small population is opened to talking about this stuff.

    well, there are a few of us here very willing to talk about that stuff. See thread on spirituality started by moongal.

    Making a living and money, I find are obstacles to happiness, in my view. We get stuck at survival level, worried about our finances, and we neglect spirituality. Unless of course we make use of our suffering, and become more compassionate.

    #86272
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Jennifer:

    There is distress whenever we stray from what we believe is true. Part of you believes your friends are on the right path, the conventional path, the marketed path, the path fueled by commercial marketing. So… part of you is not sure you are doing the right thing by not doing what they are doing. Is it not so? If you were completely comfortable with where you are in life, what you are doing, the spirituality and the Zen practitioners you have been involved with… then you wouldn’t be lost and lonely. Maybe it is correct to say you are sitting on the fence neither here nor there?

    If there is some truth to my understanding, I hope you proceed and move to Here OR There (conventions). If Here, then dare to be different then the convention. Go with it all the way, whatever it takes.

    anita

    #86286
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Dear Jennifer,

    I have felt lost and lonely often so far. Some of it has been situation-based (lack of company/boredom), some of it due to depression/social anxiety and a lot of it due to disconnect (despite having people around, loved ones even). I do empathize with the disconnect and confusion you may be experiencing at this moment – It is difficult to make a shift and to feel like the people you usually associate with dont understand your state at all and neither do you understand theirs. This lack of connection leads to more loneliness despite having people around. I would say the way out would be to have some compassion for those friends who are on a different path than you – let us not call it a conventional or non-conventional one because these labels create more barriers.

    Perhaps they find meaning through this way – you find meaning through another. Find other activities and topics that would be of interest to both of you instead which arent too heavy on the pocket. If they’re good people at heart, that is all that really matters in the end i think. Go for one-on-one instead of group to reduce the effect of their thoughts until you find peace with yours. The important thing is that is that their lack of understanding isnt a reflection of you or your path in any way. You need to trust yourself and take the necessary steps.

    PS: It isnt about whether a small population wants to talk about these things – the internet kinda solves that problem actually. I come from a culture deeply ingrained in many religions and worship. I am not that religious by definition and I like to go about by what i feel is correct according to my conscience and common sense. The real challenge has been respecting the paths of others while trying to be confident of my own. It hasnt been easy though given that they are also very ingrained into a set way of life – marry at a certain age, have this/that career by this time, fancy colleges and jobs, promotions etc – societal comparisons are immense here. Here’s the thing though – my generation is changing quite a bit in this regard, particularly after the first job (4-5 years later). However, it varies with everyone actually. Nonetheless, if you have confidence in your way despite the uncertainty, then all of this will cease to matter on a larger canvas.

    Regards,
    Moon

    #86343
    Jennifer
    Participant

    A big thank you to WW, Jack, Anita & Moon for responding to my post!

    Your advice and support has greatly helped.

    I think Moon hit it on the nail when she wrote:
    “It is difficult to make a shift and to feel like the people you usually associate with dont understand your state at all and neither do you understand theirs. This lack of connection leads to more loneliness despite having people around”

    That is exactly how I feel sometimes. My group of zen practitioners are mainly college students or retirees…so sometimes I feel stuck in the middle….I am trying to balance the enthusiasm that I receive from the college students & the mellowness of the retirees…as Jack mentioned above…there are many people out there that are willing to chat…perhaps I just need to put myself out there more…I personally like to talk to people face-to-face.

    I also realized from your responses above that I have attachment to my “old friends”…the ones that have been in my life for 10+ years. I guess who doesn’t right? I have already missed countless gatherings (baby showers, birthdays) because I don’t want to hang out with crowds and waste money away…and I feel guilty for doing so because of breaking friendships. Like Moon mentioned, I prefer the one-on-one meetups & I feel selfish for doing that. Perhaps I should stop judging myself for being an introvert & wanting to only meet people on a one-on-one basis. Thanks WW, for pointing out “Don’t let your friends or social boundaries put you off. Do what you think will make you happy not what makes them happy”.

    Thanks Anita for pointing out that I am sitting on the fence. I should be confident in saying “I belong here!” rather than being persuaded back to the old realities, which I know causes more suffering.

    I also went to the library today and picked up a book called “Get a Great Job when you don’t have a job” by Marky Stein. I read through a big chunk of the book and I was very inspired. There were real-life examples of big career changes and reading other people’s stories helped me deal with my own thoughts & emotions. I realized that it is ok to be in the “unknown” right now and just exploring.

    Thank you for all your responses. I really appreciate it.

    Blessings to all,
    Jennifer

    #86365
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Jennifer:

    You are welcome. May you be comfortable being where you are in life right now, be it unemployed, single, exploring. Once you are truly comfortable with how things are in your life, then you are way ahead many of the people following conventional “wisdom”

    anita

    #86414
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Dear Jennifer,

    Its understandable to feel how you feel but do be kinder to yourself 🙂

    Do try this talk though – I like the way he speaks, he doesnt talk about the doctrine but has this beautiful common-sense based approach:

    Regards,
    Moon

    #86440
    jock
    Participant

    you could try this one if you like

    #87175
    Jennifer
    Participant

    Thanks again everyone who responded! I am feeling much better this week…and thanks for sending those youtube videos. What I learned is that depression shouldn’t be looked as something negative…but rather an indication of a change needing to happen….it is an opportunity to look deeply within ourselves to figure out what is not aligned in our true nature.

    Many blessings to all! I look forward to hearing from you on other posts!

    Take care!
    Jennifer

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