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May 18, 2016 at 10:14 am #104902ravi_zimmerfanParticipant
I actually had been talking with my dad about this lately. He says it happened because we did not want fights in the house and obviously we can’t leave her alone and go out to live separately. It began with small things like not letting me go to friends’ places, not letting me take part in sports/activities or school picnic, putting parents behind me like bodyguards wherever I went. One of my school teachers who particularly loves me a lot, always used to be angry regarding this and warned my parents that unless this thing is controlled from early on, it’ll cause serious disaster later. We took her warning lightly, and she’s proven correct now. Those early restrictions were a miniature version of this big disaster regarding my career.
The food issue is precisely what ticks me off because it is a major part of the root of the problem. If I went to study outside, I would be late for meals… so I was given home tutoring. Even when the home tutor used to come here, if he did not leave by dinner time, she used to get impatient and angry and force me to eat first before going back to study. I never cared much before as I was so pampered at home. But only now have I realized how much damage all this caused, both career-wise and to my personality. I’ll definitely do my best to move away from all this negativity once I qualify these damn exams. But the damage cannot be undone. I just hope I’m able to correct my personality flaws which have resulted from this situation. I don’t want to be a short-tempered loose cannon hurting innocent people and losing all my loved ones like I’ve lost my Jerry.
May 18, 2016 at 8:20 pm #104990AnonymousGuestDear Ravi:
The damage that was done to you by your family members: your food-crazed grandmother, and her soldiers, your mother and father cannot be undone. True. But don’t allow more unnecessary damage to take place. Pay attention to the decisions they make for you- not likely to be good decisions for you.
You can lose weight, your hair may very well grow back, your mouth ulcers and indigestion heal, these things can happen. So these particular damages can be corrected over time and better living.
Regarding Jerry, maybe. Later, maybe.
Having gotten to know you on this thread, I don’t think of your angry expressions as a “personality flaw” but as an understandable reaction to extreme distress caused by … extreme inadequate grand-parenting and parenting that you unfortunately have been subjected to your whole life.
Although I do wonder how you turned out to be such an intelligent, loving person. Something was done right at home, although I can’t figure out what it is. Maybe your father, as weak as he has been, it seems like he, of the three, is the one with a heart.
Don’t let any of the three make decisions for you, distrust their ability to make good choices for you and for themselves. They do have the record to justify such distrust.
anita
May 19, 2016 at 7:06 pm #105111ravi_zimmerfanParticipantI know. But the damage my anger caused and still causes, is very real too and I don’t feel many people will try to understand my situation and be sympathetic. Jerry surely didn’t. Neither will anyone I get into a fight with when having a particularly bad mood swing. And the damage caused to my career is something that cannot be fully undone either. Next year, it’ll be 10 years since I passed out of school and since then I’ve been stuck in the very same situation. No college, no studies, nothing. Just running fools’ errands and wild goose chases thanks to this situation at home.
I’m not letting anyone force me to do anything anymore, but I’m not able to gather enough momentum to study the way I need to do, in order to qualify the exam. The exhaustion, frustration and mood swings are greatly affecting me.
May 20, 2016 at 6:16 am #105136AnonymousGuestDear Ravi:
You wrote that you don’t feel many people will try to understand your situation and be sympathetic. What I’ve been trying to do is to encourage you to understand and be sympathetic to your own self. This self empathy is very important in reducing your stress level, exhaustion, frustration and it will help with your mood swings.
People that attend psychotherapy, most often feel better right away, not because their problems are solved but simply because (well, many if not all) therapists are good at showing empathy. Empathy feels good, very good.
I am recommending self empathy not only because it will greatly help you but because it is warranted by Reality. Reality warrants empathy for you. You are suffering, for one. You had the misfortune of being brought up by great incompetence, and without guidance. And you are greatly suffering. Your mouth ulcers, losing your hair, indigestion, lack of exercise, lack of social life… all these are reasons for you to at the least, have a soft spot in your heart for yourself.
anita
May 20, 2016 at 8:57 am #105156ravi_zimmerfanParticipantI know Anita. Much of self-empathy isn’t in my nature as it feels like narcissism/vanity to me. But ya, I do know where I went wrong and where I didn’t. I do try not to blame myself anymore for things which I know are not wrong. For example I know I didn’t commit a crime by loving Jerry, no matter what the moral police says. But the things where I did go wrong, it’s hard for me to forgive myself on grounds of my upbringing. Until two days ago I was feeling angry at her for breaking our relation and moving on without regret. The anger dissipated today and the pain of love returned, and I could not hold back the tears. These mood swings stress me out a lot.
At least what others think of me does matter if I want to survive in the real world. They’re not going to accept my explanations. I’ll try to keep the measured self empathy as appropriate, but I also need to learn how to move ahead of my upbringing problems and develop confidence and emotional strength. It seems like a long and painful journey ahead.
May 20, 2016 at 9:22 am #105159AnonymousGuestDear ravi:
For the purpose of moving ahead, for the purpose of doing right by others, for the purpose of developing emotional strength and confidence, for these aims, apply self empathy.
For the things that you want, self empathy will make a big, positive and healing difference.
It is not realistic to say: my behavior has nothing to do with my childhood. We are FORMED then, our brain makes connections then, connections that are very difficult to undo later on. So how can you not see the Cause and Effect here?
I am not saying a person should adopt this attitude: I can behave any way I feel like because I had a tough childhood.
I am all for increasing self responsibility. And (not or) I am true to reality: yes we were formed in childhood AND yes, we can increase our personal responsibility through adulthood. The more inadequate and abusive our childhood, the longer and more painful the journey ahead.
anita
May 20, 2016 at 6:32 pm #105217ravi_zimmerfanParticipantIt’s true. I do agree that our childhood has a major impact on what we become. It’s just that I feel dreadful thinking about the things I did to bring this hell upon myself, how much everything would’ve been different if I had excised more sense and patience. I don’t feel upbringing is a sufficient explanation for getting so bitter and jealous seeing someone loving her cousin, for example, despite knowing I was the only one she gave such a special place in her heart to, though I’m not blood family and knew her only for 2.5 years. Even now I get thoughts like “she must be enjoying herself lying in the arms of that incestuous creep day and night ever since she left you”. I myself am disgusted by it, but I cannot do anything. I feel that’s some deep ugliness in me that goes beyond the upbringing issue, which produces disgusting thoughts like this. Either way, I just truly want to change myself in every way.
May 20, 2016 at 6:57 pm #105218AnonymousGuestDear Ravi:
I hope you don’t change yourself in every way. I like who you are. You are under distress, living a limited life, like a prisoner, without a social life, without in person friends and without a girlfriend. All studying and no play. The fact that you are half way sane is to your credit. Not the time to evaluate yourself and figure out what to change.
I think it is about survival now. Your plan is to prepare for the July test. This is your plan. To achieve that, other than the five letters s word (the one ending with y), try to keep yourself sane. Take care of your health best you can, assert yourself as needed with the two women you live with, maybe talk more with your father. Spend time in the garden when it is not as hot, take cold showers during the day, relax best you can.
The thoughts you are having, these are because of anxiety- I know this well because of my OCD history. Those thoughts are not indication of bad character but of anxiety, distress.
You wrote you want to change yourself in every way. I want your circumstances to change in every way. Would you like me to daydream about what circumstances I wish you lived in?
anita
May 21, 2016 at 7:15 am #105235ravi_zimmerfanParticipantIt’s the first time anyone has actually said to me that they like who I am (I mean genuinely, not blindly like my family does). Means a lot to me, Anita. Thanks again. And yes, survival is the word. Even now the court and government folks are fighting it out over the exams issue and we students haven’t been told clearly what will happen. Studying without a clear idea in mind doesn’t help at all, because we need to change our study pattern based on the exam to be held. I’m just trying to focus on the exam I need to take on the 29th.
The loneliness is indeed the greatest problem. She was the only one present with me the entire day, whenever I wished, in my happy and sad times alike. Talking to anybody else is just not the same and somehow, nobody else seems very interested in talking to me anymore. After three years, I’m sinking into this quicksand pit of loneliness again and I don’t know if I can ever come out. The best I can say is unlike March-April when I literally was suicidal, it’s more of an on-off thing now. Sort of like sinuses.
Circumstances… I try not to think of them. I’m filled with regret and guilt thinking I brought this hell upon myself, at least partly. If only I had excised some more patience and forethought, I could’ve avoided this. Though its no use crying over it and I can only think of how not to repeat it again.
May 21, 2016 at 7:37 am #105237AnonymousGuestDear Ravi:
Well, you can read it a second time then: I like who you are. I do, absolutely.
You know of the chicken and the egg dilemma, which came first. In the mostly online relationship with Jerry there were a few chicken and eggs on both parts. The relationship could have been still ongoing if you never mentioned anything to suggest you felt for her anything outside brotherly love according to tradition there. You would have to be careful to not do so, day in and day out. You’d feel what you feel and have to watch yourself. And it could have still be ongoing if she was mature enough to allow you to be you, to feel what you feel. After all, you never approached her in a sexual manner, so she could have, if she was mature, allowed you to be you. That would have been so wonderful.
The condition for ongoing communication with her was for you to hide, and hide well, your feelings for her. This would have been very difficult day in and day out, Ravi. That would have required you to not be authentic and honest with her.
You have an exam on the 29th of this month? I sure hope this whole testing does happen and work out for you. Take little steps to physically attend to your well being, no step is too small to take. As in the examples I gave. I remember the heat and humidity back in the days, how helpful it was to take cold, cold showers, how invigorating. Got to take breaks from studying, from distressing thoughts. Better not even engage in distressing thinking that gets you nowhere better.
anita
May 21, 2016 at 11:05 am #105268ravi_zimmerfanParticipantI know. Even if I managed to hide my feelings for now, years later when the inevitable news of her engagement/marriage to someone else came, I’m quite sure all this hell would’ve broken loose. Moreover, her sister said that going by my old comments about our favourite actor looking pretty, both of them feel I’ve got a hidden nasty side right from the beginning. I can’t help but think that she’d been somehow harbouring these suspicions in some corner of her subconscious mind, no matter how strong our bond and love was. In that case, whatever happened was for the good in a way and if I’m blessed enough to see our bond mend someday, perhaps these false feelings can be eradicated as well for a genuinely improved relationship. At least I can hope and pray.
Yup… and it’s the exam for the largest and most coveted institute in our country. Though the chances of me cracking it are pretty slim considering all the Einsteins in the race, I haven’t got anything to lose as most of my focus now is on studies only. I’ll surely keep your tips in mind and go along with them. Not too keen on showers but I’m trying to take regular breaks and de-stress every few hours. Watching cartoons and reading light novels once in a while seems to be helping.
May 21, 2016 at 8:11 pm #105284AnonymousGuestDear Ravi:
Yes, do what works for you, be it watching cartoons and reading light novels. And post here anytime as I will always reply.
All the other Einsteins in the race… By the way, you wrote a few posts ago that there are close to 3 billions of people in India. I believe it is 1.3 billions.
Till your next post, do take care of you- please do!
anita
May 26, 2016 at 6:50 pm #105741ravi_zimmerfanParticipantTwo days left for my exam, and I’m not able to sleep properly. Getting dreams of her continuously from a week or so. Yesterday I had felt myself talking happily to her like the golden old days, and then woke up back to my miserable and pathetic present. Had a pounding headache the whole day and could not focus on studies properly. Absolute best part is nobody cares about what I’m going through, how much I miss her, and just tell me to study like a robot.
May 26, 2016 at 9:03 pm #105753AnonymousGuestDear Ravi:
I know you are not a robot. Been thinking about you, wondering how you are doing, thinking maybe you didn’t post for a few days because you are busy studying.
Maybe you need to dream of her because you need something not robotic in your life. It is a human need: to love and be loved in return. Robots don’t need this. Humans do and you are just that, human.
I understand, you miss and long for Jerry, the young woman you loved for so long and who loved you too.
Hope you sleep better. Sure hope so.
anita
May 27, 2016 at 6:52 am #105782ravi_zimmerfanParticipantI still love her and I know I always will. I wish by some miracle she understood that what she’s doing is not right. I can’t help going over all those past incidents in my mind, and it makes me miserable. My schedule just involves waking up at 5:30 AM, going for a morning walk until 7:00, then off to the library and classes from 9:00 to 6:00 PM, dinner and revision, and sleeping by 10:30. Absolutely nothing in between. Though I’m watching a few movies to take my mind off things but the effect is only temporary. Got an important exam on Sunday… my parents and teachers have such high expectations from me. Dunno how it’ll go.
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