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May 6, 2016 at 10:27 am #103776AnonymousGuest
Dear Lada:
Tell me more about your mother, if you will. More of what she tells you: how does she blame herself for your father’s leaving? Does she want to have friends, did she try to make friends? What does she say about people?
What does she say about you? if she was to describe you to a third person, what would she say?
anita
May 6, 2016 at 10:45 am #103778AnonymousInactiveMy father was nasty verbally to her, he would call her ugly, stupid, etc. He eventually married her friend at that time and built a new house in the same village. I think she couldn’t have done anything to make him stay, as he’s married for the third time now and he ended his first marriage the same way, but she still blames herself that we don’t have a father, that she should have been capable of keeping him here.
On one hand she’s very social but for some reason she doesn’t have friends, I don’t know why she doesn’t want to make them, but she’s always happy when I take her out and I know she would love to go dancing or something. She gossips, she talks a lot about other people’s weight and comments when they say something stupid but in general people like her. I know all of my friends loved her when they met her, although she’s rather straightforward; they always saw her as kind and generous.
I don’t know what she would say. As I said, she supports me no matter what, though she doesn’t understand why I quit school when I had good grades. But she’s overcome a lot and take things as they are. She always described me as smart and in general liked to talk about my successes. I don’t know what she would say now. But when I was younger, she would tell others the opposite – that I didn’t clean after myself, that I didn’t want to learn to cook, etc.. she didn’t shy away from talking badly about me to others. Only in recent years did she start to talk about my successes instead, which always put quite a pressure on me to get good grades and be a good daughter.
May 6, 2016 at 10:54 am #103780AnonymousInactiveI feel like I’m wasting my energy trying to avoid the inevitable.. I just wish my mind or heart would be more honest with me about what does it want right know, even if I won’t like it.. because I’ve been nothing but confused for the past few months, not knowing what to do. Meditation no longer works..
May 6, 2016 at 11:00 am #103781AnonymousGuestDear Lada:
Will be back in a couple of hours or three to read your latest two posts and reply then.
anita
May 6, 2016 at 4:21 pm #103795AnonymousGuestDear Lada:
You wrote: “I just wish my mind or heart would be more honest with me about what does it want right now.”
You write as if your mind is a separate entity. It seems to me that somewhere along the way, you separated from yourself, became alienated from yourself. So you view your mind and the voice in it as if it wasn’t you, but a separate entity that you don’t know, a different person.
You wrote that your mother used to complain about you, was critical of you- did you feel rejected by her?
Does she no longer criticize you at all, or does she still, sometimes, maybe when she gets angry or depressed???
anita
May 7, 2016 at 12:39 am #103845AnonymousInactiveShe does, when things are too much for her. For simple things, like not shutting the door somewhere or things like that..
I tried to listen to the voice as my own and asked questions and here it is:
Why don’t you want nice clothes?
I don’t deserve it. I don’t want anyone to like me or think I’m pretty, I don’t want to be liked.Why don’t you want to cook?
Not to fail. My mom would punish me and criticize me, not like me.Why don’t you want to study?
Not to fail, terrified to failWhy are you afraid of failing?
Nobody praises you for that.Why don’t you want to fall in love?
Don’t deserve it. Don’t want to get hurt. I deserve to be alone and not loved. I’m not lovable.Why don’t you want to be interested in politics?
Because I don’t understand it. I don’t want to be seen as smart anymore.Then I got up and looked outside the window and felt as if I wasn’t worthy of the beautiful Sun. Beautiful things in general, because they don’t match something inside me..
May 7, 2016 at 12:55 am #103848AnonymousInactiveI feel like the ideal scenario for me right now is “go to work, go home, eat, eat, eat, go to work, go home, not socialize..” It resembles my elementary school and high school years, where I was happy to see the end of the week so that I would be home, behind my computer and find comfort in food. I wouldn’t date or hang out with friends much. But the difference is that at that time the time spent on my computer lead me to learn English, translate and eventually got me to a language school and Uni. I also stumbled across a fitness programme which made me a different person. But now things are different..
I really see that I still have the same insecurities as I used to have, but when I say to myself “well, so why not change it and be somebody completely else?” Then the answer is “but you wouldn’t be nobody, we wouldn’t have anything then”.
May 7, 2016 at 3:05 am #103850AnonymousInactiveBtw when I went to the office to quit my studies, I was pulled to go straight to the office of my job and quit as well. I didn’t do it because I couldn’t imagine coming home and saying I quit my school and job, I thought of keeping the job as being responsible but it has been hell like I said. My mind tells me that I needed a clear cut because I don’t seem to live by rational decision but based on my traits and habits (e.g. I said to myself that I would go to school once again and for some reason I’m against it). When I’m at this job I feel like I’m in two parts of my life, not living in the moment. Even going to work next week makes me feel anxious, it’s like I have been prolonging change for too long. But my mum is currently on a sick leave and I have to work..
May 7, 2016 at 7:34 am #103859AnonymousGuestDear Lada:
I think you and I have this in common, and please do let me know if you agree: we were both rejected many times when we were children. Again and again, I was told in so many ways that I am not okay, that I am not acceptable, that I think wrong, feel wrong and do wrong. Over time I believed it and thought of myself: I think wrong, I feel wrong, I do wrong. It was difficult being that kind of person who is wrong, wrong, wrong. So I split from that wrong person I believed I was, figuratively speaking, I left that inadequate, unacceptable little girl behind and looked at her from the outside as that unacceptable little girl. I tried to live by rational decisions alone, but failed at it because my emotions were in the little girl and I was outside of her. To make wise decisions, decisions that will work for me, I have to have access to my emotions. There are messages in my emotions and if I don’t know what they are, I am lacking information that I have to have so to make wise decisions and navigate my life effectively.
Do you relate to any part or all?
anita
May 7, 2016 at 8:06 am #103864AnonymousInactiveMaybe it’s true that my beliefs that I’m stupid, irresponsible, messy, not thinking logically and all of that are based on what my parents used to tell me, because I honestly feel like I didn’t do anything right when I was a kid. I tried to then be a daughter they could have been proud of to make up for it, maybe I acted from a place of inadequacy, trying to prove myself and others that I’m actually capable of something. But is it possible that I achieved all of my successes for others only? There must be something in me that wants a good life and results for me for God’s sake.. :/
May 7, 2016 at 8:13 am #103865AnonymousInactiveWhat confuses me the most is that the intuition that I used to have wanted me to try hard things, get out of my comfort zone, become somebody, use my gifts, overcome myself.. Now it’s like everything shifted and for example when I go on a bike, which the voice already rejects, and try to ride to a steep hill, the voice actually doesn’t want me to challenge myself, more the opposite. And I know it’s not just lazy thoughts, it’s really as if my intuition and me wanted to be lazy, eat whatever I want, do or not do whatever I want.. I thought that everybody has this inner compass that wants to get the best out of him, but this voice of discipline and inner wisdom seems to be gone..
May 7, 2016 at 8:28 am #103867AnonymousGuestDear lada:
I just received the private notice about you asking to communicate with me privately, via email. I did this very thing months ago with a few members of this site and the experience did not work well for me, so I decided a long time ago to not repeat it. I would be glad to communicate with you here for as long as you want. It is also a good thing, I believe, for others to be able to read our communication and maybe benefit from it.
back to our communication: a child has to get the approval of a parent. It is not a matter of option but a necessity. When you survived childhood without getting that approval, you enter into adulthood lacking that necessary approval, so you keep waiting for it, keep searching for it, or you give it all up and stop trying, keep living with the belief that you are not okay, not acceptable.
For you to want “a good life and results for (you) for God’s sake”- you have to get that approval first. When you don’t get it from parents- as you and I haven’t- you have to get it from someone. My process of getting that approval started with my first good psychotherapy, that is, from my competent, caring therapist.
I saw other therapists before him, but they were either incompetent and/ or not caring. So not all psychotherapists are created equal…
What do you think?
anita
May 7, 2016 at 10:32 am #103874AnonymousInactiveIt’s okay, thank you anyway.
I told my therapist about me wanting my dad’s attention and approval, but he didn’t enlarge on it. He’s a nice guy, but he just blames everything on depression. All I hear is “that’s what depressed people think, that’s what depressed people do,..” I know that I do not have depression, or like I said, that it’s not the main cause.
May 7, 2016 at 10:41 am #103876AnonymousGuestDear Lada:
Then your therapist is not competent. He has a very limited view of mental health. He is satisfied with a label: depression. It is as if he is saying: don’t make my job difficult. I don’t want to bother with the details. Let’s just call it depression and that way I don’t have to think too hard.
Depression is only a symptom, a result, not a cause.
This therapist is not going to help you. I see no point in seeing him.
anita
May 7, 2016 at 10:51 am #103877AnonymousInactiveHe asks a lot of questions, wants to hear my feelings and thoughts and doesn’t want me to go straight to my evaluting the situation, which feels great, but other than that he says that I will be okay when I have cured my depression.
I trust the voice that I heard in December, that my career is over and there is nothing to look forward to, which is why I resist it so much. But then I’m just not living. I don’t know exactly what I’m supposed to right now, I guess throwing away my colorful clothes, textbooks, books, .. I don’t know what else. Get a job in a factory I guess, although at one point I heard “you’ll be unemployable”. I have the feeling that if I had pushed through in November and December, listened to my intuition and worked hard, I would have been okay, which is why I also resist right now, telling myself every day that I could’ve been studying for my summer exams and taking care of my life instead of being in this shithole right now..
I don’t want to waste your time here as I feel that there is not much I can do about the situation that would prevent it from happening..
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