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June 8, 2015 at 5:09 am #77847Jason1501Participant
So to make a long story short, over a year ago I found that my wife (16 years) was flirting with a mutual friend while I was on travel. I took it poorly and insinuated things that may or may not have been there. She got mad and me because she didn’t like this insecure dark side of me and frankly neither did I. I told her their communication needed to stop and of course it didn’t. I got meaner about it and she got more distant and closer to him (just as friends, according to her). She even said she spoke with him to get back at me. I realized that I pushed her away and possible made something out of probably innocent flirting (frankly I am guilty of doing that from time to time). I shared this with her and said she would stop messaging him and focus on us. We did better for while, but then it would come to light that she was communicating with him. I got mad, we fought, a repeated the promises made and broken cycle several more times.
I understand at this point we are just being disrespectful and not loving of each other. And I blamed myself for all this and really it was her choice to keep going back to him. She is supposedly not talking to him again and I want to resolve this situation with her but I can’t get over the past, that we will just repeat and go through the cycle again. It isn’t good for me, her, the kids, etc. I want us to talk and discuss this so we can move on. She would rather ignore it and move on. I am not healed yet (and know as a couple we are not) and I need to talk about it. But she doesn’t want to talk. She gets mad when I try to talk about it (and I do my best not to be hurtful, bring up the past to rub it in her face, etc) she says it makes her feel bad and hates me for doing that. And all can think is she will run back to him when she gets mad as she did in the past. Right now she sees him as a safe place and me as the enemy.
She has low self esteem issues as well. Nothing is ever good enough, she isn’t thin enough, pretty enough, the house isn’t clean enough, kids aren’t well behaved enough, etc. I just feel she hates everything we built over the past 16 years. It crushes me. I want to help her (but I can’t even help myself) and I don’t want to leave her but I can’t live like this. So in a nutshell, I am messed up (insecure), she is messed up and we are messed up. I have no idea how we got here but I want us to move forward through this together.
Any insight?
June 8, 2015 at 5:21 am #77850InkyParticipantHi Jason,
Married men look to other women even if times are good. Married women look to other men only when times are bad. This guy is giving her something she so desperately needs that she isn’t getting from you. Here is the trick to get her back heart, mind and soul:
Treat her so well that YOU become her lover (or best friend, assuming nothing went on), and that YOU are stealing her away from HIM.
I know you aren’t in the mood to do this, and you want to talk it out, but you will NEVER resolve it through talking alone! In fact, at this point, talk is detrimental!
Someone or Life itself is telling her (and frankly most women) that she’s not good enough. YOU need to compliment her on how great she looks, cook her nice foods, help a little in the house AND/OR say THANK YOU for even the smallest thing she does in the house. Compliment the children when you catch them being good and say that they take after their mother.
She looks to him for a zing of excitement, appreciation, and to get away from a life where nothing she does is good enough. Then, she comes back from a man who makes her feel beautiful to complaints, noise, and drudgery.
Whatever you did all those years ago to win her love, do again. Take her out, dress up, compliment her, sweep her off her feet. When you were dating you never brought up the other guys did you? You are the only one in her world, truly. Time to remind her of that!
Best,
Inky
June 8, 2015 at 6:24 am #77855Jason1501ParticipantInky – Your right and during our good times, I think that is what I am doing. At one point she told me taking her on dates didn’t count, because it wasn’t spontaneous. I didn’t let that deter me and pushed through she had fun and we have discovered new stuff to do since then. When the good, it is good. I need to heal myself though. I would be lying if I told you I don’t think about it at least once a day. It is like an anchor on my I know I need to let go of it but I am scared to. I am not sure why. I guess after all this time, I expect her to be there and it scares me she may not. I would feel like a failure. But you are right, talking to her about it does no good nor does me dwelling over it. I need to find someone to vent to though, otherwise as I try to heal, it spills over into our relationship.
June 8, 2015 at 6:32 am #77856AnonymousGuestDear Jason:
I wouldn’t take the blame for her flirting with another man. Just as you are fully responsible for flirting with other women, when you do, so is she responsible for flirting with another man and for hurting you by doing so. I understand that she doesn’t acknowledge her responsibility in doing so- is that the case? Is there a pattern in the relationship where she blames you and you have to fix it in other areas? I may be off here, so I would need your input here so to go forward with my response…
anitaJune 8, 2015 at 6:48 am #77857Jason1501ParticipantAnita,
She did blame me for several months and I tried to fix everything I could. Then she said she had a realization that it wasn’t me but her. That is when we started the cycle of good times and then it gets bad for a bit. The last time I confronted her about speaking to him again, it was a huge blow up and she said she didn’t realize how much it hurt me and she really thought it would blow over and we all could be friends again.June 8, 2015 at 7:24 am #77859AnonymousGuestDear Jason:
So she does realize of late that it hurts you a lot when she talks to the other guy? And she promissed not to?DId she express that she realizes that it hurts you before, promissed before not to talk to him and did it anyway?
Or did you have a more insgihtful conversation this last time where she had a new realization?
When you talk, do you listen to each other, applying EAR: Empathy, Assertiveness, Respect? How about discussing how to discuss, the rules (such as EAR) as preparation for more effective communication?
WHy does it blow over…Did you enjoy better communication in the past???
If you cannot manage effective conversations between the two of you, you might want to consider or re-consider a counselor, therapist.
anitaJune 8, 2015 at 7:33 am #77860Jason1501ParticipantYes… During our last fight she said she finally realized that it hurts me and promised not to. She did admit the other day she was checking her email and checking out his profile on Facebook. So as much as I try to expect she will follow through with her promise, I have my doubts.
I will check out apply EAR. It may be a good tool. We did enjoy better communication in the past. That was before we added a business on top of everything else. It took hold as the main objective in our lives. And it means the world to her. He came into our lives as being a helpful customer and we all became friends.
June 8, 2015 at 7:54 am #77862AnonymousGuestDear Jason:
It is too bad that you are facing this problem, that is, her interest in another man. The fact that she checked out his profile in Facebook just the other day confirms her interest in him. That may have happened no matter what you did differently and it has to do with her desire for excitement, diversion, something new… I don’t believe women’s interest in men outside a marriage is different than men’s, that all women are the same- and I don’t believe she is just reacting to what you are doing wrong.She is responsible for her participation in the relationship and you are responsible to your participation in the relationship. To what the relationship is- and to the fact that it exists- you are 50/50% responsible. Ask her (have you?) for the nature of her interest in the man, and listen. Really listen so you can figure out the nature of her interest, so that you learn what you are up against… Invite her to share honestly about her interest in him_ what is her motivation? What excites her about him… Be as calm as you can so your can HEAR what is GOING ON. Better get to know what is happening- get a better view of your reality.
After you get MORE information from her, and GET it, that is absorb it before you decide what to do with it- well, first things first. Get the information.
anitaJune 8, 2015 at 8:06 am #77863Jason1501ParticipantI’ve asked and I get different answers. At first, she liked the attention, then it was an escape, then it was someone she could share her thoughts and problems with, then it was they just talk about nothing. She always maintains they are just friends, that nothing sexual happened and when I asked if it was an emotional affair, after her initial denial she did say there was some validity to that. But my gut says not to believe her. I don’t know where to go here. It baffles my mind me that she actually thought the three of us would be friends again… But regardless of how this turns out, I did learn about my weaknesses (insecurity) and found out I am stronger and more loyal (to the point where I feel like I am a sucker) than I gave myself credit for and hopefully I can learn to be a more trusting person and partner in the future, no matter who I am with.
June 8, 2015 at 8:33 am #77864AnonymousGuestDear Jason:
I re-read your posts here. I am thinking as I type this; you are in a difficult situation here. She is far from being a good enough partner to you, unfortunatley. She blamed you for her actions for a long time, for her emotional affair with this man, and that wasn’t right. Then she gives you BITS of honesty here and there only to forget about it (about the hoensty) and go back to dishonesty. ANd you don’t believe her- understandably. You don’t trust her becasue she is not untrustworthy. To learn to be a”a more trusting person and partner” as you wrote in the last sentence of the last post you need a TRUSTWORTHY person first. This is the problem here and it is very sad because her lack of trustworthiness in this matter of this emotional affair- is totally out of your control. Obviously you are considering ending the relationship (you wrote you can’t live like this and you wrote “no matter who I am with” in the last sentence above. Then there are kids involved … and there is a business, lesser in importance perhaps…TOUGH.Make a PLAN, is my advice, if you need advice. This is what I would do, step back and look at the forest, the whole picture, the wider perspective. What are the parts of your life that you care mostly about? The kids, how are they doing, how are they doing emotionally mentally with the two of you as their parents? Will they be better off if you are divorced or separated? What will the business be like? If the two of you are involved in it- how will it be like if you are separated- what will the financial consequences be? And how will your mental health be? Do you feel relief at the thought of parting ways? I wonder what her position on separation is, if you talked about it.
Whatever her position- it seems like she is not much help for you in your search for a better state of mind. In other words, she is not being a good partner right now adn for a whole year on this matter alone. She is not “on your side”- so you are alone, really, having to take care of yourself without her help.
anitaJune 8, 2015 at 8:34 am #77865AnonymousGuestTypo: she is not trustworthy, above is what i meant, not she is not UNtrustworthy.
June 8, 2015 at 9:50 am #77876InkyParticipantHi Again,
Don’t do anything hasty. Make sure “This” issue isn’t just an excuse for you to say, “I don’t know if I can take this anymore”, as I’m gleaning she isn’t the easiest person to live with anyway.
It would be a shame if you got a divorce over this one thing. Judge: Reasons? Lawyer: Your Honor, the defendant was checking a Friend’s FaceBook page!
Right? It’s not “him” (he sounds like he loves to play the white knight and be the damsel in distress’ sounding board!). It’s really the dynamic between you now. Even if you called him and said “Get lost, buddy”, he moved or died, you would still have issues with her.
Maybe get off the internet and for a “Date” you take her to couple’s counseling?
June 8, 2015 at 12:27 pm #77888Jason1501ParticipantIt hasn’t been a easy year… But when we are good, we are good. He does LOVE to play the white knight. At first I hated him, wanted to act out against him but now I realize the issue is between us. And I know she is going though her own “crisis” and I am sure that mad him more appealing. I truly thought for the longest time, it was me over reacting… maybe they were only friends… A guy and girl can be friends with out turning into more right? But it comes down to it hurt me and she didn’t care. I suggested counseling… no go, “Too expensive and it doesn’t help” She would rather ignore it…
June 8, 2015 at 12:50 pm #77890InkyParticipantWhat would happen if you talked to him? Most men would back way off, and he would never say anything. And not only that, he would “get it”. Women tend to not give it up and/or it becomes an Issue. Don’t even tell her what’s going on.
Seriously. Call him and say, “Listen buddy, Wife and I are reconnecting and don’t need any outside distractions. Could you not return/lay off the texts/calls? Thanks. Keep this conversation between us.”
Wife would try to contact him and get miffed that he doesn’t return her calls or texts right away (if at all)! Meanwhile, you read and implement the Five Love Languages Book (Google it). Give her gifts, go out, rub her back, have long talks, help around the house. She will get pissed at him and enjoy your attention more.
If she ever figures it out say, “Yes, Friend talked to me and he wants to stay out of our marriage.” This gives the message that it was Friend’s idea to Leave and that he thought he was Treading on Sacred Ground. Hopefully this would embarrass her. (“What?! NO! He knew we were Just Friends!”) But hopefully it won’t come to that. She’ll just know that Friend isn’t around (perhaps enjoying his wife or a girlfriend!) and you are more attentive.
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June 8, 2015 at 5:17 pm #77903Jason1501ParticipantI’ve spoken to him after our last big blowout (and she doesn’t know), where I had one foot out the door and she finally realized their relationship hurts me. I have I do not know of any other contact but over the past year I feel conditioned that it is coming. Like I said, she has issues of her own. If I had to take a stab at it, she is depressed. But she refuses to try to get any help for her or us. We’ve done the love languages and frankly things were worse when I helped more around the house, was extra nice to her etc. I think I was too available. She had best of both worlds and I think loved it.
Don’t get me wrong, I had my share of wrongs during this whole situation… being insecure, passive/aggressive, paranoid, etc. Our actions took a large toll on us. I do want to give her/us one more chance. I just don’t know if I can work with someone who ignores problems, won’t try to help, and just in general unloads about all the things wrong in her life everyday. It is a tough way to live…
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