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January 1, 2025 at 10:13 pm #441195StacyParticipant
Hi Anita and Helcat. And Moutoshi!
I apologize for my 9 month absence. Basically everything that was going wrong the last time I posted continued to be complicated and every time I thought about making an update post, another thing would happen. I appreciate everyone’s responses.
My swollen lymph nodes never got figured out. I’ve now had 5 ultrasounds on them, the needle aspiration procedure ended up being more risky than it was worth as one of my swollen lymph nodes was RIGHT at my jugular vein and even the doctor performing the procedure warned me heavily to not swallow or move a centimeter while he did it. They never found obvious signs of cancer but my cells were still “abnormal.” My lymph nodes basically swell up and some days they don’t. I am hoping it’s just a stress reaction like we’ve discussed. More health related anxiety issues have arisen since I last posted.
I recently applied for a cheap apartment in my area even though I know I will be able to barely afford it. Still waiting to hear back. My full time job has been my identity and I left my other job finally that was part time back in June after 3 years of working there.
I come here in this new year to ask a question. As an update on my breakup: it has now been 1 year and 4 months since the breakup and about 1 year and 3 months since my ex ghosted me. We haven’t spoken since. We have continued to follow each other on Instagram this whole year and watch each other’s stories. He has liked 2 of my posts in this time. I’ve been confused as to why he even still hangs around my profile considering he clearly isn’t interested anymore. I mentioned in my previous posts that I was contemplating unfollowing him or blocking him, or perhaps reaching out one last time to try to get closure. I just wanted to know what happened, why, and why he even lied about wanting to still be friends after the breakup – and said it so enthusiastically if he didn’t even mean it. It has made me feel like the whole relationship was an act to him in retrospect if he made it out to be like the friendship meant so much for him to keep and yet ghosted me days later… forever. I wanted to reach out and ask him why he lied about this, or perhaps what he got out of any of this. I also have been so irked that he really never saw me cry or upset beyond the night of the breakup when I was trying to plead for us to make it work. I honestly think he doesn’t even know I was hurt. I think he thinks this was an amicable ending. This whole time that has passed, I’ve tried desperately to just look unbothered and confident, in hopes that it would make me look more attractive in his eyes and he’d question his decision to leave. Or at the least, to retain any of my dignity. I’m realizing that all of my mourning and pain never really got to be acknowledged by him or seen at all.
I know only one thing for sure: in the year and four months that I have continued to follow him on Instagram, I’ve tried to find proof of him never caring about me, him moving on, etc. and thought that there would be a lightbulb moment to happen for me – that something would be posted by him to show me it’s time to let go. But I’ve found that unfortunately, nothing it seems is going to make me feel that certain enough to want to let go. The truth is that I don’t want to let go. And I never got to tell him that he hurt me. And doing all of these daily check-ins to his profile have made me physically sick over time. Not to mention, jealous. He went to Japan for two weeks back in October. So I basically have to just cut myself off from this addictive cycle and supply, even if I don’t feel ready to. I guess. I worried that I would be traumatizing myself more if I let go before I was ready. But I’m now just thinking that I don’t think I’m ever gonna be ready to stop looking into his life. The curiosity and worry never went away. I vowed to myself that I cannot waste another entire year on surveillancing him. 2024 is gone and I have no progress to show. I’m still in the early stages of grief, still hung up on the shock and disbelief and the why. So maybe unfollowing him will finally allow me to start processing this? But should I just leave silently, or should I send him a message to get all this off my chest? I feel that I can’t trust anything he has to say, and the peace I’m looking for and the apology from him for hurting me is just not gonna come. But I also worry that until I let my pain be known that I’ll be blocked from healing. What should I do?
Thank you and I hope you had a happy New Year.
January 2, 2025 at 8:24 am #441213anitaParticipantDear Stacy: I am thrilled to read from you again. I will get back to you in a couple of hours or so.
anita
January 2, 2025 at 11:25 am #441215HelcatParticipantHi Stacy
Happy New Year! It’s great to hear that you have a full time job now and have applied for an apartment. Is it correct that I remember you find living with your family stressful? Apologies if I’m getting mixed up.
I think you’re underestimating how much progress you’ve made by focusing solely the ex situation. It seems to me like there have been some big changes. 😊
It’s good to hear that you don’t have cancer even though the cells are abnormal. You do your best to take good care of your health. I think that is really important.
Regarding the ex, it sounds like you’re feeling like you lack closure over the breakup. You’ve suggested a couple of options. Do you think that you could say your piece and then block and delete him? Or do you think you would be drawn into talking to him?
Ultimately, the choice is yours whether you do decide to confront him or whether you choose instead to delete him. I don’t think there is a wrong answer. So I would suggest, thinking about what would make you feel best? Whatever you decide, it sounds like it is a new chapter of your life starting. Apt for the new year.
Love and best wishes! ❤️🙏
January 2, 2025 at 11:54 am #441217anitaParticipantDear Stacy:
Before thoroughly reading your update, I read through our past communication. Interestingly exactly 1 year ago, on Jan 2, 2024, you submitted a post addressed to me (here on this thread). You quoted me and responded to my quoted words:
” ‘When people in your family who have mistreated you accuse you of being too sensitive and overblowing situations, that’s further mistreatment on their part, mistreatment on top of mistreatment..’ — I’m not trying to be difficult here.. (but) I actually DO overblow situations and react very sensitively to things… If I’m the problem, I don’t feel I have the right to say I’m being mistreated or ‘deserve’ a better partner… It’s like I feel that I don’t have the right to say I was mistreated because I sabotaged and overblew the situation… Again, I’m trying SO hard for this to click with me because I feel this is THE biggest mental block that is keeping me from moving forward”-
A year later, I say that it’s clear. in your words above, that you have internalized the criticism from your family, leading you to doubt the validity of your feelings and reactions. Because you view (or viewed back then) yourself as overblowing situations, you felt undeserving of better treatment or a better partner. Your statement that this is “THE biggest mental block” keeping you from moving forward highlights how this self-doubt and internalized criticism have been major obstacles in your emotional growth and healing. You recognized, a year ago, the need to address this issue.
Despite acknowledging your sensitivity, you felt a strong need for validation that your experiences and feelings were legitimate. This conflict between self-blame and the desire for acknowledgment of mistreatment has caused you significant distress.
In essence, you were caught in a cycle of self-blame and self-doubt, making it difficult for you to acknowledge the mistreatment you were subjected to, and move forward. You recognized this as a major mental block but was struggling to reconcile your sensitivity with your right to be treated well and to heal.
As I was reading through the pages, I cam across what you wrote here, addressed to me: “I can see how much I’m beating myself up about this all… it’s what I do in every area of my life. Hence why I don’t trust myself. I see that it’s not serving me; it’s not productive. I can’t hate myself into loving myself“-
– you were becoming aware of your pattern of self-criticism and its negative impact on your mental health. You understood that this behavior is unproductive and that self-love cannot be achieved through self-hate. This awareness is an important step towards changing your mindset and fostering a more compassionate relationship with yourself.Reading through, I noticed the Enmeshment topic. You acknowledged your struggle with family enmeshment.
Living with your mother made it difficult to separate your own issues from hers, part of your ongoing struggle to maintain healthy boundaries within a close-knit but troubled family.Elsewhere you wrote: “I just want to feel like a woman, a capable woman“, and about your mother, you wrote: “I also see that she is physically and financially incapable of a lot of things she wants to do and it suffocates me… It makes me feel hopeless for her and for me“- You needed her to become capable so that you (the part of you that’s enmeshed with her of her) can become capable..?
“My therapist said years ago that I do indeed struggle with family enmeshment and I try to work through this but living here I think hinders me from separating at all… I don’t feel like I get to have my own adult life or sense of identity outside of her… I’ve never moved out of the house or had my own separate life outside of her…I don’t want to abandon her… I know I have to live my own life, but the guilt I’d feel from that would be horrific“- powerful words, powerful emotions, Stacy!
And now to your todays update: thank you for sharing your update and I’m truly sorry to hear about the ongoing challenges you’ve been facing. I admire your strength and resilience through it all.
Regarding your health, it’s incredibly frustrating not to have clear answers. I hope you find some peace and relief soon. It’s important to continue seeking medical advice whenever you feel it’s necessary.
As for the breakup, it’s understandable that you’re still grappling with the pain and confusion. Unresolved feelings and the lack of closure can make moving on incredibly difficult. It’s clear that this relationship was significant to you, and your feelings are valid.
It might be helpful to consider unfollowing him on social media as a step towards healing. Keeping that connection seems to be hindering your ability to fully process and move forward. It’s okay to prioritize your mental well-being, even if it feels difficult.
If you feel that expressing your emotions directly to him would bring you some closure, then it might be worth writing a letter or message. However, please do so with the understanding that you might not get the response you hope for. Sometimes, healing comes from acknowledging your feelings and releasing them, rather than seeking validation from others.
I’ve been thinking about everything you’ve shared, and I want you to know how important it is to find validity in your own feelings and to trust them. Your emotions are real and meaningful, and they deserve to be acknowledged and respected.
While I understand your worry about overreacting as an adult, it’s crucial to recognize that the circumstances of your childhood were incredibly challenging. In those situations, you probably underreacted, repressing and suppressing your valid feelings as a coping mechanism. It’s not uncommon to numb oneself to survive difficult experiences.
Now, as you navigate your life, it’s essential to re-associate with those feelings you had (and still have) as a child. Those emotions are a vital part of your story, and reconnecting with them can be a powerful step towards healing and self-acceptance.
Your feelings are valid, and your journey towards understanding and embracing them is just as important as any other aspect of your growth. You deserve to trust yourself and your emotions fully.
My (ongoing) healing process, or journey, wouldn’t have been possible if I didn’t go back to my childhood, figuratively, so to pick up the emotions I left there unattended. No wonder I lived a miserable, dysfunctional adult life, being that this very vital part of me (those intense, impactful emotions of childhood) was abandoned and left behind.
Again, good to read from you again, Stacy. Wishing you a new year of healing!
anita
January 3, 2025 at 7:31 pm #441258StacyParticipantHi Helcat!
Thank you for your encouraging words about my progress. The apartment is a very rare opportunity – it’s SUPER cheap for my area, and I just thought I’d give it a shot because I wouldn’t be able to afford anything over it. I figure if I don’t get it, it’s just not meant to be right now. I definitely think the ex situation is causing me to feel stagnant about any of the progress I’ve made. The rumination pretty much takes up most of my mind, aside from health anxiety. It’s why I have gotten to a point to where I guess I have to just make a decision, but the current one just isn’t gonna be sustainable anymore. It’s like an addiction and I have to cut myself off from it, even though I don’t want to for my health.
I really don’t know how I’d feel about reaching out or not. Part of me feels like this is the last missing piece of the puzzle, and that I need to just say what I need to say and move on. But I’m worried if I do, I just won’t have the strength to deal with whatever comes of that – I worry it will reset me with even more questions and confusion. It’s like I don’t want to do it, but I worry if I don’t do it, me cutting him off for good won’t be enough either. I guess even after I unfollow him, I can always reach out to him even if I am not connected to him anymore… I suppose unless he goes off grid. I suspect if I don’t reach out, I’ll never hear from him again, and I know I’ll never see him again. I think that him reaching out to me would mean a lot more to me. Even if it’s for his own conscience.
Happy New Year to you as well!
January 3, 2025 at 8:24 pm #441260HelcatParticipantHi Stacy
I hope you don’t mind if I pray for you to get it? 😊 That’s a really healthy perspective though about if it happens it’s meant to be.
To have this level of insight about the rumination on your ex is progress in itself! I totally understand what you mean about these things being like an addiction.
You don’t have to make a decision immediately. You can always sit with it for a bit to decide what you would like to do next. It might be silly but sometimes I find flipping a coin helpful for understanding how I feel about decisions. If I flip a coin and get the wrong decision I feel disappointed. Perhaps you might have an instinctual reaction to something like this?
I think that you are stronger than you realise to get to this point. You want to be free of it. You deserve to be free of it. ❤️
Love and best wishes! ❤️🙏
January 3, 2025 at 8:26 pm #441261StacyParticipantHi Anita,
The timing of my posting from last year that you mentioned is very interesting and funny. I didn’t notice! Also, the formatting of my message here is not allowing me to italicize your words, so I’m sorry for any legibility confusion in my response.
“This conflict between self-blame and the desire for acknowledgment of mistreatment has caused you significant distress.” — Yes. Also, we’ve discussed the inconsistency. I feel guilty for speaking badly of my family when I know they are fighting their own battles to show up exactly how I need them to at all times.
I got a new counselor around April of 2024 who was about an hour away. The commute was tough with my work schedule, so we had to resort to after work evening Zoom sessions. After only 6 sessions, my counselor essentially dropped me as a client. She offered to continue to try CBT with me about my breakup, but she felt ill-equipped for my health anxiety and extreme rumination. This was a huge bummer to me because she had initially been very enthusiastic about trying to see if I have OCD, and to help me with that. But she admitted she really didn’t feel we were moving anywhere. She was also straight out of grad school, so I understand I was a very tough first client to be put with. I kind of like to joke that even my own therapist dumped me. Dumped by your own therapist sounds like a Seinfeld episode plot… ha. She had suggested that ERP is an effective treatment for people with OCD, but that with my physical limitations and actual issues with swallowing from EOE, she didn’t feel comfortable. That also bummed me out because I haven’t heard of any other method to help people get out of OCD.
“In essence, you were caught in a cycle of self-blame and self-doubt, making it difficult for you to acknowledge the mistreatment you were subjected to, and move forward. You recognized this as a major mental block but was struggling to reconcile your sensitivity with your right to be treated well and to heal.” — Yes. Again, feeling like I made him feel critiqued/unaccepted is hard for me to accept and makes me understand why he might have left. I hate that I didn’t learn about avoidant attachment until after our breakup, but I really do think he exhibits signs of avoidance all over his life. I wish I could have been more mindful of this? But again, it takes two, and I suppose he could have also been more curious and understanding about MY attachment style and triggers as well.
“You needed her to become capable so that you (the part of you that’s enmeshed with her of her) can become capable?” — Yes, if my mom is not thriving, I worry about her and feel like I am betraying her if I “leave” her and level up. Just yesterday, my mom fell pretty hard on our concrete driveway while I was at work and hurt her hip. Luckily, my niece found her and helped her up. She will be 71 in February. I mentioned here last year that her turning 70 was rough on her. I know this is hard for her and it breaks my heart for her to see her get injured so easily and aging. It feels that all I’ve ever seen or known is loss, sickness, weakness, and death from my caregivers.
“I admire your strength and resilience through it all.” — Thank you so much for your kind words. I don’t feel strong. I feel like the weakest one in the family (mentally). Positivity is so difficult for me. And concerning my health and not getting clear answers, I will be continuing to try to figure things out, yes.
As for my ex, yes I will be unfollowing soon. I planned on doing it yesterday night, but funnily enough – Ripley (the coworker who I heard him with the night he broke up with me) posted a screenshot to her Instagram story of their Instagram chat yesterday morning. I was taken aback so much by that because I haven’t seen mention of him in her social media presence since our breakup. Why am I still looking at her stuff? Sad curiosity from someone jealous of her freedom and ability to have his friendship, I guess. I suppose I have to block her now too. It made me feel crazy SEEING their chat. It made me feel so irrelevant and I just wanted to reach out to him and ask him why he lied to me. But I didn’t, of course. Knowing we’ve been broken up now longer than we were together really stings. Him being okay with not reaching out even ONCE after all of this yet being fully engaged with others is really hard to accept.
Maybe me not reaching out is the best option, because I AM trying to get validation from him. It’s not for me to just speak my mind. I DO think I need him to validate my pain so I can finally feel my pain and start healing. If he were to tell me that I do in fact deserve better and he screwed me over, I think I’d finally believe it. Then again, I’d worry he’s just saying that to get me out of his hair. I don’t think I can trust his words. And that’s considering he would even respond! I don’t trust my own feelings yet. Maybe hearing his would just confuse me more. Maybe they would help me – but again that feels like looking to him for MY own truth again.
“My (ongoing) healing process, or journey, wouldn’t have been possible if I didn’t go back to my childhood, figuratively, so to pick up the emotions I left there unattended. No wonder I lived a miserable, dysfunctional adult life, being that this very vital part of me (those intense, impactful emotions of childhood) was abandoned and left behind.” — I know this is an incredibly difficult journey, too. I really appreciate your perspective considering all you have been through.
January 4, 2025 at 9:37 am #441267anitaParticipantDear Stacy:
“I feel guilty for speaking badly of my family when I know they are fighting their own battles to show up exactly how I need them to at all times”-
– no person shows up for another person exactly as needed at all times. No parent shows up exactly how their child needs them to be at all times, but some parents show up rarely, and that’s detrimental to the child.
I believe that your sense of loyalty to your family, particularly to your mother, and the accompanying guilt about criticizing them is significantly hindering your healing process and keep you stuck in a cycle of rumination, regret, self-blame, and self-doubt. It creates an internal conflict, a tug-of-war between your love for them and your need to acknowledge their negative impact on you, an acknowledgment that is necessary for healing. Excessive guilt and self-blame can lead to endless rumination which reinforces negative thought patterns.
Guilt and self-blame erode self-confidence and lead to self-doubt, questioning your own perceptions and judgments, making it harder to trust yourself and your decisions.
Your sense of loyalty and guilt lead to continued enmeshment, where your identity and well-being are too closely tied to your family’s needs and behaviors. This enmeshment makes it difficult to prioritize your own needs and well-being.
“if my mom is not thriving, I worry about her and feel like I am betraying her if I ‘leave’ her and level up. Just yesterday, my mom fell pretty hard on our concrete driveway while I was at work and hurt her hip… it breaks my heart for her to see her get injured so easily and aging”-
-you feel that if you improve your own life while your mother is not thriving, you are betraying your mother. This indicates a strong sense of duty and responsibility towards her welfare, and a pattern of self-sacrifice: feeling that pursuing your own goals and happiness is selfish if your mother is struggling, and that you have to put your own needs and aspirations on hold.
This guilt hinders personal growth and leads to feelings of being stuck. It’s an immense emotional burden and stress, especially when the parent is aging and vulnerable. This responsibility makes you feel
“It feels that all I’ve ever seen or known is loss, sickness, weakness, and death from my caregivers”- Parentification occurs when a child takes on adult roles and responsibilities, often due to the caregivers’ inability to fulfill their own roles effectively. Witnessing constant vulnerability in your caregivers created, no doubt, a sense of instability and fear. You likely felt compelled to support your weak mother and other family members emotionally and practically, stepping into a caregiver role yourself. By supporting them, you might have hoped they would become strong enough to provide you with the stability and care you needed (but that never happened and is even less likely to happen now or in the future).
Parentified children often put their own needs and development on hold, prioritizing their family’s well-being.
“I feel like the weakest one in the family (mentally)”- too much responsibility from an early age weakens a person.
“I got a new counselor around April of 2024… she felt ill-equipped for my health anxiety and extreme rumination… Dumped by your own therapist sounds like a Seinfeld episode plot… ha. She had suggested that ERP is an effective treatment for people with OCD, but that with my physical limitations and actual issues with swallowing from EOE, she didn’t feel comfortable”-
– I appreciate your humor, Stacy 😊. ERP (Exposure and Response Prevention) is a type of cognitive-behavioral therapy that is particularly effective for treating OCD. It involves gradually exposing individuals to anxiety-provoking stimuli or thoughts (exposure). I understand that given your EOE, which is a chronic allergic inflammatory disease of the esophagus, there could be a risk of physical harm or exacerbation of symptoms during the exposure exercises.
The primary ethical principle in therapy is to do no harm. The counselor may have felt that proceeding with ERP without a thorough understanding of your medical condition and its implications could potentially harm you (the client).
The counselor may have felt it was more ethical to refer you (the client) to a specialist who could better address the intersection of OCD and EOE since it requires specialized training that the counselor did not possess, particularly as a newly graduated therapist.
I don’t remember if we talked about parentification before, this role reversal, and how it has kept you stuck. I can’t imagine we didn’t talk about it. Did we?
anita
January 7, 2025 at 11:39 am #441408StacyParticipantHi Anita, thank you for your response. I will get to it this evening after work. I am really struggling today because of some random epiphanies that are plaguing me.
Hope you are having a great day!
Stacy
January 7, 2025 at 11:49 am #441409anitaParticipantDear Stacy:
Take all the time you need. I’m sorry to hear that you’re having a tough day with those epiphanies weighing on you. Remember to be kind to yourself. If you ever need to talk or just vent, I’m here for you.
Hope your day gets better!
anita
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