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  • #119822
    Anonymous
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    Dear B and E’s Mom:

    “Cautiously optimistic” about your marriage is a good thing. What your husband said to you reads reasonable to me. Your kids may not change their minds and continue to see him as the enemy and it may very well be nothing at all that he did that brought about their attitude. Even though your husband needs lots of “head space” (a term you mentioned in an earlier post here) for his business, he does owe you some positive attention, empathy, time because you are his wife. When he married you, he made a commitment to love you, and attention, empathy, time- are love. I hope he makes head space for loving you.

    anita

    #119825
    Mishika
    Participant

    hi,
    Hope it changes you , and ur situations for better.

    Mishika 🙂

    #119826
    MRW
    Participant

    Anita,

    My husband has agreed that he needs to “compartmentalize” his work/personal personas (they are opposite ends of the spectrum) and be more supportive and thoughtful with me than when he is working. So we’ll continue down this new path we created over the weekend and see where it leads. BOTH of us need to keep our minds open to what the other thinks/feels/believes and do our best to accommodate each other while, at the same time, remaining true to “who we are.” It sure isn’t as easy as in the books and movies!!!! 😉

    Because a lot of stress (for me) comes from not knowing how things are going to end up with my kids, perhaps I need to find a group of people who’ve had divorced parents remarry and see if they would be willing to share their stories in some fashion. It’s about the only way I can see to allay my concerns while my children finish their journey to adulthood.

    #119830
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear B and E’s Mom:

    Since a lot of your stress comes from your kids viewing your husband as the enemy, would you like to examine this further here on this thread? Maybe I – or another- being objective to your situation, can come up with insight you may not have, being subjective..? IF you do, what are your kids’ complaints about your husband? When did they first express animosity toward him? Is their father fueling their animosity? What was your husband’s behavior with them from the beginning and onward?

    anita

    #119839
    MRW
    Participant

    Examining things here would be fantastic!! This turned into a novel of a post, so I apologize for the length.

    My kid’s complaints (to which I’m privy) have been:

    1. Both kids were worried that my husband was controlling my time and thoughts and wanted to be with me every waking moment (which has changed significantly since he and I met – he’s adopted the “Hold on Loosely” (thank you, 38 Special) principle and that has made things much better from my perspective.)

    2. My son hates my husband and thinks he is an outright asshole who is “narrow minded and rigid.” I believe this stems from an incident between them. There was always some tension between the two because of item number one above.

    First, some background tho….. For various reasons, my son was asked to leave his father’s house. My son came to live with me at around the same time my now husband entered my life and moved in with me. My husband did not like the level of disrespect shown to me by my son and was encouraging me to stand up for myself and not get walked over like a doormat. That was difficult for me, so one night my husband asked if I wanted him to deliver the “respect your mother or find another place to live” idea to my son. I agreed and a somewhat heightened conversation took place between the two. Fast forward four to six weeks when my husband and I reveal that we got married to both my kids at the same time. They were surprised and may have felt “left out” of this decision because we got married without telling anyone. Soon after this reveal, my son is brought home by his father after a trip to Goodwill to buy furniture items for the basement at my ex’s house to be used by my son. My son goes into his room and starts removing his computer and some other items saying he is going to now be splitting time between his father’s house and mine & my husband’s. I replied that that was unacceptable – I wanted him to make a choice, so there would be known accountability for his well being and not some loosey-goosey arrangement where he showed up at either house on a whim. In anger, I said he could take what he had gathered, drop it at his father’s house, then come back for the rest of his stuff. He disagreed with me about that, and asked me not to clear out his room in the interval. I did not listen and again, in great anger, cleared out his belongings and placed them in the garage for him to retrieve. When he returned, there were more angry words between us and some tears. He ended up leaving with his stuff and going back to live with his father.

    So, now to what I believe to be the major point of contention between my son and husband…. The day after I moved things out of my son’s room he returned to the house while I was at work and asked my husband to let him in to get something he forgot. My husband, not being comfortable with the idea of my son inside while I was gone, refused my son entry; asking him to return after 5:30 when I got home from work. This angered my son to the point of yelling, crying, and trying to lift a sliding glass door out of it’s tracks to gain entry into the house. (I was being texted by both sides of this exchange while it was happening.) My husband did not respond to the emotional outburst, which further fueled my son’s distress. My husband described it as telling my son “no” and not backing down. Eventually, my husband went and found what my son wanted and handed it to him through the door and my son left. This also created some issues for my son and I, but we sought assistance from an excellent counselor and have been on pretty good terms since then, having dinner together once a week and texting off and on.

    3. My daughter has told me she “tolerates” my husband because he seems to make me happy. When she is with my husband and I, I get very little sense that she has the level of animosity that my son does. My husband describes it as her being caught in the middle of a situation where she wants to support and be loyal to her brother for the “wrongs” done to him but, at the same time, she may actually find some value and interest in many of the things my husband says and does (cooking from scratch and ideas about how to live one’s life.) The three of us have actually had what I consider to be good, happy times where my daughter has benefited directly from a new perspective.

    As to what my kid’s father is contributing to the situation, I can not say for sure. I *suspect* there may have been some “fueling” in the beginning, but the pendulum *appears* to have swung the other way as myself, my husband, and my ex have had non-confrontational exchanges in front of the kids on multiple occasions. If the ex *is* fueling anything, then (in my opinion) he is exhibiting hypocritical behavior with the kids.

    My husband’s attitude is that while my kids are teenagers he is not going to overly invest in them as they aren’t “done” yet and won’t be the same people in the coming years. He will help/support me with them (eg, transporting them to and fro if I am at work and unable to do so, showing my daughter cooking techniques, or talking about different life philosophies) but he’s not going to “befriend” them until they become adults.

    #119845
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear B and E’s Mom:

    No worries about the length of this thread, there is no length limitations and I am asking questions after all, making the thread longer by my questions.

    Questions about your answer above.

    1. “My husband did not like the level of disrespect shown to me by my son..” That was at the beginning of your husband living with you and your son, I understand. What disrespect was he referring to: how did your son disrespect you?

    2. “(your son) asked me not to clear out his room in the interval. I did not listen and again, in great anger, cleared out his belongings and placed them in the garage for him to retrieve” Why didn’t you keep his belongings in his room? What was your “great anger” about?

    anita

    #119849
    MRW
    Participant

    There could be others, but here’s what I can definitely say about the disrespect:

    My son was/would:

    1. Asked to carry a house key/lock the front door (a request made to me by my husband)
    2. Asked to text if he wasn’t going to be home by a certain time
    3. Use my tools for his skateboard and not return them, ending up in them being lost
    4. Asked to be quiet after certain hours so that my husband and I could get a decent night’s sleep yet there were many a night where there was lots of banging about in the kitchen
    5. Not get up at the appropriate time in order for me to drop him at school and not worry about being late to work myself
    6. Asked to keep a screen-less window closed so the cats couldn’t get out
    7. Enter mine and my husband’s bedroom/bathroom without permission

    I cleared out my son’s room because, in part, if he didn’t want to live with my husband and I, then he needed to live with his dad full time again and not play us against each other by saying “I’m going to spend the night at Dad’s” while in reality going off with his friends. He wanted to come and go from either house at his discretion, which I felt would wreak havoc on any kind of schedule/routine for daily living, i.e. it would be hard to plan on doing things (for my husband’s work or for us as a couple in the evenings) if my son showed up unannounced. It was also partly what my husband had been encouraging me to do (giving my son the ultimatum to “follow the rules” or live elsewhere) because the level of disrespect from my son was not conducive to me learning how to be more assertive, stand up for myself, respect myself, and feel like a worthy individual. All of which have been a lifelong struggle for me.

    As to my “great anger”…. I think I was reacting to:

    1. Feeling like I had no independence and everything I did had to be approved by my husband (hence the switch to the “hold on loosely” approach)
    2. My kids preferring to live with their dad
    3. Not knowing if the kids appreciated what/how much I did/do for them and how many “problems” I helped them solve
    4. Not communicating as well with my son as I was with my daughter – feeling distant from him
    5. Fear that the kids loved their dad more than me because I’m the one who instigated the divorce
    6. Fear of the kids perceiving their dad as “better” than me
    7. The kids not liking my husband

    #119851
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear B and E’s Mom:

    Regarding your daughter: I am glad you have a better relationship with her.

    Regarding your son: I understand and agree with the logic behind not agreeing to him living in your home and in your ex’s home as she chooses anytime. He should live here OR there. The expectations you listed 1-7 are reasonable but if he didn’t keep these rules because of inattention instead of on purpose, then his inattention is not the same as disrespect. It is possible that you overreacted and cleared his room too soon. It would have been reasonable to not clear his room as soon as you have.

    What happened, basically, is that your husband MOVED IN and your son MOVED OUT. So no wonder he feels animosity. Your son used to live with you, then your new husband moved in and his things ended in the garage as he was not allowed to enter the house.

    You wrote in the previous post: “My husband’s attitude is that while my kids are teenagers he is not going to overly invest in them as they aren’t ‘done” yet'”- I disagree with that attitude. There is no … magical oven that cooks a teenager until he is done and ready.

    To summarize my thoughts at this point: it would have taken a saint of a teenage boy to not resent your husband simply because the new man (your husband) moved in and he (your son) was pushed out of the house. No other reason required.

    anita

    #119853
    MRW
    Participant

    I think my son didn’t do the things he was asked simply because he didn’t *want* to do them. Kind of a “won’t do” as opposed to a “can’t do” situation. I agree that it is possible I reacted too quickly on the clearing of his room.

    I also happen to agree with you on my husband’s attitude and we have talked about it. It’s basically a moment where we have agreed to disagree.

    While not perfect by any stretch, the three of us (myself, husband, and son) did manage to live together for a time. Things ramped up in intensity once the knowledge of mine and my husband’s marriage was brought to light. Before then, things *appeared* ok.

    #119854
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear B and E’s Mom:

    I think that your son loves you very much. Do not underestimate how much a boy loves his mother. He may be angry with you but he also loves you very much. And so does your daughter.

    You obviously care for your son. You took a second job to pay for his medical bills. The thing is, when you struggle to assert yourself (you wrote it’s been a lifetime struggle for you), and when your teenage son is trying to assert himself, the two mixed in a way that hurt the two of you. For a short while, maybe, the two of you were like peers, not a parent guiding her son.

    It is a balance of sorts, for you to be assertive with your son as a strong, guiding force of a mother. Not an easy task and I have no idea if I would succeed in it myself, if I was in your shoes. I would certainly have tried my best, keeping myself as calm as possible, taking one step at a time.

    anita

    #119856
    MRW
    Participant

    I agree that the love is strong towards and from both my kiddos. They come to me, I think, BECAUSE I’m a “guiding force” that actively listens without judgment and am moving towards a peer to peer relationship style, while still offering direction, as they approach legal adulthood. In the weeks of our having dinner together I have come to know more about my son than I ever did when we lived under the same roof – both before and after the divorce with his father. For that development I am most grateful.

    This instance with room clearing is probably THE MOST un-calm thing I’ve done as a parent. It’s like I was another person, entirely. Rational thought was not with me. I suppose the stress of everything I listed previously finally demanded to be let out and my son got caught in the crossfire.

    I am often an impatient person, and this period of my child’s lives can be excruciating at times. I want to know *now* that I haven’t screwed things up and that at some point, my kids might actually see some value in my husband.

    #119873
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear B and E’s Mom:

    It is a good thing you got to know your son better and that the relationship with him has improved. You read like a reasonable person willing to look into yourself for improvements. After all, no one is perfect, and it is about progress. When you are imperfect, as you have been that one time, (and say so to your child: I was impatient. I wish I was patient with you…) you teach your children that it is okay to be imperfect.

    If your son beats himself up in the future, you can remind him: it is okay to be imperfect, remember how I lost it when…. And you can tell him: it is about progress, not perfection.

    I noticed you started a new thread..

    anita

    #119900
    MRW
    Participant

    Anita,

    All true things you say, especially about owning your mistakes in front of your children. Yes, I started another thread because I thought maybe it would reach a wider sample of people from which to draw some information.

    #119907
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear B and E’s Mom:

    To reach a wider sample of people with your second thread, post in it anytime, even without a reply in between your posts- this way you bring your thread to the top of the list and hopefully more members will see it. You can also start a third thread… and a fourth, no limits.

    anita

    #119909
    MRW
    Participant

    Thank you for the tips on reaching more people. I appreciate the amount of time you take to respond to all the different posts – I’m sure others do, too 🙂

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