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November 27, 2018 at 11:08 am #260473TristanParticipant
Hi Anita,
I am yet to start the guided meditations I have a course for I don’t know what’s holding me back. I am on a waiting list for CBT, maybe when those sessions start I will find it easier. From what I understand CBT is similar to mindfulness.
I have a bit of a moral conundrum on my hands this weekend, my ex’s father passed away this time last year and I remember like it was yesterday. We’re not in touch and I have it on good authority she is with someone else now but I still feel the pain of her and her daughter’s loss. I don’t know if it would be a good idea to message her and let her know that I am thinking of them both at this time.
November 27, 2018 at 1:45 pm #261495AnonymousGuestDear Tristan:
As a matter of fact, my therapist of 2011-2013, his specialty was CBT and that was the focus of our therapy, it was CBT with a heavy touch of Mindfulness. I found my therapist by googling CBT in my area at the time. What got me into CBT was a workbook I worked on, Cognitive Therapy for Dummies. It got me going. Maybe you can look at it yourself as you wait for therapy.
As far as messaging her regarding her father’s death last year, at first I thought why not, but then I re-read a bit from page 1 and I don’t think it is a good idea. I don’t think it will benefit her and it is likely to harm you. Let’s say you message her and she doesn’t respond, that may trigger your feelings of being disrespected by her (page 1). Better not.
Face the future, turn your back to the past, meaning no contact whatsoever with an ex is best. When you let go of the old, as you proceed with therapy and healing, you make space for the new, a new, healthy relationship you are yet to have in the future.
anita
November 29, 2018 at 5:52 am #266683TristanParticipantHi Anita,
I think you are right, no contact at all is the best idea. Maybe it won’t benefit her and even though I wouldn’t have been expecting a response, I can’t say for sure that it wouldn’t affect me. I am also now thinking that I won’t attend works christmas meal, knowing that she will be there. I do feel I have let go – I feel sad, but not in a longing for her way – but there will be alcohol involved and that may incite anger or resentment at the lack of honest closure she offered. Particularly if she has found someone else so quickly and is out with him.
I know I should be getting out but I feel now that night is not worth the risk. I would like to hold my head high knowing that I have been genuine but my anger, fear and distrust of people and the world at large is still there. Even though I have made progress I am proud of, the “universal compassion” talked about in the books I am reading is a long way off.
Thank you for listening
November 29, 2018 at 6:04 am #266705AnonymousGuestDear Tristan:
You are welcome. Probably a good plan to not attend that party.
I don’t think it is possible to will oneself to feel that “universal compassion” you mentioned, not for long anyway. And what does it mean really I wonder. Do you know?
You mentioned anger, if you would like to, can you tell me more about it?
anita
November 29, 2018 at 6:40 am #266719TristanParticipantHi Anita,
I believe it means to have released yourself from the grip of negative emotions so that you can see even those who have caused you pain with compassion. A subjective view point from which you can see that their hurtful actions are rooted in something such as fear or pain, and have compassion for that fact, not necessarily them as a person, or the time you shared. That is my interpretation of “universal compassion”.
On to the anger. I feel angry because I tried so hard to reconcile our differences in what I felt was a mature way, and was met with… Nothing. I had a little ‘crazy’ outburst for one day, sending quite a lot of texts, but this was days after she had called me saying we needed to have a proper talk, (which I had been saying for over a month) then ghosted me. I stopped texting her and over the course of a few days I composed a letter acknowledging my faults (which I had also stated from the beginning) and my understanding of how it affected the relationship. I stated how I felt, what I wanted and that we needed to talk for both our sakes, so that if we don’t want the same things in life then we can go our separate ways without animosity.
She is still very much ghost to me.
I let the angry thoughts pass and try to forgive myself for thinking them knowing that they come from a place of hurt. My anger with the world at large on the other hand I am not sure where to start with that. It is much more deep rooted, I suspect it is a driving force for the periods of time when I shut away, never opening my curtains etc and then I mask with other emotional stuff instead of facing whatever that is. It is confusing to think about and draining when I do venture out.
November 29, 2018 at 7:24 am #266751AnonymousGuestDear Tristan:
Anger is tricky: we think it is a bad emotion. We think good people, or spiritual people don’t feel anger (or feel it only if they have a very good reason, as when being physically attacked and only for the duration of a physical attack). But if love is a good feeling, so is anger, both are natural, both have a purpose in promoting survival. It is okay to feel anger. I am not a bad person for feeling it and neither are you. I am not less spiritually… evolved for feeling angry and neither are you.
It is uncomfortable to feel anger because it stimulate the body to do something and if we don’t do something it is uncomfortable to hold it in.
She ghosted you probably because she feels anger at you, don’t you think? Should have told you she felt angry, told you, not punished you by ghosting you, if that was her motivation.
On page 1 you wrote: “Can’t help but kick myself for causing all that trouble for us both”- angry at yourself, wanting to punish yourself. And taking responsibility for her behavior, the part that is her responsibility, not yours.
The thing about anger, got to figure what is your responsibility and what is not your responsibility. Also, separate the feeling from the expression of it. There is no way to feel angry and for it to not show in some way, be it in the tone of your voice or the expression on your face.
I feel uncomfortable myself when I feel angry and when I notice that the tone of my voice was somewhat angry. I automatically feel guilty although I don’t think I should feel guilty. I still need to relax into the reality that anger in itself, including its automatic, non abusive/ non punishing expressions is okay to feel and to express.
I suppose the weed was a way to medicate these distressing emotions, fear and anger?
anita
November 29, 2018 at 8:58 am #266803TristanParticipantHi Anita,
First I need to correct a mistake in the first paragraph of my last post. It should read ‘A non-subjective view point’.
I see what you are saying about figuring out what is my responsibility and what is hers. I still feel that if I had the assertion to follow through with my initial feeling of not being ready then the hurt we have both suffered would never have happened. That is a fact, so it’s been hard not to see it as my fault. In reality, though, the truth is deeper. She pursued a relationship with me disregarding my feeling, that is also a fact and her responsibility.
I honestly don’t know what to think in regard to her motivation for ghosting me. It could be anger – from the time it took it to get my act together, or the issue she had with me and her friend at work. It could be fear of being honest – I heard her lie to friends and family on many occasions, why would I be any different? It could be that she just doesn’t care anymore – meeting someone new would have that effect I guess. I delivered the letter and let go so that I wouldn’t go through all these questions trying to understand, if she wanted me to understand she would talk.
Weed was indeed a way for me to medicate emotions, not just anger and fear though. Also the monotony of my life in general from my job environment to the disillusionment I feel. It was a blissful release in which I could be ok and lose myself in some music or a game without having to care that I feel too bad to get anywhere in life. It breaks my heart to think what that must be like from anothers perspective looking in, that I had just given up.
November 29, 2018 at 9:13 am #266811AnonymousGuestDear Tristan:
There is more in your recent post than the following but the following is significant enough for me to ask: what kind of lies did you observe her telling others?
anita
November 29, 2018 at 9:35 am #266819TristanParticipantHi Anita,
I heard her lie regularly through our relationship, things like her mum, sister or friends would call while she was with me at my home and ask where she was because they had something arranged, she would tell them that she was just around the corner and that she’ll be there in a minute. She would stay with me until I mentioned that so and so had called, you said you’d be a minute and like 30 has gone by.
November 29, 2018 at 9:45 am #266823TristanParticipantHi Anita,
Another was that we were saving for a holiday together, I was giving her so much every week towards it. When we split up I asked for my share and she said that she didn’t have it to give… So the saving was a lie. I wonder if she ever intended on going on holiday together.
November 29, 2018 at 10:15 am #266843AnonymousGuestDear Tristan:
Well, she lies, doesn’t keep her word, is deceitful, these are not acceptable imperfections in a context of relationships, these are deal breakers where trust is expected. Doesn’t this mean Issue Closed, for you?
I mean, there is no amount of weed or any drug that will make it possible to have a loving, trusting relationship with a person who lies regularly, promising this or that and not keeping her promises, regularly. What a shame that you had two relationships with women who were/ are not trustworthy.
You put your trust in her at the beginning when you told her about your issues and then in the letter you mentioned above, as if she was honest. The fact that you had and have issues did not make her lie and deceive, you didn’t create her this way, you found her this way. This is how she was before you met her. And so, how can you possibly be responsible for the ending of a relationship that had no chance, not if trust was to be a part of it?
anita
November 29, 2018 at 11:11 am #266853TristanParticipantHi Anita,
It certainly is issue closed in terms of the relationship, I don’t have any desire to get back together with her. If we had talked things through like I was suggesting for a long time, warts and all, then I would have gotten back together with her. Not now after all the broken promises and her not even being able to have a serious conversation, instead ghosting me, even though I had said that us going our separate ways was something I was willing to accept. It really is a shame but I shall carry on being honest about my issues this much I know is right at least. Sometimes I think that I want to trust so bad I become blind to obvious breaches of, like her lying to her family, it shouldn’t have taken this long to see something wrong with it.
Thank you for helping to freshen my perspective, I understand that I didn’t make her this way and that that’s just how she is. I was never going to get any honest closure from her and that there really was no chance for us to grow as a couple. Do you think her paranoia about me and her friend was maybe some kind of projection? This happened early on and the people at work didn’t help they told her “something is going on between those two” and she believed them over me, clearly. I live on the same street as said friend, so we walked home together and that was all there was to it. Every time she asked me I told her there was nothing, that those at work love to gossip the truth is nothing to them they make up their own stories about people.
November 29, 2018 at 12:00 pm #266885AnonymousGuestDear Tristan:
She lies so no wonder she is inclined to believe other people lie too. Yes, probably a projection about the girl at work. I suppose she was lied to in her past, most likely early on. She then proceeded to lie to others, and so it goes. But you don’t lie, do you, even though you were lied to by her and before her-
Better continue to not lie, but evaluate women/ people better so to figure out if they are trustworthy. If not stop the interactions with the untrustworthy person. It is unwise to be honest with a dishonest person. Better withdraw and limit your honestly to those who are honest with you.
It caught my eye that you wrote a few posts ago that you were trying to medicate the monotony of your life, it caught my eye because I have been a bit bored recently with the monotony of my life. Then I remembered seeing people looking bored doing things that are meant to be exciting, out of the ordinary, things others dream about doing. And of course there are the stories of celebrities leading their exciting lives, or should-be-exciting lives, having all the excitement money can buy and yet, there it is, boredom, that monotony of emotion nonetheless.
It takes having a purpose in life, a passion of some kind to break that boredom, to return to being motivated. Yet sometimes everyone is bored and then, it is about not getting desperate and resorting to any old thing so to escape the boredom, but endure it instead. There is satisfaction/ pride of sorts in enduring boredom with dignity.
* Hope to read from you when I am back to the computer in about sixteen hours.
anita
November 29, 2018 at 3:28 pm #266925TristanParticipantHi Anita,
If only I could have seen how dishonest she was. I dread to think the personal things I confided in her she has told those gossips that she seems to get on so well with. It’s hard not to feel like a total idiot, though I know that I did the right thing just with the wrong person. ‘It is unwise to be honest with a dishonest person’ – good advice I wish I had earlier, thank you. Discerning who is and who isn’t trustworthy seems difficult to me at the moment, I am not good at meeting people as it is.
I am sorry to hear that you are bored with the monotony of your life too. Boredom and monotony in general is something I am coming to accept as a fact of life that just happens sometimes, you are right about the satisfaction of enduring it with dignity. I feel very proud every time I resist the thought of smoking the monotony away. The worst part for me is that I did that for so long I have no purpose or passion, the things I thought I enjoyed aren’t so entertaining when not paired with weed and the only purpose I’ve ever had is just to work and pay bills. I want more but don’t know where to start, it’s frustrating and so I’m just dragging myself through the days trying to find direction. This is what I hope to achieve from CBT and meditation/self-help, inner peace and clarity to say right, this is who I am, this is what I want and this is what I stand for.
November 30, 2018 at 8:31 am #267057AnonymousGuestDear Tristan:
You are welcome.
“this is who I am, this is what I want and this is what I stand for”- this information is already evident, it is right there in you, has been evident for a long, long time. It is not something that will come to be, it is already there and always has been, or has been for many years, at the least
What is it that you stand for. what is it that matters to you most, what do you value above all?
anita
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