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  • #240123
    Tristan
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    Hi all,

     

    I’m new here and this will be my first post. I have been debating if I should be posting this in Purpose, Emotional Mastery or Relationships. I settled on Relationships as this is my motivation for the recent soul searching I have been doing. Without going into detail at the moment, I am tired of apparently sabotaging every romantic relationship that I get into.

    I will start by telling a little of myself and the journey I am just beginning. How I view myself depends largely on my mood, I have struggled with varying intensities of depression for many years now, I also struggle with anxiety of a mostly social nature, which leads me to live a very reclusive, lonely life. I find it hard to reach out, I shut down, I push people away even though I really don’t want to be alone.

    Recently I kicked a long standing, daily weed habit which is the catalyst for this change I am going through it is both wonderful and dreadful at the same time. Wonderful because I can see things clearer now, dreadful because I have been suppressing a lot and I do mean a lot of baggage I didn’t know existed. Funny how I thought that stuff helped my issues.

    What I am struggling with now is where to start in finding myself. I seriously don’t know who I am anymore without the habit to pacify me or my ex partner who set me on this path. For the first few months they were still in my life, not in a supportive role, but as in we were working at working stuff out, which gave me extra motivation. Now I have let go of that and we are no longer in touch I am feeling quite lost, while I had fixing the relationship to focus on it hadn’t dawned on me that I didn’t really know who I was. I still want from life what I wanted with this person, but I know now that I have to get right with myself first. When people tell me I have to do things for me and me only, to figure out what I want, it always comes down to this: I want to be part of a healthy relationship, I want a family of my own.

    #240311
    Tristan
    Participant

    Does anyone have some advice to offer? I have no one to talk with and desperately struggling not to slip back into old ways. How to get out when reclusive by nature, how to push through shutting down and skipping work, how to develop a better relationship with myself?

    Thanks

    #240357
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Tristan:

    You  wrote: “I find it hard to reach out, I shut down, I push people away even though I really don’t want to be alone”- I figure you find it hard to reach out because you did in the past and didn’t get the love you reached out for. I figure you shut down because being open you experienced pain, and I figure you push people  away because people have hurt you.

    We want people around, we are social animals, but when people have harmed us, we are cautious, protective and so there is this conflict, we can’t stop wanting people in our lives, “wanting to be part of a healthy relationship” on one hand and  we are scared of  people on the other hand.

    “How to get out when reclusive by nature”- to me the question reads like how do I get out, socialize when scared?

    “how to push through shutting down”?- my answer to these  two questions is slowly, gradually, cautiously, selectively.

    “how to develop a better relationship with myself?”  – by developing a better relationship with at least one other person. EAR is one guideline of a better relationship with another:  Empathy, Assertiveness, Respect. Have empathy for another and empathy for yourself, Respect for another and  respect for yourself and  assert yourself, a necessary skill, can’t do  without if you want to be  healthy.

    I will soon be away from the computer for the next sixteen hours or so, if you post again with your thoughts and feelings  I will be glad to reply when  I return to the computer. I hope other members will reply to you before I am back.

    anita

    #240387
    Peter
    Participant

    When people tell me I have to do things for me and me only, to figure out what I want, it always comes down to this: I want to be part of a healthy relationship, I want a family of my own.

    I’m not sure what that advice means. It is important to pay attention to the things that engage and inspire us however that more often then not involves engagement with others. I prefer to think in terms of he middle way. Helping and working with others is an excellent way in determining what it is we want for ourselves, which an attitude of “only for me” might get in the way of.

    Perhaps your friends meant that it is important that your actions come from an authentic part of yourself. Its understandable with your current changes that you’re not sure who that is yet, and that’s ok. Exciting even, as it opens the doors to possibilities.

    My observations have been that discovering those as yet unknown parts of ourselves come from engagement with life as it show up, eyes open and strong boundaries, but without trying to force it to conform to ‘the way is must/should be…(which would be a strange thing to do when you aren’t even sure what you ‘want’… we all do it anyway)

    That said having a goal of being part of a healthy relationship is a good one. A place to start is to understand for yourself what that would look like. What do you expect from yourself with regards to relationship? What are the exceptions you have for a potential partner? Lots of people have the goal yet few do the work.

    You might find the Book by David Richo ‘How to be a Adult in Relationships’ helpful. It is a wonderful guide

    #240415
    Tristan
    Participant

    Hi Anita & Peter,

    Thank you for your replies.

    Anita:

    You are right about the pain I have experienced in the past, over several relationships in fact. The same pattern emerges in which I feel misunderstood and then ridiculed after I try to articulate my feelings, I have been called dramatic and moody many times. In my first serious relationship I was lied to right up to the very end, even when breaking up she couldn’t be honest about the man she was with behind my back. This wrecked me and I have been carrying it since. More recently, my last relationship was doomed (by myself) from the start. I told my ex when we met that I didn’t feel ready, told her of my past, my issues and how hard it would be for me. She assured me that it wouldn’t be like that with her and I caved, we got together. For a while things were ok but then she developed an issue with a mutual friend from work who I actually met her through, and I gave her no reason to believe anything was there. I spoke to this woman only at work and on the way home from. I didn’t have any interactions with her outside of that. She didn’t trust me and so I began to shut down. Then I got suspended from work for a long time for substance misuse and I not only shut down but away also and she started to take all of this personally. We broke up. Tried working things out when I was back at work but she kept letting me down with all our plans without even letting me know, seriously not even a quick text. Then I had a call from her saying that we needed to talk and she would phone me at a certain time which never happened and I haven’t heard from her since she went totally ghost on me, I don’t get it so I posted her a letter saying my piece and let go for good. Can’t help but kick myself for causing all that trouble for us both by just not being assertive, as you mentioned.

    You read the question right I am not much of a socialiser and I have works xmas meal coming up which I am dreading enough as it is and then to top it off she will be there even though she hasn’t worked there in a long time. I will keep EAR in mind, thank you for the advice it makes a lot of sense. Slowly, gradually, cautiously and selectively is sound advice too however, I am struggling to get to even a slow start.

    Peter:

    The advice is from the man who runs the support group I attend and I suspect that your interpretation is right. I get so confused lately what with my emotional state being even more sensitive and unstable than usual due to not suppressing anything anymore with cannabis. I now have to find the authentic parts of myself as for so long being a ‘stoner’ defined me and controlled my life to the point that I couldn’t even face going to the shop for food as I was trying to smoke away so much anxiety from not knowing if I had a job to go back to. I lost a lot of weight. After that I don’t find the idea of finding myself very exciting, I feel scared to be honest. Scared of what I’ll find or who I really am.. What if I turn out to be not a very nice person? What if that’s the reason I shut myself away on a subconscious level? Also scared of engaging with life it’s been such a long time since I have. I have only really engaged life as far as work and family, my network is non existent.

    I can give you an idea of my vision for a healthy relationship though. I want to be a rock for my girl to lean on when she needs it, I want her to be mine. I want to be understanding and honest, even in the toughest times. I want a best friend and partner in crime to tackle life with as it hurls obstacles at us both individually and together as a team. I want to feel like I need no one but her and I want her to feel the same. Thinking about it as I write it down I want to be what I need

    #244799
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Tristan:

    I think there  is your fear on one hand, fear of being hurt once again and there is your anger on the other hand, anger at those who already hurt you and quick to anger  at the  thought of being hurt again.

    “Finding  Myself”, your quest, is  somewhere between those two, the fear and the anger.

    The way to  find yourself, is to take care of the  fear  and  anger first, when those significantly lessen, then you will find yourself.

    This will lessen your fear and  anger:  be selective as  to  whom you get involved with, learn about her over time, is  she  honest, is she trustworthy with you, does she do right by you- continue if she is, discontinue if she  isn’t. And be aware of your own behavior: are you honest and trustworthy, do you do right by her- when not, correct your behavior.

    anita

    #244819
    Tristan
    Participant

    Hi Anita,

    The anger at those who already hurt me is one such example of the things that I was suppressing while using cannabis daily. Since quitting I have made good progress and in fact contacted the ex partner from my first relationship to tell her that I had been holding on to grudges and bad feelings which I have now let go. It was eating away at my soul, taking chunks from and leaving bite marks in each relationship since. I simply hadn’t realised being so wrapped up in the escapism of being stoned all day, every day.

    The fear, I fear, is a completely different beast. I am not angry with my recent ex as in that I have bad feelings or grudges toward her, I am angry that she had so little respect for me (us) to handle the situation as adults. I was very clear many times that we needed to talk even if it meant going our separate ways and that we could do that in a way which would allow us to be civil. My fear now is that of crossing path’s with her and how it will affect me. We live very close to each other less than a 5 minute walk and I don’t feel I can leave the house because of it, it’s irrational I know. Not even sure what the actual fear is. I really don’t want to miss works xmas meal because she is going to be there so I indeed want to conquer this fear.

    I have acquired the book Peter mentioned as an audio book and have started listening to it. Mindfulness seems a great place to start I just have to find the determination to stick with meditation as it seems quite a lot to take in as i’m feeling drained from negativity.

    #244829
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Tristan:

    Mindfulness is a great place to start and I am glad you got the audio book that Peter recommended to  you.

    Congratulations by the way for kicking your weed habit!

    Regarding your fear of the recent ex, my following observation may help- or  not- regarding this fear: in your original post you wrote regarding your recent ex: “I told  my ex when we met that  I didn’t feel ready, told her of my past, my issues and  how hard it would be for me. She assured me that it wouldn’t be like that with her and I caved”-

    You told her about your past and issues because you thought of her as someone capable to help you overcome  those issues, as if she was a qualified therapist or a person mature and healthy and capable to help you with your issues and  bring about that healthy relationship you desire.

    I figure you put her on a pedestal, giving her the  information you thought she needed so to make things okay. I have done something very similar myself, feeling so incapable myself that I viewed  others, wrongly, as  capable.

    anita

    #245653
    Tristan
    Participant

    Hi Anita,

    Thank you for the congratulations, it is still a rough ride.

    You are right in that I gave her that information with the intent of arming her to work through any issues that will inevitably arise. It was also intended as a warning of parts of myself that are not so desirable. I wouldn’t say as such that I put her on a pedestal, I didn’t expect for her to fix me but to support and help me along fixing myself. I don’t know maybe I did expect too much we didn’t take things slow enough for me to really know each other before I took that leap of faith.

    If you don’t mind me asking, after doing something similar and viewing someone wrongly as capable, have you taken a different approach since? Or have/would you still be open about your issues going in?

    #247859
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Tristan:

    You are welcome.

    I am fine with you asking- I am still open but not presenting myself as less capable than the person I am open with, that is, not communicating to the other that he is more capable than I am (in issues of mental health and relationships), or superior to me. Instead I present myself as equal and suggest to the other to work as a team, to help each other. I listen and pay attention to the to other person’s challenges, realizing basically that we are all sort of lost, we all need help.

    Question is: are we willing to help each other, make it a win-win relationship.

    Does that answer your question?

    anita

    #248269
    Tristan
    Participant

    Hi Anita,

    Thank you for sharing, that does answer my question.

    On reflection it’s entirely possible I hadn’t presented myself as equally capable. I thought that I was presenting myself in a way that suggested we work as a team but thinking back now to some things said, particularly at the doctors, she didn’t feel that way. I think maybe I didn’t lend the best ear and was putting too much on my own issues. It wasn’t until we broke up that I quit weed and started to think clearer.

    I was so close but so far… It’s an awful shame that this happened on the cusp of such powerful change. Change that I had tried to communicate in the best way I could. Acceptance, forgiveness, inner peace, I will get there.

    #248279
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear  Tristan:

    I think that you will get there! You accomplished something big when you stopped your daily weed habit. Be very gentle with yourself at this time as your thinking gets clearer. Like the serenity prayer said, I do wish you have  the serenity to accept the things you cannot change, the  courage to change the things you can, and the wisdom to know the difference.

    Regarding mental health and clarity of thinking, you will find  out, if you haven’t so far, that plenty of non weed  smokers are  not well and  are not thinking clearly, so better not  assume others think more clearly or know better.

    anita

    #248285
    Peter
    Participant

    Hi Tristan

    What if I turn out to be not a very nice person? What if that’s the reason I shut myself away on a subconscious level?

    I was once told that if someone asks themselves if they are crazy then they probably aren’t. Apparently when your crazy you don’t notice your crazy so won’t ask the question 🙂 I suspect the same is true here.

    I just have to find the determination to stick with meditation as it seems quite a lot to take in as i’m feeling drained from negativity.

    There are all manner of methods of meditation. A good place to start is when you notice your feeling negative create some space to step back as a observer of the negativity. Often just a few moments is enough to allow the thoughts and feelings to flow, vice becoming blocked, and soon you will notice your breathing change on its own.  Its fascinating that a change in how be breathe can change the intensity of how we feel.  “Its not the breathes you take but how you Breathe”

    I’m impressed your doing the work  and I suspect you will discover possibilities that you never yet imagined.

    #248541
    Tristan
    Participant

    Hi Anita & Peter,

    Anita:

    I was walking to work today and on the way I ended up behind someone smoking weed. The smell of it had my mouth watering and my mind screaming out for it, fortunately we didn’t share the path for too long and the thoughts died down. It was the fact that I wouldn’t care if I smoked some and that is exactly why I can’t.

    I am not a religious person but can certainly now see the value in those words from the serenity prayer, thank you for your words of encouragement and support.

    Peter:

    Thank you also for your words of encouragement and support, the book you recommended is proving quite insightful. I have started using some affirmations from it and feel like I’m having an easier time letting negative emotion pass me by. There is another book I have gotten my hands on – Mindfulness: Finding peace in a frantic world – which is more focused on meditation, in fact it is an eight week course which I plan on working into the daily routine I am just establishing. Crazy how chaotic a life on weed is to say I thought I was “just chillin”. I plan on revisiting How to be an adult in a relationship after I’m comfortable with meditations, or maybe letting it play through while I sleep to absorb it into my subconscious. What do you think?

    A question for the both of you if I may, do you practice meditation and mindfulness daily and if so, what was your experience when starting out?

    #248595
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Tristan:

    You are welcome.

    I  understand  your craving. I don’t crave weed myself but different people crave different  things, from food, particular foods or  any food, to various drugs and  activities. Craving  is an intense  thing. Congratulations for resisting  it yesterday.

    As to your question, I no  longer listen to guided meditations but used to. Listening to these was part of the homework my therapist at  the time  (2011) assigned me in between the sessions with  him. The theme  of those  were Mindfulness and  that was the year I started practicing Mindfulness, still do, every day, repeatedly, continuously  it  seems. It seems I typed just now because there is  no end to  mindfulness, there is more  and  will always be more to  be mindful of, more to pay attention to.

    So basically, I am more mindful than I was  and less mindful that I will be.

    anita

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