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  • #48597
    Valleyrose
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    I am in a relationship with a man. We are very different. i am a go-getter, he is laid back. But nearly upside down he is so laid back. Consequently I show my feelings for him more than he does for me. I am also a control freak and for the past 32 years have tried to control the men in my life. however as a result of us being so different I have had no choice but to to change – to let go and let things go and see what happens.

    There is still a long way for me to go though.

    Something happened this week – something which is a really difficult issue for me. he didnt lie exactly but he did lie by omission about something which he knew would hurt me. he knew that he had to tell me eventually and when he did and when he could see I was upset, he made light of it and I feel he negated my feelings on it by refusing to talk about it. If only he had said: Baby I’m sorry, I just wasnt in a place I could talk about it at that time – it would have been all ok. I didnt show my upset with aggressiveness, just an “ok, thats a shame”

    We havent talked about this and I dont know whether we should or whether it will just make him even more defensive. He doesnt usually do this – he is usually very open and honest. Should I just accept what happened on the basis that this doesnt usually happen or ask to talk about it. Thanks Guys

    #48601
    Mark
    Participant

    Valleyrose,
    I see relationships as a series of behaviors where one thing does not define the relationship. It is how we are with each other over a period of time that reveals the health of the relationship. We each affect the other in relationship. We behave according to who we are with. We bring our baggage, i.e. what we have learned from past relationships especially what we carry from our family-of-origin, usually unconsciously.

    Plus we all lie. http://www.npr.org/2012/06/04/154287476/honest-truth-about-why-we-lie-cheat-and-steal.

    Is the real underlying issue about you trusting him even though this is an anomaly and he admitted this openly to you? Or something else? Examine why this still bothers you. I believe we each need to our our own reaction and response.

    If you still feel the need to talk to him about this then I recommend you look at Non-Violent Communication (http://www.wikihow.com/Practice-Nonviolent-Communication) as a model to communicate where you communicate how you feel, what underlying need that was not met and then make a specific behavioral request.

    Let us know what happens.

    Metta,
    Mark

    #48661
    Valleyrose
    Participant

    Thank you Mar. Have been pondering this more overnight. In the past I have let things go and it has bitten me on the ass later on down the line. he is actually very good at listening in the right environment and takes things on board too. At the moment I am minded to say something but along the lines of what I can do to help him not do the same again. I realise that previous reactions from me may occasionally make it difficult for him to be as open with me as he could be.

    #48676
    Matt
    Participant

    Valleyrose,

    I think you’re onto something there with “previous reactions from me may occasionally make it more difficult for him”. If you have a history of becoming emotional, making assumptions, and/or becoming suspicious, then it could be difficult to feel safe talking to you about certain things. This doesn’t make his withholding a deception, rather an attempt to be considerate to your happiness and the connection you two share. Much like we might choose to wait to pass gas until we’re not snuggling under a blanket together. A few things came to heart as I read your words.

    Perhaps as you learn to stop trying to control others, it would be helpful to intentionally set down your side of it, and look from his. Not “he hurt me with his actions” but rather “what lead him to do it that way?” Take yourself out of it, stop making it about you… its not really fair to either of you. For instance, instead of writing out a wish that he had said such and such (control), look at the components that were there. When he did such and such, what was on his side? What did I hear? What spooked me? What spooked him? What could make communication smoother in the future?

    Consider “my love, it makes complete sense why you approached it that way, but it was also a little extra painful for me. What might make a little bump like that easier on both of us in the future? What do you need from me to feel safe telling me about the difficult things?” Perhaps you two might find some common ground. Also, consider that common ground is more easily found when you two are hand in hand, exploring intimacy and the relationship together. Much like you might sit together and look at the pieces of a puzzle, then work together with curiosity and playfulness to find the fitting pieces and reveal the picture.

    With warmth,
    Matt

    #48690
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Valleyrose.
    It is very sad you perceive change that way, as if you had no choice but to change. How can anyone make unwanted decission about unwanted change and stick to unwanted change out of one’s choice? Unwanted change is something that one obviously doesn’t want, so we don’t do it, at least out of our own choice.

    Accomodating to change which was independent from our wishes or choice is something entirely different. We do not even have to accomodate to it in the long run, we can make another decission and change follows.

    #48714
    Pooch
    Participant

    Valleyrose,
    I agree with Voov.

    Also I hope I won’t offend you when I say that by wanting to know what you could do so that he won’t do the same thing again in the future, you are trying to “control”. If you choose to forgive, forgive unconditionally.

    Best regards,
    Pooch

    #48717
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Pooch, by all means, I agree, Mr Goodwill writes best pieces.

    All the best and also the bestest, your taste is always the tastest,
    Voov

    #48763
    Valleyrose
    Participant

    Thank you for comments and support. When I said I had no choice to change – actually I realise that my relationships are defined by my need to control and therefore for my own future happiness that has to change. We have discussed this a little now. And he says that there may have been a little bit of him that was reluctant to say it because he didn’t want to hurt me. I am fully aware that this is down to me.

    #48764
    Valleyrose
    Participant

    I realise that I am terribly insecure. I hate uncertainty, I hate not knowing and I hate that someone might withold information from me. I need clarity, specifics. And I know that is all around control and that I cant always have certainty. How do I let go of that need to know?

    #48781
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    There’s nothing wrong with *need to know*, this is how we learn from other people.

    You say your *need to know* comes from insecurity and, of course, on the other hand, other people have the need for privacy. When your *need to know* becomes a nuisance for others it means you need to learn from people (each person) what are their boundaries and when they start to feel uncomfortable with your *need to know*.

    If you have trouble with recognizing/setting your own boundaries (and it seems you may have that problem, because you are insecure and *need to know* everything in advance) the only thing you can do is to interact with others, observe them and start respecting their boundaries. Letting go of this need won’t help you and I don’t think this is even possible.

    I’m not saying you must copy behaviours of others (copy their boundaries and follow such scripts yourself), I’m saying that recognizing boundaries of others might help you build non-smothering relations with them. Your *need to know* may not be fulfilled, but perhaps by learning new skill you might stop paying attention to your need for excessive fulfillment and have better relations with others. If that’s what you wish.

    Behaviour you describe may be taken as very intrusive as people’s needs differ and they might fell like your company is intollerable to them. Compare how unpleasant can your intrusive/obsessive thoughts be (when you can’t satisfy your *need to know*) and think about how other people may feel when you invade their privacy. Intensity and unpleasantness should roughly be similar, just perception by others is that it comes from outside (from you, from the invader) and yours is that it comes from inside (of you).

    While your script clearly does not help control others, as they finally slam doors in your face, energy investment you make is not beneficial for you. Your own thoughts control you and this is why you feel really bad trying to fulfill excessive need.

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