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    Mike
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    This might be long-winded because that’s the way I write, just a warning.

    I started to date this girl I work with last year in November. I had JUST gotten out of a 7 year relationship a few weeks prior and it was very much related to this new girl. My 7 year relationship was emotionally abusive and my self esteem was shot, and the attention and interest this new girl was showing me was enough to get me out from under the thumb of my abusive relationship and into something new with another girl. A sort of rebound. Except this rebound girl was awesome and amazing and showed me a lot of positive things that I want in a relationship. There were some red flags, but I chose to ignore them like we always do because I thought I could fix them. Basically all of them were situated around her being really immature for her age. I am 28, she is 24. She had never been in a relationship for longer then 4 months, I’d been in one for 7 years. She had never not lived at home, never really took care of her finances or anything of that sort. Things that are obviously problematic but things I ignored because I loved everything else about her. Except we had a really big fight in the middle of July (9 months into our relationship) because she was texting her ex and being secretive about it and lieing to be about it even after I caught her and she just ran away. She was like “I don’t love you anymore” and that was that.

    She was always open about her confusion with emotions, her inability to talk and interact with overwhelming feeling because it would cause her to shut down and not be able to interact. We worked on this a bit but she would always get too overwhelmed and stop the conversation. Then the fight happened and it got too big and she just ran away.

    After the break up we didn’t talk for a few weeks until we needed to exchange some stuff that we had of each others. Some clothes and stuff she had left at my house. We got together and talked and had a good conversation but again she got up part way through saying something and said that she had “had enough” and was “overwhelmed” and needed to leave. Starting to see that she is really immature and can’t handle adult stuff in any capacity. We talk a bit more that night and the same thing happens. She accuses me of pushing her too hard and too far and I accuse her of playing games and “opening up a little only to slam the door in the face when she feels like I am getting too close” We agree to not talk for a few months, if not longer.

    Fast forward again a few weeks and she contacts me because she sees on my work schedule that I am going on vacation. She says have fun and I ignore her because I don’t want to talk to her. Yesterday, I get off the plane and turn my phone back on and she has sent me another text, asking me how it went. I respond this time, saying that it was really good and was really helpful for me (I did a cross country road trip with a friend who was moving to the other side of the country and we camped along the way; getting into nature is always helpful for me and this time was no different). Anyway, she asks why and I explain that it helped me to recognize that her and I don’t work because we don’t have the same idea of what friendship is or what love is. That she doesn’t understand boundaries when it comes to a break up and that I have specific criteria when it comes to my friends. I don’t have superficial relationships with people. I have and want and need depth but she can’t provide that right now for me and so I’m not sure that we can talk. Cue her saying that she “wants to change that and is working on that aspect of herself because she knows she needs to fix that in order to be happy, she needs to be willing to have more depth with people, etc” so I try to help. I talk about it with her and after a bit, she again accuses me of pushing and digging and trying to analyze her and says “goodbye maybe we shouldn’t talk” and I basically lose it. I don’t swear or anything but I say something along the lines of “don’t accuse the way that I interact with you as being why you close down. You doing that is a choice that you make and has nothing to do with me. I don’t appreciate being blamed for your inability to communicate. I have and always have had an open door policy with you, and you are the one who is jeopardizing that, not me. If you want to do your work on your own, that’s fine, do so, but don’t randomly talk to me and start to open up and then when I start to engage you slam the door in my face because I don’t want to play your stupid games.”

    She didn’t respond. Part of me is okay with this, because I feel like I can let go and just not interact with her anymore unless I randomly see her at work (we work in a hospital, so it will happen, but very rarely. When we were dating it would only happen maybe once a month.) But then the other part of me still wants her to be in my life as a friend at some point but I don’t know how possible that is because I don’t expect her to make any changes to the way she is. I feel like she just says she wants to but won’t actually do anything about it. I don’t know.

    #83346
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Mike:

    Reads to me like she is a crazy making person, someone I would stay away as far as I can because my sanity is not something I take for granted and having gained a measure of sanity recently, it is too precious to risk. You read like a reasonable person, keep it this way, please.

    anita

    #83383
    Jodi
    Participant

    It is difficult to be friends after a breakup even in the best of circumstances. However, I think the issue here is that because you care about her you are still trying to “help”. Your ex may not be able to accept help from you. There are five major stages of change and it sounds like she is either in the contemplation stage or the preparation stage, both of which happen before change actually occurs. At that point she is not ready for anyone’s help least of all yours. If you do extend your hand in friendship, do just that, just be her friend and let her find her own way. That may mean a lot of nodding and smiling and not helping on your part, but at this point that may be all she can accept. However, make sure that you are able to be her friend without it adversely affecting you as well. You can always choose to be “friendly” instead, meaning that you exchange pleasantries in the hall at work but you don’t really hang out or chat. Best of luck!

    ~Jodi

    #83393
    Mike
    Participant

    At that point she is not ready for anyone’s help least of all yours.

    This really resonates. She mentioned at some point that she doesn’t want any help and thinks that the way I help “doesn’t work for her.” The biggest issue is that she would constantly try to connect and chat and “catch up” (she asked me for my spaghetti sauce recipe at some point in our talking) and it just feels very “mixed message”-esque to the point where I get the impression that she wants to chat and talk about stuff, and be friends, and then she expresses she wants to make changes so my immediate response when friends say that is to talk about that change and interact in a way to help facilitate that in any way I can. I usually do it well, but I feel like our history doesn’t really allow me to do that because I recognize that if this one barrier was overcome by her, her inability to communicate and have depth with me, that we would get back together and be happy because everything else outside of her immaturity is what I want in a partner. That knowledge puts me into “fix it” mode when she talks about making changes and then she get annoyed and upset with the way I try and do that. I really think she just isn’t ready at this point to make big changes. I just can’t interact with her as a friend if that is the case then because in my opinion, friends help each other and ask for help and interact in that kind of way and that doesn’t seem to be something she wants or is capable of having with me.

    #83601
    Jodi
    Participant

    Keep in mind that you have to give yourself a bit of time to heal as well. So it’s good that you recognize your limitations of friendship with her. Be gentle with yourself and give yourself time to get past the disappointment and loss. Best of luck!
    ~Jodi

    • This reply was modified 9 years, 1 month ago by Jodi.
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