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  • #422564
    LunaIsHere
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    Hello, Helcat!

    That’s alright. I also take some time to reply, and I find this pace quite liberating. I think this is what makes forums the closest type of correspondence to pen-palling, and I mean that in a good way.

    Thank you for the good wishes my friend. I hope this message finds you well.

    Honestly, I can get that feeling and hopefully, you’ve found something to look forward to this winter. Personally, I love autumn but I struggle with the short daytime/early nighttime cycle T.T as I’m very active in the day and now that it’s shorter, it frustrates my productivity a little. On the bright side, autumn/winter makes wonderful vacation opportunities.

    Anyway, I like what you said about getting in touch with emotions and the way you’ve linked that to boundaries. However, on a more down-to-earth level, I feel that the question of boundaries is clearer in some settings than others. Other settings (personal relationships) show it to be more of a process than anything; it’s only when an acquaintance crosses the boundary of being an acquaintance that one would ”put them back into place”.  Please let me know if I should give another example if this one didn’t clarify the idea enough.

    Yeah. I like to give that part of self-awareness more fun though otherwise, it ends up too rigid … That stage (filtering out dislikes and likes) feels like making a potion to me hahaha

    Honestly a bit of both but I would say more about the other person playing both cards; sometimes they’re flirting and other times they’re being friendly and not settling on one. Proper toxic energy, I know. Well for me, that’s just more reason to spend a little more time in that filtering stage.

    Unfortunately, I think there is today so much gap between the world of relationships and having sex, and people in the real world looking for real connections are struggling to fix it. Then, because we’re so done with that struggle, we find each other on a forum like this and we share our frustration. It sounds like a bittersweet story of friendship but it really is the reality today. And I feel that combo, I don’t know what I’m finding difficult right now, to be honest, but if I had to say approximately, it would be me finding interest in someone and us being on the same page on what makes a healthy relationship.

    Of course, thank you for being so open about them by the way.

    I had the biggest smile on my face when I read that story for the first and second time. It has all the elements of a mature and genuine connection. I’m happy for you. I think that is what most who want something genuine are looking for; no one would perish from not falling in love but may think they would without real connections.

    Oh, I see! I’m glad that turned out well for you now.

    My best wishes to you too,

    Luna

     

    #422567
    LunaIsHere
    Participant

    Dear anita,

    Thank you for your detailed reply. I will get back to you tomorrow at the latest.

    Best,

    Luna

    #422591
    LunaIsHere
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    I hope this message finds you well,

    From the analysis that you have done, I can see that, as you’ve said before, you seem to feel comfortable about taking an intellectual take on subjects, which I think is okay and I acknowledge your efforts put into this reasoning. Yet, I don’t know what in what I said gave the impression that I don’t ”feel” the need for a relationship. To make that clearer, I feel and think that need. I have both an emotional and an intellectual perspective on the matter.

    That being said, I agree with the idea that relationships are never trouble-free; Life as a single person in itself is full of ups and downs let alone in relationships. Hence, feel free to share more insights on the subject if you’d like. This is what this space is for.

    Best,

    Luna

    #422595
    Helcat
    Participant

    Hi Luna

    I’m going to put a trigger warning up at the top here, for the next relationship story I’m going to share at the end. So people know to stop reading if they don’t want to read something that is a sensitive topic and might make them feel uncomfortable.

    I’m doing better thank you! How are you feeling?

    I’ve always enjoyed the format of forums for the same reason. It’s nice to write something longer, thoughtfully at a slower pace sometimes.

    Autumn is actually my favourite season too! I enjoy when the leaves change colour and fall from the trees. I walked by a lot of rich houses with trees on my way to school and there would be crispy fallen leaves on the path. I enjoyed shuffling through and kicking them. Such a simple pleasure. It reminds me of being a child again. It’s also not too hot and not too cold, so that’s a bonus.

    Are you planning on going on vacation this autumn/winter? Or do you have anything that you’re looking forward to?

    That is true, boundaries are very fluid in personal relationships. It’s a process of two people coming together and reaching an agreement on things, or not and parting ways. I tend to prefer professional relationships in the workplace for this reason. There are strict standards for behaviour. Personally, people’s perspectives vary a lot on which behaviours they find acceptable.

    I would agree about not being too rigid in the filtering stage, as you call it.

    Yes, the mixed signals about whether someone is trying to flirt or be friendly can be frustrating. I think it’s also difficult because some people are not straightforward if they like someone and can be afraid to let people know that they like them if they’re not sure the other person likes them back. Then again some people just enjoy flirting and don’t particularly want to go anywhere with it.

    You mentioned that one difficulty you are having is finding someone who is on the same page as you about what makes a healthy relationship. I’m curious about what your idea of a healthy relationship is?

    I agree, I think that’s why this forum is a great place, people can share in a safe space and get the opportunity to meet lots of kind people.

    I’m glad that you’re enjoying my relationship stories. This next one is a not so fun a story, but sometimes dating is difficult.

    I’m going to include another trigger warning here so anyone reading will know where the sensitive part is coming next.

    So basically, there was this guy I liked who was a friend and I thought he liked me. He said he wasn’t ready for a relationship. We fell into a friends with benefits style situation briefly. It wasn’t my cup of tea. I suffered from low self-esteem and was told by my biological mother that this is what men wanted. Ultimately, the situation was too upsetting for me because previously I was a virgin and there were some consent issues because of abuse as a child. I wasn’t confident enough to outright say no to someone who didn’t make an effort to check if I was comfortable. After a couple of times I called the whole thing off because I was just getting upset afterwards.

    I hope that wasn’t too tough to read. Wishing you all the best, it’s a pleasure talking as always! 🙏

    #422608
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Luna:

    I don’t know what in what I said gave the impression that I don’t ‘feel’ the need for a relationship“-

    You said:  “I would say I tend to have a rational take when it comes to emotions. I’ve looked so much into that too haha it is interesting that you brought it up because I feel like I wanna step away from that too; feel the emotion instead of thinking it.” (Sept 25).

    I don’t know what in what I said gave the impression that I don’t ‘feel’ the need for a relationship“-

    I didn’t say that you don’t feel the need for a relationship, or that you don’t feel emotions otherwise. Put in a new way this Sat morning, my understanding is that you find refuge in thinking, refuge from feeling; that overthinking provides you with a welcomed distraction from old emotional pain.

    You mentioned a phrase in a reply to a member just over nine months ago: “What you feel, you attract, and where focus goes, energy follows“- your focus is thinking, and that’s where your energy flows, into overthinking. In regard to the first part of this phrase: what you suppress feeling (yet still feel), is what you attract.

    What you feel in regard to your powerful of childhood, you chose to not share in your thread, beyond the very general and vague sentence that I boldfaced in the following (Sept 24): “I can see how you’re drawing the link between the parent-child bond and my inquiry and I expected this to be brought up given they’re the most common models in terms of a healthy (or not) couple partnership. So to get back to your question, like any other child, I have received powerful messages from my environment on how to act and be in a couple“- no mention of what those powerful messages were and what you felt about those messages..  not as any other child, but as Luna the child.

    Back to your yesterday’s post (Sept 29): “To make that clearer, I feel and think that need. I have both an emotional and an intellectual perspective on the matter”-you are a thinking and a feeling person, absolutely, I  have no doubt.

    That being said, I agree with the idea that relationships are never trouble-free; Life as a single person in itself is full of ups and downs let alone in relationships. Hence, feel free to share more insights on the subject if you’d like. This is what this space is for. Best, Luna“-

    – My main insight in regard to romantic relationships is that when we grow up distressed and conflicted, and the Conflict is not resolved in childhood, it carries on into adult romantic relationships. Personally (and expressed here in a child-like, emotional manner vs the intellectual): my mother was very angry at me, a whole lot of angry. It makes me sad and it makes me scared. Please don’t be angry with me, mother! PLEASE??!!! Please, pretty please… don’t be angry with me.

    I tried to disappear best I could, as a child, to feel as little as possible so to hurt as little as possible. Fast forward, as an adult, in what could have been romantic relationships, maybe, I was.. no where to be found, dissociated.. gone. Men who approached me- I automatically rejected, looking away, walking away, but if they persisted in pursuing me physically, as in sexually, after physically fighting them off me, if they persisted (those men were predators).. I disappeared while they did what they wanted to do.

    I NEEDED a hug. I was so lonely and my mother’s touch was far from feeling like anything positive, even when she meant it to be affectionate. There was no one to touch me kindly, so that was what I needed from humans who sought my company, and those humans were men looking for sex. I welcomed the hug; unfortunately for me, they exacted a price for the hugs.

    What I shared above is very personal, yet I shared it in a public forum. If my mother read it, she would venomously shame me for what I shared here. Part of me is afraid that you will do the same, or that someone reading this will.

    I’m asking about getting mentally ready for being in a relationship through self-development. For more context, I’m very passionate about self-development and I’m very future-oriented when it comes to matters of the heart” (Sept 24)-  I don’t expect you to share anything as personal as what I shared, or anything at all about your childhood, or about sex. It doesn’t feel good, really, for me, to have shared it, and it will be scary for me to click the submit feature.. It’s risky, but talking about self development, which is your passion, it takes taking risks.

    Best to you too,

    anita

    #422854
    LunaIsHere
    Participant

    Dear Helcat,

    Sorry for the quite belated reply. Life caught me up and there have been more ups and downs than usual in a week. But I’m glad to report that things seem to settle now.

    Autumn is simply one of the most romantic seasons of the year. No wonder, it is the season of poetry and whimsical goodbyes! There is also something spooky about it. We don’t really have Halloween here but the movie industry doesn’t cease to remind me of that with the newest horror movies. On this note, I hope that October has been treating you well where you are, and I’d love to know what you’re excited about doing this season.

    Speaking of which haha Honestly I’m excited about picking up writing poetry as a hobby this season and if I’m lucky I’ll learn a new one on the more indoors, cozy side. I’d also love to feel cozy this autumn, and maybe rekindle something beautiful that couldn’t have happened at a time and now it calls for it. And maybe because I tend to look ahead, I’m already thinking about my yearly reflection. So yeah, busy mind.

    Too right. I’m a very straightforward person (although even for me it’s always easier to be THAT straightforward in my head than in real life) so mixed signals simply push me away. Like if I get the courage to be upfront about my feelings, at least I expect the other person to have the emotional intelligence to respond to that with some maturity and care. At the end of the day, everyone is responsible for their own feelings. Rejection in itself is not a mistake. It stings, but it is a right that we all have, and I think it’s another sad thing how it is so dramatized.

    Of course. For me, a healthy relationship is one where I feel like there is a flow-y communication with the other person. I need to feel heard, seen and loved just the way I am. Also, an old friend asked me more or less the same question recently and I answered: ”It needs to feel real and compatible”.

    I’m sorry you went through that. And I’m glad that you have taken that step for yourself. That’s self-love if anything and it takes a lot of courage.

    If anything, I’m really grateful for your trust to share with me (though it’s a public forum) and I hope that you feel better after you do so. Thank you so much and I feel the same way! I’m glad to have finally landed back here haha

    Sending you so much love!

    Enjoy the spooky season!

    -Luna

     

     

    #422855
    LunaIsHere
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    Thank you for your response. I will be getting back to it at a later time.

    Best,

    -Luna

    #422857
    Helcat
    Participant

    Hi Luna

    That’s quite alright! There is no rush 😊 I’m sorry to hear that your week had a lot of ups and downs. I’m glad that things seem to be calming down.

    At the moment, I’m enjoying the chocolate apples available for Halloween. Here, the children go trick or treating and the adults get drunk at parties. My sister loves Halloween and enjoys dressing up for it. Usually, we watch horror movies together for Halloween. Do you have any favourite horror movies? The local woods are stunning this time of year now the leaves have changed colour.

    Something special is happening for me. My husband and I are having our first child. I’m very nervous, as well as excited. The hormones are crazy! Ups and downs all of the time. I read a story about a pregnant lady crying over running out of orange juice early in the pregnancy and thought “That’s silly. I’ll never be like that…”. Well now I understand how she felt. 😂

    Good luck with your poetry! If you would like to share any here you are welcome (it doesn’t have to be written by you, it could just be something that you enjoyed reading). I enjoy poetry too.

    My favourite piece is by DH Lawrence:

    I never saw a wild thing feel sorry for itself. A small bird will drop frozen dead from a bough without ever having felt sorry for itself.

    <p style=”text-align: left;”>Some may find it a little bleak. But for me it’s a nice reminder not to feel sorry for myself when things are difficult.</p>
    That’s honestly fair! Everyone deserves to be treat with respect when they are courageous and brave with sharing their feelings. I think that you have a very positive view of rejection. I agree. The way I think about it is there are billions of people on the planet. We’re all looking for compatibility. It’s down to luck who we bump into and if they’re not compatible, it’s no ones fault. Good luck meeting someone that they are compatible with!

    That’s a really healthy view of a relationship. That’s honestly how I feel with my husband and why I married him. It was the first time I’d ever felt like that. I felt like he even accepted the parts of me that I didn’t like about myself. In a way, him loving me; being kind and supportive taught me how to love myself.

    I stumbled through relationships for a while wondering what love was. It’s great that you already intuitively understand it. You already know what you’re looking for! Be patient because these types of relationship can be hard to find.

    I’m glad that you didn’t find my story distressing. Dating isn’t always sunshine and roses. I think it’s important to be aware of difficulties on the dating scene too. I’m okay and happy to share these stories with you. ❤️

    My next relationship was a long term one. My first long term relationship. It was long distance, we met online and enjoyed talking. I visited him and we even planned for me to move to be with him. I had a difficult family life, so I wasn’t sad to leave it behind. But still it was a big decision. Where this relationship broke down is that this partner didn’t communicate very well in-person. Whereas online he was very communicative. So it was like two different experiences in-person vs long distance. He couldn’t cope with having important conversations and shut down, so I ended the relationship. It was difficult because I loved him, but sometimes love alone isn’t enough.

    I’m curious about your forward thinking. I’m only just starting to plan for the future, I was in survival mode for a lot of my life. I don’t want you to share things that you don’t feel comfortable with though. As you said, it is a public forum, so I totally respect your privacy.

    Love and best wishes! 🙏

    #422893
    LunaIsHere
    Participant

    Hello Helcat!

    Thank you for your empathy but I have rather more ups than downs (depends on how I see them haha but I would say that I feel quite tired often and I wish I could do more about my energy level) Overall, I feel very grateful.

    Oh, that sounds soooooooooooo dreamy. I think I’d enjoy Halloween but I’m generally not a night person either. Like a themed sleepover Halloween party would be more my scene! And I do not watch horror hahaha What are you watching this Halloween?

    I’m so HAPPY for you! Congratulations!!! Honestly, when I received your message two days ago I couldn’t wait to come back and congratulate you right away but I realized it would be better to reply to the message as a whole so I’m glad I’m able to do that now. That sounds like a story but I’m sure you have a more realistic perspective on it now as you said too. Anyway, my sincere wishes go to you throughout this special transition into motherhood.

    Gladly! Upon reading that I thought of my favorite poem of all time; The Road Not Taken by Robert Frost and it just reminds me so much of my own experiences in life and my decisions. I don’t know how much you’re into astrology (or at all) but that poem itself has so much Saggitarian energy that I relate to.

    That’s such a beautiful verse! I kinda see why you like it so much. There is so much wisdom behind it and so much motivation. Hence I love spending time with nature so much.

    Thank you for the good wishes! I honestly might have had some developments on that the last couple of days (the ups and downs I mentioned) and I’m in this familiar but not so familiar spot. It’s still early days for me to take any decision but my intuition brought this person back into my life now and I think it is my intuition that’s gonna decide if I should let them around more or not. If anything, I could let them go now too.

    That’s so beautiful to hear and it does give me hope myself. I’m really happy for you once again.

    I know, right? I’m starting to think so myself because I literally was just thinking to myself that it was my wishful self who was rather impatient for things with this person to work out. In fact, how do you tell if someone is playing games or is just being themselves? In other words, I’ve nearly convinced myself that I have a crush on this friend -whom I never 100% considered as one- and I know that I’m not going to settle for less, but I have a hard time telling if them not telling me the things that I want to hear most from them is them being real and sincere about how they feel and about me (like being considerate enough to say it when it’s right) or are they “testing me for themselves to be sure” (which is a bit of a deal breaker to me anyway lol)  or just playing games with me to get something? My intuition doesn’t tell me it’s the latter so it’s between the former two.

    It’s a pleasure to hear them as always and I’m glad that you’re happy sharing them with me.

    That seems fair. Honestly, that sounds like a tough one out of the two that you have shared so far because I can see there was effort on both parts. Moving in with this person couldn’t have been an easy decision for you (despite the motivation that you had) but it sounds like that was the right call for you then. I can see that you’ve been tested by life on several occasions too, and I cannot help but wonder if I have that much patience myself hahaha I mean, a single life isn’t all that bad until you start seeing everyone you know happy in their families right?

    I really appreciate you saying that. And I’d love to share more of my thoughts with you. In fact, I was wondering if there is a way you’re comfortable with taking this to a “less” public level. I don’t know, it’s a big step for me too, to be honest, but hey, I’m open to hearing what you think about that.

    Sending so much love and peace your way as always and once again, congratulations on the new member of the family!

    -Luna

     

     

    #422943
    Helcat
    Participant

    Hi Luna

    I have an email address or an imgur account if you would like to communicate outside of the forum.

    The email address is tbthrowaway64@gmail.com

    The username for imgur is usernamealgorithm

    Whichever choose, please feel free to send me a quick message and I can reply to your last message there if you prefer.

    Love and best wishes! 🙏

    #423157
    LunaIsHere
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    Sorry for the belated reply.

    First, I’d like to thank you for your detailed messages as always. Secondly, I understand that the main theme in your reasoning are how unresolved conflicts in childhood affect long term romantic relationships and I can agree with that hence the importance of personal development and having an opem heart and mind to the life lessons we get as we move forward.

    That being said, you being vulnerable about past wounds shows that you are well on your healing process. I wish all the best of luck on your way.

    As for the point that has been raised throughout our interactions on intellectualizing emotions. I realize that everyone is prone to doing that at some point as we learn to better process our emotional world and even make the most of it in our real world.

    Best wishes,

    Luna

    #423160
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Luna:

    Thank you for getting back to me, for your good wishes, for focusing on the positives and for being otherwise kind to me and to others.

    “the importance of personal development and having an open heart and mind to the life lessons… As for the point that has been raised throughout our interactions on intellectualizing emotions. I realize that everyone is prone to doing that at some point as we learn to better process our emotional world and even make the most of it in our real world”-

    – After I submitted my last post to you on Sept 30, I read posts that you submitted in early October and I realized that your language was spontaneous and emotions were not intellectualized.. so I was wrong, I knew then, and wanted to let you know but waited until- and if- you get back to me. So, you did get back to me and what you expressed in the quote above is my opportunity to learn a life lesson, here it is (developing my thoughts as I type):

    I tend to get laser focused on one element of the big picture and therefore, not see the big picture. I noticed the element of intellectualizing emotions in your early posts, and focused on that element. In my communication with you, I did not consider that everyone intellectualizes emotions to one extent or another (not just Luna..,  not just me), and I did not consider the possibility that this element is not permanent, that it is fluid instead, depending on you warming up to certain people, or feeling less awkward perhaps to post on a public forum.

    I am wondering about the reason for this lifelong tendency, and what comes to mind is the image of a child trying to find stability on shaky ground where unpredictability/ capriciousness/ instability/ changeability rule. So, the child adjusts to this by looking for and focusing on whatever can be perceived as permanent and stable. Or, in other words, the child needs to see permanence, so she sees permanence. While being laser focused on permanence, changeability is a blur.

    Thank you for teaching me this life lesson. I am now more capable than before- because of you- to see the bigger, fluid picture. Quite amazing…  It is possible for me to learn this lesson (it will be work in-progress to continue to learn it)  because you presented it to me kindly, gently.. not rudely or harshly- another lesson to further learn.

    anita

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