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  • #175457
    Gigi
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    I found this forum after searching “I love my girlfriend but still love my ex”. All the stories and responses are so insightful, and have given me much to think about. I am the ex he can’t forget. The one he still loves and cries about. The fear in his new woman’s life… and the one who loves him still. To make a very long and painful story short, I dated my ex in two different relationships: the first one we lasted nine months and broke up for 4 months due tk emotional and physical infidelity on his part. Four months later, we initiated a new relationship that was better, but I think I was traumatized by the infidelity from the previous one. He did seem to be very insecure, and need to have women close by, which made me feel like I was going to fall through a trapdoor. A year later, after losing a a pregnancy, I left them. Again. The thing is, I left them often. And I know that was my mistake. It was not done out of anger or power struggle or manipulation. It was because I just couldn’t stay and feel completely devastated. Our relationship was very passionate, with incredible highs, and many lows. I also found this was the person with whom I could dream, enjoy life, and feel alive. And so did he.  Have you ever had a relationship with someone who can help you dream at the same wavelength? We did. So he went to therapy soon after our breakup 2 years ago. For the first year, we attempted four times to talk about our problems in person. And it was a disaster. Every time we met there was a lot of crying, fighting, and a lot of missing, and a lot of guilt about who left and how much he was offering, or why I left and how much I had suffered. We tried this non-stop communication that was 99% from his side talking about love and loss messages phone calls a lot of crying for a year it was impossible for me to move on, although I knew he was dating a lot. I felt very guilty because I was the one. In January, I asked him to not contact me anymore. For the first time he respected this to a degree. I knew that in February he started a new relationship with the woman he still with today, eight months later. He messaged me for my birthday send me a present which I returned, and again messaged me for his own birthday in July. All this time he had kept in contact with my best friend talking to her and crying on her shoulder about me. And how hard his relationship was emotionally. Then in early October just three weeks ago, he asked me by email to start going to grief therapy with him to help us both resolve the loss of our child. I agreed, but I know his girlfriend is not happy about it. I know she is a very successful woman with three different ivy league degrees, money, position, in about eight years older than him. She is everything he wanted in a relationship partner, and one of the reasons why we separated was because I felt constantly Under Fire for not being enough on paper. Although I have gone to college it just seemed like I didn’t have the glitzy requirements he needed. This woman is definitely a great choice for him as she introduces him to people that can further his career, he respects her, she brings him peace, and I imagine intimacy might be great if they are still together and he repeats how important it is for him to “protect his relationship”.  I never felt any of this toward me when we dated. He has said that I was a chaotic person but that he loves me and that she is calm; finally after our first therapy session, which was grueling, he said he loves me too. And ever since, he has been telling me after each session that he loves me, and the things that he misses from us in his new relationship. He also wants us to “collect ourselves” over drinks after each session. I go and see him cry over losing us before he goes home to her.  I feel conflicted, because I still love him, but I am that EX. The one that he cannot shake off. The one that was crazy and chaotic and likely toxic to the world. The problem is in relationships, not everybody knows what happens behind closed doors and it takes a lot of courage to accept responsibility over our own mistakes. But, what do you do with someone who says that he loves his girlfriend, but he still loves and misses you tremendously? I go to therapy with him once a week three times already, and I’m afraid we may fall in love again, or that he is simply trying to become a better man for his new relationship. So, there is a lot of things we don’t know and for the one who started this thread I hope your girlfriend wasn’t manipulative, and I hope you can move on, but I think we all need to be very honest with our feelings because your new girlfriend may know your feelings now for both her and your ex. Thizs woman knows and she is afraid. I know and I am sad. Sometimes relationships are just too hard, what love is demonstrated on the actions that we take to make them work.

    My ex kept his entire department untouched for about 16 months. Every time I visited I didn’t know how other women could walk in there with so many pictures photos and mementos of us. This had been our home. I know now that in August, all of our pictures and mementos were put in a box that he took to his office and he stores it there. The new girlfriend feel safer, I know they fight every week after we have our therapeutic session. And I also know from him, unless he’s lying, that he sits in his office and goes through this box of mementos and two photos many times if not every day of the week. I know he cries closest to box and goes home every day. The ex may live in your mind and maybe that is the safest place to have her. But now that we are seeing each other every week I am afraid. So for all of you out there, unless your ex was truly emotionally unavailable or unaffected by you,she may have felt fear or pain to separate as well.  And then the last question would be how do you separate from that acts you can shake off your head? Should you?

    #175627
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Gigi:

    You wrote about his new girlfriend: “This woman… brings him peace”, and you wrote: “Our relationship was very passionate, with incredible highs, and many lows”.

    It may be that peace is not what he is interested in, that the incredible highs and lows is what he is after. Maybe he is after both. So when he has peace he is searching for the incredible highs and lows.

    anita

    #175629
    Gigi
    Participant

    It is possible, thanks Anita. For the past couple weeks we have gone to grief therapy together, but it turned into “couples” therapy from the start. On the first day, he scheduled 2 sessions instead of one… I was shocked.  We had not seen each other for 7 months, and last week was our 2 year separated. He said he loves his new gf, he didn’t look at me and seemed sad to say it. He said that things are different, she makes sense, but he wonders if he will ever love anyone the way he -still- loves me. How he misses me inmensely. Lots of tears, and after each session, he wants to have dinner or drinks. He avoids talking ab his new gf; I try to keep it cool and bring it back to our baby’s loss. However, I catch him stearing at me and crying. He loves his gf, and it seems she is very jealous and our grief therapy is hard on her. Yet this is the first time he has made a point to grieve our loss with me. And I feel sometimes the ex is threatening to the new relationship, but it is not real. We are smoke and mirrors.  I don’t know why he is paying for our therapy, but I feel heard for the first time… even though I know it will end soon.

    • This reply was modified 6 years, 6 months ago by Gigi. Reason: Typos and info
    #175631
    Gigi
    Participant

    Sorry about the typos! Typing from my cell phone it’s quite difficult.

    #175637
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Gigi:

    You wrote that “he wonders if he will ever love anyone the way he -still- loves me”- he probably should not love again the way he loves you because the  way he loved and loves you is not benefiting anyone, does it.

    You wrote that you “feel heard for the first time”  in the therapy you are attending with him. Would you like to elaborate on that, on what you are being heard about for the first time (maybe when you are in front of your computer and it is easier to type)?

    anita

    #175639
    Gigi
    Participant

    I agree, the way he loves has been really painful for me, though he seems to be much better for his girlfriend, as he says. I feel heard for the first time in therapy, because although there is a lot of sadness, he is listening and there is a witness who guides the conversation. In therapy, neither one of us is screaming or fighting. However, 2 years later, I wonder why we’re there. It feels good for me to get the loss of our relationship and our child of my chest and not carry it alone anymore. But 3 sessions into it, I wonder why he wanted this, how it benefits him, and how I will feel at the end. I don’twonder much about the new girlfriend, because I am being respectful, and I figure that if he loved me so much he would not to be with someone else in a stable relationship. Also,  he immediately text sir after each session .  Although I don’t know if she is aware of the drinks afterwards .  But,  I keep  body contact to a minimum ,  the somehow I see him trying to hug me  more every time.  I imagine this is because of  the sadness and emotions lived during the sessions . So I keep my distance. Not too bad for the scary EX.

    #175649
    Inky
    Participant

    Hi Gigi,

    He is using the miscarriage and grief counselling as an excuse to see you. It is called Plausible Deniability and you have fallen for it. Don’t get me wrong: men do go through emotions after a pregnancy loss. But would-have-been parents don’t go to GRIEF counselling (which in your case is really couple’s therapy??). They go to a Pregnancy Loss Support group. Maybe. (I’m not trying to be totally insensitive. I’ve had two miscarriages. But my DH and I wouldn’t have gone to a grief counsellor unless there was a funeral and a burial plot. Know what I mean?)

    Also, I think he is addicted to the drama. You never sounded like enough “on paper” for him. But she is. Yet here he is pining and crying over you. Yet he won’t let her go. Yet you two will never work out. etc.

    Please.

    It is time he finds his own drama: The drama that comes when you quit going to this therapist, when you stop taking his calls, visits and texts.

    You need to be set free of this, Gigi.

    Best,

    Inky

     

    • This reply was modified 6 years, 6 months ago by Inky.
    #175651
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Gigi:

    “In therapy, neither one of us is screaming or fighting”, you wrote. That is wonderful, isn’t it, to not scream and fight. That way you have a chance to hear and be heard. This would be a healthy relationship for you to have, in the future, one without screaming and fighting, one where you are heard.

    I don’t know what his current girlfriend is thinking about you. Perhaps it makes you feel special, to be the ex you read about, the ex that current girlfriends worry about.

    anita

     

    #175653
    Gigi
    Participant

    No, it doesn’t make me feel special. If anything, it makes me feel lesser. And that is the very point I wanted to address. I believe a person is where they want to be.

    #175661
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Gigi:

    Did you notice the reply you received by Inky, above?

    Since his interest in you is causing you to feel lesser, then I hope that your association with him is short lived.

    anita

    #175663
    Gigi
    Participant

    Dear Inky,

    I do wonder why he wants therapy now. We talked for  whole year post breakup and it was dramatic and painful. In January, I asked him -begged him- to stop contacting me. I would get bombarded daily for a whole year. And I mean, a good day was a 20 email day.

    I am sad to think expecting oarents don’t go to grief therapy. I lost my baby on a car accident at 5 months gestation, and all the dreams, hopes, and love vanished with him.  I grieve every day, and I felt abandoned. Perhaps that is what the therapy is, a way to atone in the end, now that he has found love.

    #175673
    Gigi
    Participant

    Yes Anita, I just answered.

    What makes me feel lesser is knowing that love is not enough. There are other factors that are pragmatic which I seemed to fail at. My ex and I were engaged, and when I left him it was a huge and hard decision. I often felt that I wasn’t the woman he had envisioned, I wondered if perhaps this is why we had so many issues from his side, therefore I couldn’t imagine why he wanted to marry me. In the relationship he is now he has everything he wanted. So, I feel lesser, because that love was not enough and it didn’t carry us through. Not the way his new girlfriend is set up to succeed. And that is something most girlfriend’s should know, the ex is not always someone to fear.

    #175685
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Gigi:

    You wrote: “love is not enough”- depending how we define love. If love is crying a lot and bombarding you with 20 emails a day for a whole year, then he loves you.

    But what if you define love as promoting the well-being of the loved one? What if love is not love unless it benefits the loved one?

    anita

    #175697
    Gigi
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    It depends on what each of us thinks of love, yes. I have been feeling very guilty for 2 years for leaving him, even though I did because I couldn’t stay there any longer. I think we should have done therapy earlier, but we didn’t have that opportunity. There is a book called The Love Languages, and the way I see love is through actions, and quality time. I think the way he sees love is through words of affirmation and gifts. This is the way he showed me love. But sometimes we have to love the other person the way they understand it. I don’t give him any compliments, and I have blocked everything about me to him, because I think it will prevent him from moving on. So you are right, sometimes we have to love the person by the way what’s best for them. And as his ex fiance, perhaps the best for him is to be with someone that fits in his life and his professional future better.

    #175705
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Gigi:

    I think that the “emotional and physical infidelity on his part” that you mentioned in your original post is not loving to you, not in a way of “actions, and quality time” and not in a way of “words of affirmation and gifts. Not in any way I can imagine.

    Can you elaborate on this: ” I felt constantly Under Fire for not being enough on paper”- anything he said and did that ignited that fire?

    anita

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