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  • #152478
    Troy
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    In the past I noticed I liked pleasing people but I also prided myself on being ‘nice’.

    Now it feels out of control.

    I think of myself as an ambitious person and I like to explore broadly. I work in youth mental health, retail, Army Reserves and go to the Gym and to a separate Yoga studio each week. Because these environments are quite different I find myself adapting to the culture of each environment.

    However, now its starting to get a bit out of control – I find myself adapting the ‘culture’ of each person I am talking to and so at times it feels like I completely ‘loose myself’. Its quite distressing as in this overly agreeable state it feels like I don’t have access to my own opinions, funny jokes – it just feels like my real brain is seized and locked up.

    I would love some advice.

    I think part of where this is coming from is poor ‘self-help’ book advice that often speaks in unqualified terms about things like ‘always’ ‘everything’ ‘life’ that have got somewhat conditioned into my mind

    Thank!

     

    #152484
    Eliana
    Participant

    This is a great topic that a lot of people struggle with including me. I think being in a 12 step program (I am now on step 11) has really helped me. I think it really started in my early childhood. I was neglected terribly by an Alcololic mother, and although my Dad loved me very much, he had to travel so much for his work, not knowing my mother would leave me and my siblings alone while she went on drinking binges. Luckily we were taken away from her By the courts, but the damage had been done.

    I remember, if I tried to be a perfect little girl and not cry or ask for anything, and keep my room clean, my Mom might not leave to go to a bar and just maybe, I could get her to love me, which never worked. Or if I pleased my Dad, he would not leave so much to travel and I would get more love and affection from him. That’s how it all started. I needed validation from others that I was okay, worthy and a loveable or at least a likeable person.

    I think the key is to do things that make you feel good about yourself. When you do this, you will not feel you need to be the nice guy or likeable, because you are already feeling good about yourself without pleasing anyone else.

    Try to stay away from toxic people or avoid them as much as you can, because you will find the urge to please or gain their approval as well. When you are around people who love themselves, they will spread that love into the universe and others including you, and you won’t feel the desire to please them.

    You already know you are a nice guy, so there are always going to be people out there that don’t like you or approve of what you say or do. Research has shown that at least 50 percent of people are not going to agree with us. I learned this whole obtaining my Psychology degree. And that is their problem not yours. If someone disagrees, just say that’s okay that we don’t agree, we are just different and let it go, don’t fight or argue with them, it never works.

    Set boundaries. Start slowly. Its easy for people pleasers to always want to help other’s, and they end up not knowing how to say no to requests, then they get resentful. So start slowly, it’s okay to say no. People will be okay with that, they will understand you have other obligations, if not, you don’t need them in your life, so try to avoid people who drain your emotions, and energy and just sort of suck the life out of you, by always expecting you to be there.

    Try to need and reach out to other people for help too. This way, people will understand that you too, have struggled and needs and they will back off. I hope this helps.

    #152486
    Anonymous
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    Dear Troy:

    When you talk to people, as they express their likes and opinions, their plans and so on, take every opportunity to express your DIFFERENT likes, opinions, plans and so on. If someone says: I love red, say: I love blue (if you do love blue). If a person says: I believe in god, and you don’t, say: I don’t believe in god.

    Take every opportunity to express a difference. Have fun with it, if you can.

    anita

    #152496
    Troy
    Participant

    Eliana: 

    Thank you for going into detail sharing some of your story. I appreciate it

    For me, I don’t remember being a ‘pleaser’ growing up. I grew up only with my mum, but she loved me and my brother and gave us everything she could, I didn’t feel disadvantaged by it. But as I progressed through high school I became more self-conscious and less free spirited, although confidence did built in other areas.

    Yet toward the end of high school I started reading self help books which their extremely big claims like “you can be anything” “you can do anything” “always be confident” “if you do this you can xyz” kinda stuff and I really took it on. And by trying to be better in my ‘life’ in every area, over time I think it has resulted in me adapting to be better in each area based on that areas standards, instead of bringing myself to that place. And as I mentioned now its sometimes adapting to each person I speak to which if at a workshop or at work talking to colleagues can be very decentering. With customers its not usually a big issue, but as a customer I struggle to feel comfortable over the last few years as I ‘try to be a good customer’ too instead of being myself and now I just find the whole process awkward. Its weird because I can be very comfortable and at ease at parties ususally and just recently made it onto a video at a music festival which was just me high fiving people and giving out free stuff as a volunteer (shared to a 100k+ following) and then I feel self-conscious and shut down trying to order a coffee.

    I’m rambling a bit now – but basically it feels like the ridged adoption of poor unqualified beliefs over a number of years has really got me in some knots I don’t know how to get out of now that its automatic and unconscious.

    I like what you said about boundaries too. Something I have been noticing recently and I am happy you have remained me in your message!

     

    #152500
    Troy
    Participant

    Anita: 

    This is going to be a powerful exercise to me. As someone who has encouraged himself to ‘always be positive’ this wont feel natural, but will hopefully be interrupt my pattern.

    Any words of wisdom to differentiate lightly noting /stating differences and a self-focused “me, me, me” kinda direction I have at times felt when trying a similar exercise.

     

     

    #152516
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Troy:

    Interesting: your last two lines read to me like you being focused on what others will think of you if you express your likes, opinions, etc., not wanting others to think that you are a “me, me, me” kind of a person. This is in line with the theme of your thread-

    sometime along the way, maybe starting in high school, you got deeper and deeper into the mindset that the way for you to make things happen in your life to your benefit, is to cause other people to make those things happen in your life. It is up to them, therefore, better please them, better… and getting deeper, you almost… become them.

    There is a term: Locus of Control. People with External Locus of Control believe events in their lives derive primarily from other people’s actions, hence the focus is on other people, to the exclusion of self.

    People with a strong Internal Locus of Control believe events in their life derive primarily from their own actions. A comfortable, centered, confident mindset follows this mindset.

    Back to your question, how to present to others your likes, opinions, etc.- start small, one sentence. Then pause. If the other person asks you a question about what you just shared, answer it with one or two or so sentences. Take it from there. Most personal conversation between people should include all the  individuals in it.

    anita

    #152522
    josie
    Participant

    This is very interesting, as recently in my life this has been playing on my thoughts-why do i find it hard to be my authentic self continuously? Then i start thinking, do i even have an authentic self-does it depend on who i am around?  Its a funny thing to not be totally sure of what you really like or dont like!  Maybe by loving ourselves more we become more sure of who we are and feel less of a need to adapt ourselves and seek approval of others. I am a firm believer that if we need to please others to be ‘content’, then we cant truly be free ( and therefore never truly content)

     

    #152598
    Eliana
    Participant

    Hi Troy,

    I think the self – help books sort of psyched you put in a way. Let me know what you think. Many of them are outdated. They put too much expectations on people. I think positive affirmations are okay up to a point, but in truth, they are not reality. We just can’t be all this and all that all the time. For example, if someone suffers from chronic debilitating depression, it’s like telling them “snap out of it! And just be happy! You can choose to be happy, so just be happy!.

    Would we tell that to a friend who struggles with schitzoohrenia, borderline personality disorder, manic depression, etc? These are real illnesses and can’t be willed away. It is an illness that is helped by Psychotherapy, DBT therapy, Atypical antipsychotics medications, antidepressants, intensive outpatient or hospitalized therapy etc. We can’t choose to “be happy” and “awesome” all the time, we are not wired that way, and I don’t want to be that way. We all have our flaws, vulnerabilities, and when we show our vulnerabilities to another person, that is what makes us loved. No one likes a perfect person, or someone pretending to be who they are not. Try to not think about those books anymore because they are not reality and too restrictive, and many people do not find constant positive affirmations helpful, research has shown. Just keep being who you are,  do things you like and not what other people like, things that take the pressure off, and good things will start to happen.

    #152620
    Troy
    Participant

    Anita:

    Thank you for your in depth response! Very interesting that you brought up the external locus of control. What you said makes sense and I am familiar with the term. What is interesting though is that for the last few years I have felt what I thought was a very strong internal locus of control. To the point that I felt how people respond to me is mostly a product of how I feel and am projecting myself. For instance when working in retail, I made a point not to complain about ‘bad customers’ as 99% of the time if I was in a positive place that energy would seemingly just be reflected back to me.

    I am not sure what has changed, that all of a sudden I am bending like water. Although I have always to an extent – more recently it feels extreme and trying to avoid it can often feel even less natural.

    I feel myself at times ‘snap out’ of this whole chase but again, its only 5% of my life currently where I snap out of it and have a good time.

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    Josie:

    Haha I can resonate with the “do I have an authentic self?” question as of recently. I think I do, but I’m not sure where it hides, or how I find it when I want to.

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    Eliana:

    Yes I think this is a core part of it. And I do feel very restricted. Following this kind of advice for the last 5 years. I have been very ambitious and when I had spare time I would listen to audiobooks (e.g. whether walking, travelling, driving, gardening, brushing my teeth- Any time I can multi-task I would listen to self-development audiobooks). I really believed that I would reach a point where I couldn’t not integrate these principles and become highly successful like the people these books talk about. With the amount of effort I was putting in how could I not?

    However, like you said these claims are very restrictive and they talk about things like ‘life’ so I would try to apply these principles to my ‘life’ in what I am guessing is an unqualified way. So i thought, if I am going to ‘CRUSH’ business meetings and high stake things in the future – it should be a walk in the park to be good in low pressure places like grabbing a coffee, ordering some food etc. But I put my own pressure on and now doing these things make me feel some uncomfort, whether anticipated on in the interaction. Its strange because I do put myself in high pressure situations and often cope (e.g. presenting to schools or at workshops,  training exercises in the military) yet basic things can rip me apart. And it leave me not knowing when I am going to get up infant of a crowd if I am going to be highly confident or crumble. I actually don’t know – because its so inconsistent.

    I didn’t expect to write that much –> But feels good to get it out and have other people give their thoughts.

     

    #152640
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Troy:

    I am thinking that you may suffer from Self Help Overload Syndrome (SHOS, I just made up the term and acronym). You listened  to self-help audiobooks when you were walking, driving, gardening, brushing your teeth… “any time I can multi-task I would listen to self-development audiobooks.”

    You wrote that you are ambitious. And “toward the end of high school I started reading self help books which their extremely big claims like ‘you can be anything’ ‘you can do anything’ ‘always be confident’ ‘if you do this you can xyz'”

    These self-help books principles work in contexts, not in others. For example, “you can do anything” – not in all contexts, better not try to defy gravity- you can’t do that! . “Always be confident” confident- in the context of a sales job, showing confidence in the product, yes, but in a close relationship, appearing vulnerable when you feel vulnerable is appropriate and fosters intimacy.

    I am thinking that you feel uncomfortable in those contexts where the Self Help books principles do not work.

    anita

    #152878
    Troy
    Participant

    Anita:

    Thank you for your response!

    I too think that I am suffering from SHOS.

    Thank you for helping me to reflect and explore this issue I am having.

    Much Appreciated

    Troy

    #152934
    Anonymous
    Guest

    You are welcome, Troy. Post anytime.

    anita

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