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June 22, 2015 at 4:14 am #78618LibbyParticipant
I will try to keep this short. Ok, I am 35, married and have 3 children. 3 years ago my brother became violent and paranoid due to mental health issues he had. He caused alot of people fear and pain. One time he hit my husband infront of our children, then came to us begging for forgiveness, only to a year chase me into a police station where I ran for help and he tried to do the same to me. He was arrested, cautioned and he has stayed away from me since. Since that day I won’t let him back in our lives and my family really resent me for it. I have struggled to have a relationship with my mum since, it’s been very hot and cold from her. My sister took my brothers ‘side’ and made my life a misery the 2 years after what he did. She resented me for not forgiving him, for not letting him back into my life and she thinks I broke up the family by staying away from him. She said he was ill and I should have let him back into my life. I tried to explain to my family that I did let him back in after he hurt my husband and frightened my children, a year later he tried to do it again. Since that day I suffered anxiety, ocd and agoraphobia. I struggled to leave my home for a year, it was tough. It robbed me of my life and I had no support from my family. My mum didn’t want to know that I was unwell, my sisters made fun of my condition, it was a hellish time for me. My friends told me I did the right thing. My own Father, Gran and Aunties told me I did the right thing, they cut them out too as they said the abuse and drama was just too much. They have told me since I walked away things have been tough for me but I am now a happier person so I know I did the right thing.
I am now in a good place, my anxiety is still there but more manageable and life has been good. I don’t miss my family, I have moved on and put it all behind me. My sister gets married in August and my mum this year has put alot of pressure on me to forgive and forget my sister hurt me and to come to the wedding. Now my sister caused me alot of pain. She has always been a very difficult, and hot headed person that even abused our mother in the past, physically. She made my life difficult and caused me many panic attacks. She would message me abuse saying I had to forgive my brother and let him in my life or she would make sure I had no family…. it was just awful. Last year I completely blocked her from my life and since then my anxiety has reduced significantly and I am happier than ever. It’s strange that these bad things happened, and I was unwell but now i feel I am a much better and happier person. Until last week I was strong, stood my ground with my mothers demands that I came to my sisters wedding, but then last week my mum cut me off. She said my sister would never apologise even though she did do wrong by me. She said I just had to accept that and forget it all and come to the wedding. I said I didn’t feel the need to go to my sisters wedding, after years of hurt and abusive messages I really don’t want to go, nor do my family. My mum has always said she wouldn’t take sides, she promised to stay neutral and recently she had asked me to let her back into my life and this year we had started to rebuild our relationship. The problem is my sister is very controlling of my mum, my mum sees her 7 days a week and her children. My sister has told my mum to stay away from me and my mum is now doing as she says. She has cut me off because I won’t just sweep what my sister did under the carpet. She says ‘hell will freeze over before she apologises to you’. I said that’s fine, I don’t need an apology. If she is upset I’m not going to the wedding then I am sorry but I can’t change that, she could have by now apologised to me and changed her behavior but she hasn’t and I have to protect myself. When I was unwell my children had to do without holidays, we never really went out at the weekends and they saw their mum a nervous wreck. I won’t risk myself ever being like that again, my childrens happiness and my own has to come first. My husband backs me up 100%, he said my family were toxic, as did my GP. My GP said my anxiety stems from my family and the way they are so abusive and aggressive, but they have always been that way so I guess I thought it was normal, until what happened a few years ago and I realised you don’t have to put up with this, you have a life to live. I woke up and since then I am quite spiritual, I practice yoga, I became a vegetarian… I am so happy now. I truly am.
So the main reason I posted is, why am I suddenly feeling so weak and hurt? I fear I will have an anxiety relapse because of my mum cutting me and my children out of her life. I am shocked she has done this. I am disappointed and I guess angry with her and I don’t like feeling like this. I am so hurt she cut me out just like that, we didn’t even have a cross word. She just can’t accept that I won’t forget what my sister did and come to the wedding. She has blocked out her grandchildren, she hasn’t once tried to call or see them, she hasn’t seen them in 4 weeks. It hurts and my anxiety is rife because of it. I have tried to just accept it and think well if my mum feels this is what she has to do then I accept it but I can’t. I spend every day upset she hasn’t called, upset she has cut our my children. It hurts she has cut me out, yet she has never stopped speaking to my brother and sister who caused all of this. That is what hurts the most i think.
I have been reading The Untethered Soul which has helped a little about not closing up, keeping open and letting this pass but does anyone have any other advice or books they’d recommend to deal with this pain and hurt?
I am so sorry this got long. It’s quite a lengthly story so I do apologise.
Thank you if you got this far.
J
June 22, 2015 at 7:45 am #78621AnonymousGuestDear J:
It is my understanding that having contact with your family of origin caused and causes you much distress and sickness, and that having no contact with most has lead you to be happier and healthier state of mind and body. That’s a no brainer, as well as staying away from your brother who threatened you with phyhsical harm, inflicted physical harm on your husband and on your children who witnessed the violence. No brainer there too.Regarding your mother, you stated: “I have struggled to have a relationship with my mum since, it’s been very hot and cold from her.” You are describing a manipulative woman who threatens you with rejection if you do not do what she says. She treatens you with no contact with her if you don’t do as she says, which is to harm yourself and your family of choice.
I would say- take her on her offer and make sure the no contact stays in place so you don’t have to go through her “hot and cold” treatment again and concentrate on your family of choice.
Regarding the hurt you feel by your mother’s threat of no contact and the fact that you feel it is unfair she stays in contact with your other siblings, examine, if you will, the hurt and fear feelings you are having about it. It is so very natural for a child to cling to his/ her mother. Animals do it. Humans do. It is encoded in our genes through so many years of evolution. Separation from one’s mother naturally causes fear. The hurt is there because you figure her cutting contact means something that is does not.
Even though you are 35 and a mother yourself, part of you is still that small child looking up to her mother for protection, for love. Without her love you feel alone, unprotected, afraid.
If you agree, talk to yourself again and again, telling yourself that you are SAFE, that contact with her does not mean safety (the opposite in reality!) Calm down your “inner child” – the child part of you. Ask your husband who supports you for a hug, get your need for safety met with him.
As far as being hurt, it is hurtful to be rejected by someone you esteem. When you value her enough to be hurt by her cutting contact with her, ask, if you will, WHO it is that you value? Who is that woman you value so much, really?
anitaJune 22, 2015 at 12:13 pm #78648pink24ParticipantHey Libby,
Ughhh, what a nightmare. Sometimes family can be the worst–nobody ever says that, but it’s true. I’ve been through a very similar situation where I had to cut out toxic family members, it’s not easy. But here’s the thing: I’m not sure you ever really get over times of hurt. But they do become less and less as time goes on. I’m sure your mother’s words triggered the past, and all of that past hurt. Remember tho, those are her words, not yours. And she has her own issues to even think dropping you from her life is ok. (Also, that’s what abusive people do–when all else fails, they threaten. Don’t take it too much too heart, as hard as it is. It’s a tactic, not a promise)
I wouldn’t be so hard on yourself. Accept that hurt will arise from time to time, and know the triggers. Nurture yourself. Feed your soul. Be grateful that you knew enough to take the necessary steps to ensure your happiness and that of your family. That’s no easy feat. If I were you, I would keep telling myself this over and over again.
This too shall pass.
Take care,
PinkJune 22, 2015 at 1:09 pm #78673MattParticipantJ,
In addition to the other kindly aimed words, consider that you’re making their actions all about you. As you’ve been away from their toxic qualities, consider how happiness has opened up, and a feeling of freedom has been felt. Without that freedom, such as when agoraphobic and anxious, your actions become much more lashy and in survival mode. Right?
So consider how brother and sister and mother all act out in various unskilled ways. These have little to nothing to do with you, and stem from their anxieties and agorophobic tendencies (or whatever form their suffering takes on.) Its not about you. It’s just them, doing what they do, trying to make everything the way they want it to be. You don’t owe them anything, such as going to the wedding, or letting the brother punch you. Your side is continuing to take the good actions in protecting your tenderness from their abusive qualities.
Said differently, perhaps issue one: your birth family are telling you things about yourself that aren’t true, and you’re grabbing onto their words and stabbing yourself with them. Perhaps issue two: your mother and brother and sister are stressed and self absorbed, and you don’t want them to be, so you grab onto their actions that don’t coincide with how you want them to be, and in your brain, stab at them.
The mantra or prayer that could help break apart this habit of yours is “Whatever the causes or conditions for your various behaviors, I choose to set down, abandon, forgive and move on.”
Finally, consider that cutting contact with toxic people is not selfish, it follows the saying “do no harm”. Consider for instance, when your brother hit your husband, your brother’s fist and mind were also harmed. Not just you, husband, and kids. By putting distance, you prevent him from harming himself, too. Same with sis. Her bitter words hurt her. Same with mom.
With warmth,
MattJune 23, 2015 at 3:05 am #78700LibbyParticipantAnita
Thank you so much for your reply, it was just perfect and made me realise everything I have done has been the right thing to do.
I cut my brother out of my life almost 3 years ago now, I won’t allow him back into my life. I have to do what’s right for me and my children. My family comes first. When I was unwell my children had to witness their mum unable to go out of the home, we couldn’t go on holidays, days out… and I beat myself up for that. Thankfully my children are the most beautiful and understanding children I know. When I started going out again they high fived me, they spurred me on to keep going and overcoming my anxiety. My husband and my children were my rocks and I won’t allow anyone to destroy me again so that I go back to being that unwell.
My sister, I cut her out last summer as I gave her chance after chance to stop being abusive to me, she can’t change, it’s who she is. Everyone around me says she has always been toxic and it’s in my interests to stay well away. Even my GP has said my family are toxic and I am a new person since walking away from them. I had crippling anxiety most of my life to be honest, but in the last couple of years after my brother and sisters physical and mental abuse that was when it got severe. Now I am like a new person, it’s amazing. I feel free, I don’t feel I am waiting for something bad to happen, I don’t live on the edge of my seat afraid.
With my mum yes I have tried to let her back in, and she had been much better with me but this time she has cut me out, she won’t even call to speak to her grandchildren. I agree with what you have said, she is trying to manipulate me. She thinks by staying away from me, cutting me out for no real reason, I will come running and give in to her demands to speak to my siblings again and attend my sisters wedding. She has a total disregard for my feelings and what I went through.
My mum has caused me so much pain in my life and I have always forgiven her because yes, she is my mum. One thing I have realised these last few years is you don’t have to keep forgiving and putting up with people hurting you just because of DNA binding you together. My family made me believe you have to, but what you allow will continue and I have taken a stand and I won’t allow it any longer.
One thing you said that struck a cord in me is that really what am I missing? yes she is my mum, but in the last 3 years where has she been? she hasn’t supported me, she hasn’t behaved as though she loves me, she only visits to see the children and I feel unloved. So why am I this upset about her cutting contact with me? It’s just because she is my mum and my childrens grandmother and I feel sad for them. It is them I am upset for because I had the most wonderful grandmother (my mums mum) and she passed away 3 years ago just before I cut my family out. She was the most amazing person, she was like my mum and I am still not accepting she has gone very well. It’s her birthday tomorrow and I wish she was here so I could spend some time with her. I don’t feel like that about my own mum, if anything I resent my mum for the way she has treated me. I don’t need those negative feelings in my life. My mum stopped calling her own mum, she never visit her and my Nan would call me crying that her own daughter made no effort. My mum is a very ‘chase me’ type person, if you don’t go to her she sulks. She is a difficult person. My mum hurt me alot in the past and I forgave her, so it does hurt she is cutting me out after me giving her another chance at our relationship. She offers me nothing but hurt, resentment, fear…. so why am I upset. If I carry on allowing this it will continue so I am not going to call her, I won’t chase her, she is trying to manipulate me again and I won’t have it. I deserve to be happy and I know i will without my mum around, if cutting our my siblings improved my life dramatically then maybe it’s just my mum left dragging me down.
My mum sees no wrong in being with my manipulative sister, my sister controls my mums every waking hour. My auntie said to me, as long as your sister is around you won’t have your mum in your life, she controls her to much and your mum likes it. My mum brings my sisters children up like her own and my mum loves to feel needed. All I have ever wanted from my mum is her time, not to babysit, or clean my home, or help me bring my children up….. just her time. Obviously that isn’t enough.
Thank you for your reply, it’s really helped me.
Thank you
J Libby
June 23, 2015 at 3:08 am #78701LibbyParticipantThank you Matt
Wise words, thank you.
Yes my family all have deep issues. By cutting them out I am stopping them harming me, my family and causing further resentment.
What you allow will continue, as they say.
I don’t feel sorry for any of them, they have brought all of this on themselves but I do understand that they all have issues, my brother has serious mental health problems and he acts this way because of this and I hope by me walking away from him he learnt a valuable lesson.
Thank you.
J Lib
June 23, 2015 at 3:11 am #78703LibbyParticipantPink
Thank you for your lovely words.
I totally agree, mum tried shouting at me, demanding, telling me lies that my sister was sorry when infact she wasn’t…. so her last tactic is to cut me out hoping I will come running. It won’t work with me now and I feel very sad that my mum feels she has to do this but it also says alot about how much I mean to her.
At the end of the day they will regret doing this, as they will have missed my children growing up, they will have missed seeing me and my husband, we were the heart of the family. We held all the parties, BBQs, Christmas…. Now we centre our life around us, and our beautiful family. My circle may have got smaller, I may haves less people in my life but for sure it’s quality over quantity.
Thank you.
J Lib
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