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March 6, 2019 at 7:00 am #283269HellaParticipant
Anita,
Thank you.
Well.. I could and can sometimes tell that he’s slightly embarrassed when he sees me and/or doesn’t know how to act. He gets uncomfortable when he sees that I’m really uncomfortable seeing him. The last time we saw each other I was pretty clear with the fact that I think he’s been acting terribly, and really explaining that I’m the one avoiding our common social events, not him. This time, he also (quite quickly) acknowledged that I wasn’t at this common friend’s birthday party, and that he thought I was going to because he saw that I had clicked attend at the (Facebook) event. I mean, who knows what that really means, I honestly just think he’s looking out for himself. He might have some guilt but not enough to ever admit it. I don’t know.
- This reply was modified 5 years, 8 months ago by Hella.
March 6, 2019 at 7:29 am #283275AnonymousGuestDear Hella:
If only we could read another person’s thoughts and feelings. I don’t know though if it would have been a good idea to do that, but we can’t, so it’s a mute idea. We can guess, look for evidence, hypothesize based on evidence, check our hypothesis, go the scientific way about it.
His words meant that he did pay attention and noticed that you clicked the attend on Facebook, and that he expected you to be at the party and that he noticed you weren’t there. His body language, according to your sharing above, indicates him feeling some distress while interacting with you at the club. I suppose he is aware enough that you have a problem with him.
Is that a drawing of his face, above your username?
anita
March 6, 2019 at 7:38 am #283281HellaParticipantAnita,
No, it would be possibly terrifying to know everything others are thinking.. so best to let it rest. I mean, I don’t think I will get more validation or explanations from him. I think he knows what he did was sketchy and he’s too busy of thinking of how to cover his tracks, so I don’t really want to hear/probe anymore. I just know that he is not someone I should or should have ever trusted. The hardest part is still having feelings of missing someone like that, because I don’t want to have someone in my life that I don’t trust. So mostly it’s just frustrating to carry around these highly conflicting feelings.
Oh, no, it is not a picture of him, I don’t even know how that picture showed up, it’s a silly drawing of Mick Jagger from about 10 years ago 😀
March 6, 2019 at 8:02 am #283285AnonymousGuestDear Hella:
Your drawing then? Quite skillful, I think.
It is tough to be conflicted. I lived conflicted for the longest time and it was very distressing, day after day, year after year. I think that if you saw him the way he is, you wouldn’t be conflicted. It is when we insert our own hopes and expectations into a person and those hopes and expectations stay there, attached to that person, that we get and remain confused, or conflicted.
anita
March 6, 2019 at 8:12 am #283289HellaParticipantAnita,
Thanks 🙂
I think you are absolutely right that we project hopes and dreams onto a person, and that keeps us conflicted. But with him I really don’t know what to think, I guess it would be fairly simple to put him in a category of “asshole” or “douche”, and while he is, that’s not all he is. So I just feel confused, and I almost want to have a safe category for him, i.e “douche”. I don’t know if that makes sense, but it would help settle the confusion maybe. At the same time he’s the only person I ever had such strong feelings of attachment to, not saying it’s the last but I think that’s what makes it hard to let go.
March 6, 2019 at 10:37 am #283347HellaParticipantAnita,
That is a very accurate description of the dichotomy. I guess wanting to believe that even though there are different sides to him, ultimately he’s good. But does that mean that because he’s a man, not a boy, that he’s beyond being good?
March 6, 2019 at 11:26 am #283361AnonymousGuestDear Hella:
“does that mean that because he’s a man, not a boy, that he’s beyond being good?”-
I know that none of us adults, not since being older children or teenager, are as honest, transparent, trusting, and as loving as young children are. Young children are 100% honest, 100% loving and 100% trusting (the latter brings a whole lot of pain too soon in life)-
but when you wrote “good”, what do you mean by good?
anita
March 6, 2019 at 11:34 am #283363HellaParticipantAnita,
I don’t know, I just think he should have been and should still be held to a higher standard than just “not terrible”. It just seems totally unfair that with the help of a passive group of people he, as a grown man, could cause a lot of harm. Just because he didn’t do anything illegal doesn’t mean that he didn’t give me and others emotional and psychological issues. It puts me off from dating.
March 6, 2019 at 11:43 am #283369AnonymousGuestDear Hella:
You wrote that he “should still be held to a higher standard”- by whom?
anita
March 6, 2019 at 11:48 am #283371HellaParticipantAnita,
By society, friends circle and people who date him.
March 6, 2019 at 11:55 am #283375JayJayParticipantHi Hella,
I don’t know if recounting a similar situation might help, but here goes.
My boyfriend left me for my best friend. I don’t know if you could actually call him a boyfriend – we hadn’t slept together, but had been gradually becoming closer. We moved in the same circles, we both went to the same kind of social events (it’s how we met) so we also had the same friends. We went out for meals, walks, and spent time together on our own, but we were both taking it slowly. I had hopes that we would eventually have a full relationship, and I felt this would happen when we were both ready.
And then, without any warning, he went off with my so-called best friend 2.5 years ago, and I never heard from him again until recently. I had ‘invested’, if you like to call it that, 12 months of my time with this guy, first a friendship for around 3 months, then a little more than that, then a little more. Taking time over getting to know each other as friends first, before any larger commitment.
It hurt like hell at first. The dialogue that went on inside my head was never ending. I didn’t sleep for a week from the shock, then afterwards it took a long time, over a year, to let it go. I avoided the places we used to go together, even though there were other friends there that would have been glad to see me, I never wanted to bump into him or the former best friend ever again. So for a while there I was very isolated and pretty lonely.
I found an article ‘Forty Ways to To Let Go and Feel Less Pain’ and it was on the Tiny Buddha website somewhere here. I followed quite a number those 40 ways and found them very useful.
If what you’re going through is the same as I did, your brain, without any help from you, constantly revisits the past and tries to make sense of it. Of course, there is no sense to it, you don’t have the answers – so on it goes. Then it starts up with ‘what you are going to do next’, how you are going to handle any situation that you think might arise, and so trying to foretell the future.
Of course, the past has been and gone, it’s history. The future hasn’t arrived yet, so you can’t do anything about that either. So all you are left with is the present, which feels pretty empty, so your mind constantly tries to hang onto the past, and the happiness you think you had and which was stolen away from you, or envisage the future, what you will do or say if you ever meet up again – none of which you can do anything about right now. But still it goes on and on inside your mind, constantly taking your other thoughts over.
I don’t know what it’s called, but I think it has something to do with thoughts turning into an obsession which haunts you day and night.
Until you finally realise that you are allowing this to happen. You are giving your brain permission to carry on just the way it has been doing… and so the torture continues.
Occasionally you take a step backwards and wallow a bit. Feel sorry for yourself, feel guilty, feel angry, feel bitter. But eventually you have to move forwards. One step at a time, one less thought at a time.
I put a hairband around my wrist and ‘snapped’ it against my skin when I realised I had once more returned to the subject in my thoughts. I told myself, out aloud if there was no-one around – “OK. I hear you, brain. That’s enough on that particular subject for today, thank you.” “I cannot and I will not allow myself to think about that again today.”
Sometimes it didn’t work, but most of the time it did. Gradually the thoughts and emotions associated with the betrayal might be in my thoughts, but only in passing. Eventually I ceased to think on them at all. I built a new reality for me, and it didn’t include those two people or any thoughts about them either.
I don’t know if this will help you, but I hope you eventually succeed in simply shrugging when you think of him, and saying to yourself, That’s History. It’s in the Past now.
And eventually when you bump into him, you will simply say, Hi!… quickly followed by Bye!…. and turn away and talk to someone else. If you visualise yourself doing this, it will be easy to do just that one day.
Here’s that article I mentioned.. it helped me, and might help you too.
With best wishes
Jay x
- This reply was modified 5 years, 8 months ago by JayJay.
March 6, 2019 at 11:56 am #283377AnonymousGuestDear Hella:
The police holds society accountable to higher standards of behavior by issuing citations for speeding and arresting people on suspicion of a variety of crimes. The government holds society accountable to the standard of paying taxes using the courts. In some religions, members of a particular church report other members’ behaviors to the religious leaders.
I suppose in the context of the friend group you would have liked it if the members of the group monitored each other, confront the man we are discussing with his behavior and tell him how he should behave?
anita
March 6, 2019 at 12:03 pm #283383HellaParticipantAnita,
Yes, especially since there is this high ambition to create inclusive, progressive ideals in this part of the city. I just thought and still think it’s hypocritical beyond belief that a man can get away with hurting so many people (I wasn’t the only one he treated poorly), act like the typical player and then end up levelling up from it. Does that make sense? It’s classical patriarchal standards that are helping him on the way, reinforced by people who know him, and I refused to be fine with that.
March 6, 2019 at 12:13 pm #283389AnonymousGuestDear Hella:
I need to be away from the computer for a while but would very much like to continue communicating with you, there is too much that I don’t understand and would like to understand. Maybe, just maybe if I understand more, I will be able to offer you some input of value to you.
If you have the time and you want to, can you list for me the wrong behaviors of this man, short, simple sentences, specifying his wrong doings?
As well as listing the “progressive ideals in this part of the city” that he and the friend group pretend to promote, as in talking about but not walking their talk?
I will be back to the computer in a few hours, seventeen hours from now at the most.
anita
March 6, 2019 at 12:17 pm #283393HellaParticipantAnita,
I also need to be away, I can continue tomorrow. I will make a list 😉
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