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June 19, 2021 at 7:23 am #381694TeeParticipant
Dear Ashmitha,
I agree with anita – it’s my impression too that this guy is manipulating you consciously. If he really wanted it to work, he would introduce you to his family, even if it’s a “big thing” to be introduced. After all, you’ve been dating for more than a year, he says he means it seriously, he’s telling you things like “when we get married, when he have children…”, so what’s the problem? The only explanation is that he’s lying that he means it seriously.
I invited him to meet my friends next month but he said “don’t be mad, my sister’s birthday party is then.” I said I wasn’t mad and he told me to stop lying and that I can voice my opinion….
Now I see it’s his strategy – he is so “kind” and “understanding” that he “encourages” you to voice your opinion. He’s not some rude guy who tells you to shut up or gets angry and quarrels with you. No, he allows you to express your concerns, listens to you calmly, tells you “it’s a good question” – and this probably makes you feel heard and understood. But in reality, it has no value, since he doesn’t change his behavior, it all stays the same. So your opinion is heard but disregarded. And he probably uses it as a manipulation strategy, because someone who is emotionally immature wouldn’t be so smooth like him. Would be much less refined than him. Unfortunately, this guy sounds like a “smooth operator”, and yeah, a wolf in sheep’s clothing…
June 19, 2021 at 12:46 pm #381699AshmithaParticipantHi Teak and Anita, thank you both for your insightful replies. Very eye-opening.
You’re right Teak, I am basically settling for affection once a week. He did say it is his first long-term relationship but that sounds like a lame excuse to me. My friend’s relationships seem so nice. They go on trips together, share each other on social media, go on nice dates and spend A LOT of time together. I agree, he wants “this” to continue. That probably is why he always wants to stay together. If we broke up, I would not be interested in dating again for a long time. I’m quite exhausted of investing in relationships and being disappointed. I think it would take a lot for me to date someone again soon. But I do know I want to be with someone in the future. What do you suggest I do with him?
I agree Anita. He wants to make this casual relationship work, not a serious relationship. We are 25 years old, not 16. I think he uses words to make me stay. Even if his family demands his time, if he wanted to prioritize me he would. And at the end of the day, I am not content with a relationship staying like this. It’s hard to read him. I know he’s intelligent but he acts oblivious with relationships, or he just doesn’t care about me. I don’t see why that would change in marriage. Should I just end it?
June 19, 2021 at 3:12 pm #381705AnonymousGuestDear Ashmitha:
Before I try to answer your question, I need to ask you: do you agree or disagree with my suggestion that (1) he knows that you are interested in marriage, (2) he has no intention to marry you, (3) to keep you in a casual relationship with him, on his terms, when, where and how he wants it- he’s been dishonest with you, a wolf in sheep clothing?
anita
June 19, 2021 at 3:18 pm #381706AshmithaParticipant1) yes 2) I’m not sure about this 3) it does seem like it
June 19, 2021 at 3:37 pm #381712AnonymousGuestDear Ashmitha:
My answer to “Should I just end it?” is: Yes, because I believe, and you seem to agree, that he is dishonest with you, a wolf in sheep clothing.
I don’t think (although I can’t be 100% sure) that he has any real intention to marry you because he did not introduce you to any of his family or friends, and he did not share about you on social media, and because for all practical purposes, the relationship has been casual and he hasn’t yet invested anything of substance in you: not his time, not his money, not public acknowledgement.. nothing!
But even if he had the intention to marry you, it is not a good idea for a sheep (an honest woman such as yourself) to marry a wolf!
anita
June 19, 2021 at 4:10 pm #381725AshmithaParticipantThank you for your help. We both decided to end it. He said he was not ready for a serious relationship and lacked the maturity. He also said it wasn’t fair that he was dragging me along while he was learning to prioritize. He said it was wrong and was sorry for treating me like this. I feel at peace. I hope this feeling lasts.
June 19, 2021 at 4:34 pm #381743AnonymousGuestDear Ashmitha:
You are welcome.
“He said he was not ready for a serious relationship”- now you can be sure about #2 (he had no intention of marrying you).
I hope your feeling of peace lasts. You can post here anytime, no matter what you feel and I, for one, will be glad to read and reply to you every time you post.
anita
June 20, 2021 at 12:38 am #381768TeeParticipantDear Ashmitha,
good decision! Interesting how he’s now suddenly admitted that he doesn’t want a serious relationship, and earlier he got “hurt” when you asked him if he was stringing you along. It seems to me he has been manipulative all along, but when he couldn’t fool you any more, when you demanded better treatment, he realized there’s no point and swiftly accepted the breakup.
Anyway, you’re much better without him! I am glad you felt peace after the breakup. It confirms it was a good decision… If you start feeling fear and anxiety rising now that you’re single, try to tend to your inner child and comfort her, telling her she’s not alone. And post again whenever you feel the need!
June 20, 2021 at 8:40 am #381770AnonymousGuestDear Ashmitha:
I hope that you are still feeling peaceful and I know that feelings naturally change. I would like you to be okay with the changing of feelings.
This morning I re-read the majority of your posts since January this year, trying to understand why and how the highly intelligent and educated young woman that you are (“I really loved school. I was consistently at the top of my class, won several awards.. I am confident in my academics.. professors and employers describe me as intellectual and advanced for my level”), (1) misjudged this guy to be “a really nice guy.. a kind-hearted person..100%.. a good person.. a respectful, calm and understanding person”, not seeing through his words and behavior that he only appears nice and good, etc. I want to understand why you did not separate appearance from substance, and (2) why you accepted such a very inferior quality of a relationship.
Please read the following only if you feel calm enough and stop at any time you feel distressed. You have no obligation to read or to reply to me. My goal is to encourage you to use your experience as a learning opportunity so that you are better able to make better choices in the future.
Yesterday, June 19 2021, this guy (I’ll refer to him here as G) told you that “he was not ready for a serious relationship” and the relationship ended. It started in late 2019 between yourself, a busy graduate student pursing your Master’s degree in Health Sciences, and G, “a really nice guy” who works from home, “only busy at the end of the month… has a lot of free time”, an eldest son in his family (a position of responsibility) who is “very close with his family”. Both are 25 years old at this time.
About the very inferior quality of the relationship, considering your expressed intent has been marriage and children: “we only meet in person once a week.. We don’t go out on the weekends, only on the weekdays after work. He sees friends and family on the weekends. We mostly just go out to eat, talk and then are intimate… He hasn’t told his sisters and cousins that he is in a relationship. I think they think he is just seeing me. He doesn’t show me on social media either. Sometimes I feel like he’s ‘hiding’ our relationship… I haven’t met his friends… We don’t take pictures together. We have a few from one nice date. That’s it…we didn’t go on real dates.. we haven’t met each other’s friends”,
“When we’re together, he can be glued to his phone at times, yet when I text him, he can take hours to reply, even though he’s online…he texts his friends and family a lot.. he is actively online for hours and ignores my message…We usually go most days with me receiving 1-3 texts from him, although he is online a lot… He is online a lot during the evening after his work hours, so he is likely talking to friends/ family…I would like having calls daily with my boyfriend. I’ve brought it up before but he says he doesn’t really like talking on the phone”.
Some of his dishonesty (it makes me too angry to detail all of it): “He.. says he considers us to have a stable relationship… When I told him I didn’t feel like we were close friends, he was surprised and said he did consider me one of his closest friends…I don’t think he is using me. I brought that up and he seemed hurt that I thought he was stringing me along”- the lies: he did not consider the relationship stable except in the context of a once a week sexual get-together (“He is still very much sexually attracted to me… We mostly just go out to eat, talk and then are intimate”), and he did not consider you a close friend. He feigned surprise and hurt so to arm his lies with convincing emotion.
Your misunderstanding of him this month, June 2021: “I don’t think he is using me. I brought that up and he seemed hurt that I thought he was stringing me along. I think this is just how he views relationships?”- you easily abandoned your correct understanding (based on his behavior for over a year) because he feigned hurt (based on his emotional expression for a few moments).
Still, this June: “I invited him to meet my friends next month but he said ‘don’t be mad, my sister’s birthday party is then.’ I said I wasn’t mad and he told me to stop lying and that I can voice my opinion…. Except that I wasn’t actually mad. I feel like he thinks he’s walking on eggshells with me?”-
– you brought up to him a reasonable request: to arrange a meeting between him (the man you wanted to marry, the man who told you that he is interested in the same) and your friends, for the first time in over a year. What he did in response was to deny your request, hiding it in an accusation that you are angry and a liar (“don’t be mad… stop lying”). You got distracted by his accusation and neglected to see what really happened here: he refused once again to publicly acknowledge a relationship with you, showing.. once again, that his intent was nothing more than a once a week sexual get-together.
Still in June: “I know he’s intelligent but he acts oblivious with relationships, or he just doesn’t care about me. I don’t see why that would change in marriage. Should I just end it?”- you were still thinking at that point that marriage with him was a possibility, not realizing that you have been the oblivious one all along, not him. His behavior over the whole course of the relationship (or better term it get-togethers) revealed not oblivion on his part, but purpose and intention: to have nothing more than a casual, once a week get-together.
You expected so little of him: “We live far apart and he drives up to 1 hour to see me without ever complaining almost every time we hang out, which I appreciate”- why did you appreciate so much a man for driving for over an hour to have sex with a woman? Why should a man complain for driving to have sex with a woman???
“He always tries to pay for me when we go out (I don’t always let him), but it is a nice gesture”- he offered to feed the woman he was about to have sex with before (or after) sex. That was his investment in you, the most you were going to get from him.
“When I bring up complaints, he just listens and never raises his voice at me. He acknowledges his mistakes. I appreciate his calmness because I’m used to seeing men around me with anger issues”- G is very different from your father in that he never raised his voice (and why should he when he gets what he wants with an unraised voice..?), but he is purposefully dishonest: he didn’t really acknowledge his mistakes, because if he did, he would have changed his behavior!
You may have noticed my anger in my writings, and it is true: I am angry. It is unfair for a woman to be used this way! But thing is, I imagine that you don’t really believe, still, that he used you. You prefer to think of him as oblivious and immature. Question again, is why an intelligent and educated woman such as yourself will not clearly see what is so evident?
Unless you post next that you would rather I don’t try to answer this question, I will post again in a few hours, after I try to come up with my best shot at an answer.
anita
June 20, 2021 at 10:11 am #381776AshmithaParticipantHi Teak and Anita,
Teak, I also found it interesting how he suddenly accepted the breakup when I told him he wasn’t meeting my needs after I expressed them several times, and that I was starting to resent him for it. Once I called him out for his behaviour, he left. Thanks for the advice on soothing my inner child; when I cry, I hug myself and try to soothe myself which helps. I think of the little girl inside me when I do this and it helps me want to protect her.
Anita, I appreciate your investment in understanding my situation and making me a better person. You are a good person. I question too, why I fall for inferior men. I am a highly analytical person and I can read people around me quite well, but with relationships I feel I trust that they are good people and care for me, too easily.
I agree, I recall feeling unsure of our relationship and like my needs weren’t being met since December of 2019. There was a lot of hot and cold behaviour. I dismissed it because of his aunt’s passing in December, whom he was very close to. I think the real reason was he was too immature for a relationship or I am not the one he wants that with. One interesting thing I noticed is that we broke up in April of 2020 because “he was not ready for a relationship.” Now in June of 2021, we are breaking up for the same reason. Does this mean he was never ready but asked me to be his girlfriend in June of 2020 anyway? This is problematic to me and suggests deception. It does seem like he wanted a casual relationship that involved sex for minimal effort.
It’s funny because in my last relationship, my emotional needs were very much met and I felt like I learned how a healthy relationship should be (it wasn’t perfect but it was nice). He wanted to meet my friends and did so often. My friends commented on how nice our relationship seemed; he took me on adventurous dates, posted me on social media and told his family about me. Yet, I reverted and settled for this type of treatment which I have received in the past. I’m not sure what my problem is- do I choose wrong men? Am I not ready for a relationship myself? Is there even a man that will love me genuinely whom I can be happy with..
The thought of dating again does not seem appealing to me at all now. I feel no urge to be in a relationship. I think this is good because I am finally starting to be okay with being alone. In my past, I always rushed into new relationships after breakups, a few months later. I think a new relationship helped me get over the last one because I didn’t have to deal with the sadness. I think I’m starting not to trust men as easily now, which is good and stops me from being naive.
To answer your question, I think I deny it because I can’t accept the thought of being tricked like that. I consider myself an intelligent person so the idea of a man “playing” me is hard to accept. Maybe it is an ego thing? I can’t see him as an evil person. Or accept that I let myself be so vulnerable with a person like that? I do believe what he did was wrong. When I put myself in his shoes, it is easier to see how he dismissed my feelings. I’m curious to hear what you think.
I’m also curious if you have advice on selecting a partner. I think my selection process is wrong. I get interest from men but I don’t think I choose the right ones or I prioritize the wrong things when choosing. Talk soon.
June 20, 2021 at 10:27 am #381777AnonymousGuestDear Ashmitha:
The answer to my question occurred to me earlier, with hardly any thinking. But I don’t have the time to go into it now. I read just a bit of your recent post. You wrote there: “I can’t see him as an evil person”- referring to G.
My answer is in this same sentence, only “him” will in reference to another man. Can you think who that might be?
(Looks like I will be away from the computer for about 8 hours).
anita
June 20, 2021 at 10:33 am #381778AshmithaParticipantHi Anita,
My father. Wow. Please expand when you have time. I think you are most definitely onto something. Take care.
June 20, 2021 at 6:42 pm #381786AnonymousGuestDear Ashmitha:
That’s who I had in mind. I will expand tomorrow morning, which is in about 12 hours from now. Thank you and take care yourself!
anita
June 21, 2021 at 8:35 am #381802AnonymousGuestDear Ashmitha:
Yesterday, June 20 2021, you wrote: “I think I’m starting not to trust men as easily now, which is good… I’m curious to hear what you think”-
– I think that the big picture is complex, here it is as I see it today:
(1) About Trust: I don’t believe it to be true that as a young woman, you ever trusted men easily, in the context of a romantic relationship. The truth is here: “I think I have a hard time fully trusting people and letting them in because I’m scared they will disappoint me, like my dad did. I’m sure it was confusing for me as a child to have a close relationship with someone (my dad) who showed me 2 very different personalities (drunk vs sober). I think I truly only trust myself” (April 21 2021).
(2) About Marriage: you want to get married only in theory. Emotionally: on one hand, you have a natural need for a romantic male companion, but on the other hand, you are afraid of being in a marriage because your experience with the first marriage you’ve known intimately was bad, and that marriage was your parents’: “I think the reason I’ve had several short-term relationships is because, subconsciously, I am looking for something ‘wrong’ as you said Anita. It probably does stem from my fear of having a marriage like my parents’. I have always wondered why my friends have been in 4 year relationships, and despite having problems, will always want to get back together, whereas I am fine with leaving a relationship if something isn’t working”, earlier 2021.
(3) About the Fear of getting married and being stuck in a bad marriage: this fear is powerful enough to motivate you to easily leave a relationship if something isn’t working (the quote above), to bring a promising relationship to an end so to avoid the danger of getting married, and to stay for a long time in a relationship that is not promising, so.. avoid the danger of getting married: “It’s funny because in my last relationship, my emotional needs were very much met and I felt like I learned how a healthy relationship should be… He wanted to meet my friends and did so often. My friends commented on how nice our relationship seemed; he took me on adventurous dates, posted me on social media and told his family about me. Yet, I reverted and settled for this type of treatment which I have received in the past. I’m not sure what my problem is- do I choose wrong men? Am I not ready for a relationship myself?”-
The problem is that you are too afraid of a relationship that will lead to marriage, so I would say Yes to your second question above: you are not ready for a serious relationship that will lead to marriage.
(4) About the Pattern: the peace you felt following the recent breakup is about feeling free from the distress you experienced during the very unsatisfactory relationship with G, and it is about feeling safe in being single- safe from the possibility of getting stuck in marriage: “I feel at peace… The thought of dating again does not seem appealing to me at all now. I feel no urge to be in a relationship. I think this is good because I am finally starting to be okay with being alone. In my past, I always rushed into new relationships after breakups, a few months later”.
“I do feel the pain of breakups and take a few months to grieve but it’s usually been about 3-6 months in between relationships, which seems kind of short. Getting into a new relationship does help me get over the previous one” (April 23)
According to the pattern you described above, after the initial peace, and after the pain of a breakup (because although you are quite detached, you still feel some safety in a boyfriend’s presence and therefore you get emotionally attached to him), you will again feel your natural need for a romantic male companionship, rush into a new relationship, and then, if the man is serious- you’ll drive the relationship to an end, and if the man is not serious, you will stay in the relationship for a long time.
(5) About being Deceived: on April 21 2021 you wrote the following about your now ex once-a-week-“go out to eat, talk and then are intimate”-boyfriend who used you, lied to you, and dishonestly manipulated you: “I 100% think he is a good person”.
Yesterday, you considered that maybe he is not a 100% good person, that maybe he indeed deceived you for at least 14 months: “One interesting thing I noticed is that we broke up in April of 2020 because ‘he was not ready for a relationship.’ Now in June of 2021, we are breaking up for the same reason. Does this mean he was never ready but asked me to be his girlfriend in June of 2020 anyway? This is problematic to me and suggests deception. It does seem like he wanted a casual relationship that involved sex for minimal effort”.
But still, on the same day, you doubted his deception by thinking of him as immature, like a child who is not responsible for his actions (and therefore cannot be deceptive): “I think the real reason was he was too immature for a relationship”.
You also wrote yesterday: “I am a highly analytical person and I can read people around me quite well, but with relationships I feel I trust that they are good people and care for me, too easily”-
– this inclination to close your eyes to G’s deception and to see him as a “100%.. good person” (a clearly untrue evaluation of him), is a result of your experience with your father:
“My dad and I are close as well and I still love him despite what he put us through. When he is sober, I enjoy being around him. But when he is drunk, I hate him (harsh, but it is how I feel in the moment). I try to blame his alcohol addiction instead of him because I would never not want to have a relationship with him. I would still do anything for him…He would threaten my mom a lot, and hold knives to scare her. This did not scare me lol. I would go to the kitchen, get my own knife, and stand up to him and ask him what his problem was. I just remember protecting my mom a lot as a child”-
– if as a child you walked with your mother in the street and a strange man pointed a knife at your mother, and she screamed, and somehow fought the man and he ran away, and then you and your mother returned home safely, you would be leaving the danger/ the bad man behind you, in the streets. You may be afraid to go out again but you would have the safety of home, protected by your parents.
But when the danger/ the bad man is your father who is living with you.. you don’t get the privilege of leaving the danger behind.
“I can’t see him as an evil person”, you wrote about G. I suggested to you yesterday that “him” may be another man, and asked you: “Can you think who that might be?”. Your answer: “My father. Wow. Please expand when you have time. I think you are most definitely onto something”-
– expanding: when the danger is at home, when the man with the knife is a child’s father, the child’s brain adjusts to living with danger: she emotionally detaches best she can, she closes her eyes to danger best she can, pretending it is not happening, or pretending it’s not that bad, and seeing her father not as a bad man, but as a good man who will never hurt anyone, a good man with a bad alcohol problem, etc.
The child cannot leave her dangerous home/ a bad parent, so she pretends best she can that her home is not dangerous and that her bad parent.. is a good parent. The child makes excuses for the bad parent, the child believes the parent’s lies if those lies are comforting.
The child deceives herself so to lower her fear.
You wrote about G earlier: “I don’t think he is using me. I brought that up and he seemed hurt that I thought he was stringing me along”- you easily abandoned the idea that he was using you because he seemed hurt. I imagine that whenever you saw hurt on your father’s face, you thought something like this: he cannot be a bad person because he is hurt.
A child thinks in a black and white way: a bad person never looks hurt, a bad person always has this evil smile (like in cartoons and some movies), so when the bad parent seems hurt, the child thinks: this is proof that he is a good person.
The child magnifies anything nice that her bad parent does so to feel safer with him. If he gives her a cookie, that’s proof that he is a good person, even if the parent hit the child harshly an hour later.
You wrote regarding G: “We live far apart and he drives up to 1 hour to see me without ever complaining almost every time we hang out, which I appreciate… He always tries to pay for me when we go out (I don’t always let him), but it is a nice gesture”- you magnified the little that he did so to feel better about him, giving him way more credit than he deserved for being willing to drive for up to an hour so to have sex.
“I’m also curious if you have advice on selecting a partner. I think my selection process is wrong. I get interest from men but I don’t think I choose the right ones or I prioritize the wrong things when choosing”- maybe you can answer this later, after taking your time to process my post and get back to me.
anita
June 21, 2021 at 6:45 pm #381837AshmithaParticipantHi Anita,
Thanks for your reply. Yes I am definitely afraid of marrying the wrong person. My last healthy relationship which I described that ended was because he did not want children and I did. I had to leave him in that scenario.
I found myself feeling so sad and crying all day yesterday. I was so anxious that I messaged him to talk but he said it was not a good idea. Yesterday was so painful and I did NOT expect that.
I had told him I was starting to resent him for ignoring my needs after I expressed them and he said we should break up if I resented him. It had me questioning if I was in the wrong or he was and I was second-guessing my word choice. Like maybe I was rushing him..He said he was doing it for my own good. I felt that insecure part of me after breakups come back.. I thought I had grown since then.
I am feeling better today, although I did feel bad in the morning. Do you have any tips for how I can feel better and truly move on? I think I was attached to him and that’s why this is hard. It’s like I went into that conversation being okay with the thought of a breakup but once it happened, it felt awful and I regretted everything.
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