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  • #238727
    Magdalene
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    Hey all,

    what a wonderful possibility to get in touch with a lot of thoughtful people in this forum. I am living abroad and do not have my close friends and family around, so I am happy to connect with your community online for advice.

    I have been seeing a colleague from my workplace (not a co worker I am in daily contact with, there is room for distance) before I went back to my home country over the summer. When I came back he had missed me so much that he suggested a committed relationship to me. I was delighted and agreed, even though I had not heard much from him over the summer. I knew he still was about to process a major breakup from a person he had almost gotten married to but after three attempts to rekindle this thing seemed as if it was destined to be over. So I had not wanted to pressure him and leave him space, furthermore I had (and still do not have) a final plan about on which continent I am spending the rest of my life. (hopefully many;)

    Unfortunately he seemed distant and sad very soon, but we were both extremely busy so that I did not get the chance to clearly figuring out where this was coming from. He had told me before that he was dealing with depression sometimes and I thought he may just not feel well for reasons that neither him or me could change from one instant to another. But his mood kept me at bay and he avoided spending too much time with me or in a private space. Though he was still acting wonderful, doing things for me, being very generous and friendly. When we spend time in the evening there was often alcohol involved and he did not seem enthusiastic about sex. When I was very irritated after about one month a asked him why he was being so extremely distant he confessed that he had met his ex partner one week after I was back and had been very surprised by finding himself having strong feelings for her again.

    Unfortunately I showed a harsh reaction out of fear and hurt. I told him he needed to be alone and that he should tell me if he wanted to hang out again. I did not mean to break up with him, but he then started (when we hung out again) to introduce me as a ‘friend’. Later when I tried to talk about it he said that he thought or relationship was not intense enough – he said he was used relationships to start out more intense and questioned if this might be caused by my cultural background (I am middle European). I was baffled and felt extremely emotionale sabotaged, since he was the one who had withdrawn and created distance early on without telling me what was going on. I felt treated unfairly and felt that he had not given me the chance to really show my love and to develop closeness with him (but does that chance have to be g i v e n? I might have been to irritated and afraid to just take it…). I have to admit that I was maybe not my most self-conscious version after being back, since I had to settle into the foreign language and new surrounding again.

    I am questioning myself and my perception now, I feel guilty for not having acted with more warmth and empathy. He must feel pain and confusion about this situation as well and I probably would have acted more authentically and from the centre of my heart in meeting his situation with understanding. His ex wants to get back together with him, he feels love for her, I could not compensate this out of anger and fear. I know that Karma always hits. I do not want him to go back, since I think there must be a reason that it did not work out for them three times. He seems to know this too somehow, but how I behaved pushed him away. It would be simple just to pled him guilty and move on, at the same time I do not feel seen for who I am and still have the idea that we could become better lovers together. He seems emotionally shut down and left the city over the break (alone), but he has had an extremely difficult time behind him and needed to get out, not (only) because of me.

    Do you think it would be worth to continue spending time with him in the hope to create a better emotional connection? I am feeling alone and devastated at the moment.

    I am looking forward to your advice.

    #239897
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Magdalene:

    It seems to me that you are taking way more  responsibility for him withdrawing from you than is yours. His complex relationship with  his ex who  is still in his life and has been throughout the time you knew him, has way more power in his withdrawal from you than anything  to do with you. His depression is  a powerful factor in his withdrawal.

    You were in a very challenging situation: emotionally involved  with a troubled  man,  one  not free from his attachment to another woman still in his life.

    I understand  you feeling alone and devastated about the loss of what you hoped for, but I don’t see anything you  have done wrong to bring about his withdrawal.

    I hope you post again with more of your thoughts  and feelings.

    anita

    #239955
    Magdalene
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

     

    thank you for your thoughtful advice which is very clear and empathic!

    Now that you remind me of the powerful factor his depression is, it becomes clear to me again, that he must often feel emotionally disconnected. I am now just wondering, why I did like him so much and agreed to his way of relating to others. I am wondering if I was trying to fix him (I wish I could be his best friend who cures the depression away) or if it resonated with my insecurities about living in a new culture and starting a new job. But he seems also to be very good in masking it and to be fun in a social setting with alcohol and otherwise just makes a lot of effort for being in control. Above all we have a lot of similar interests and a lot to talk about. I also immediately connected with his friends and family and besides those problems we seemed to be people from a ‘similar tribe’. Probably I did not do anything wrong but I am sorry that I was not able to prevent it.

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    #239957
    Magdalene
    Participant

    It also becomes clear to me that thinking of an ex partner as the perfect alternative or utopia is a comfortable escape for someone who is fixated on his own mind and thoughts (through depression).

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    #239963
    Magdalene
    Participant

    and this fixation makes him suffer in the present, so he is searching for an escape.

    #240067
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Magdalene:

    You are welcome, my pleasure to communicate with you.

    I agree, if I understand you correctly, that his attachment to his ex girlfriend is probably  his utopia, his make believe perfect life and he  finds comfort  in imagining it, longing for it, while in reality is wasn’t  utopic and will not be utopic.

    Here  is my concern regarding  this man in your life: you wrote, “he said that he  thought our relationship was  not intense enough- he said he was used relationships to  start  out  more intense and questioned if this might be caused by my cultural background (I am  middle European). I was baffled”-

    At first I was baffled too, but a little later I figured what he did:

    1. He expressed to you his dissatisfaction with the relationship, his complaint: it is “not intense  enough”.

    2. He accused you for being 100% responsible for his complaint, as your cultural background, clearly, is all about you and nothing to do with him.

    I suppose it is possible that one’s cultural background may be responsible for one’s less  affectionate ways, except that clearly in this case his troubled ongoing relationship with another woman, him stating that he still has loving feelings for her, and  his depression.. these cannot be  ignored as reasons for his dissatisfaction with his relationship with you!

    Therefore I am concerned that his way is handing you responsibility that doesn’t belong with you and  you taking on that responsibility that  is  not yours to take: “I feel guilty for not having acted with more warmth  and empathy.. (not) acted more authentically and from the centre of my heart”.

    No, no… it is about the center of his heart  not  being available to you!

    anita

     

     

    #240081
    Magdalene
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

     

    thank you, you are 100% right! I had already thought the exact same. But I also had left something out: I did not only tell him he needed to be alone, I also told him that this (with his ex) won’t work out, because it did not in the past and that he should not have met up with her. I think this strong criticism gave him the feeling I would not accept his suffering and tried to change him. Attempts like this are lovekillers. But I had such strong feelings of fear and anger.

    But at the same time, you must be right, that the overall problem is the unavailability of his own heart and that everything else is a cascade of micro symptoms that I am drown into. Otherwise he would have coped with me being angry and had not used it to label me as overly rational and distant. (He told me I was mixing rationality in our discussion and blamed my culture again. At the same time – why is it so bad to react rationally?)

    He was trying to get something (love, a relationship) whilst not being willing to let go his attachment. His former relationship might have suffered from his depression related behavior as well and maybe it was also more of his fault that it ended. That gives him less of a reason to let it go. I think the women in his life would be better off if he made a decision between trying his old relationship again or letting go. But my impression is, this is a  “too rational” behavior for him, he want’s “to feel” the impulse.

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    #240093
    Magdalene
    Participant

    Whereas I think that sometimes clear decisions, create space for the growth of feelings.

    #240099
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Magdalene:

    I  will read  your recent posts (and any that  you may add) when  I am  back to the computer in about fifteen hours from now and  will reply then.

    anita

    #240137
    Magdalene
    Participant

    You are doing an amazing work!

    Overall: I wonder if it is worth sticking around with him, since I enjoy his company. I think seeing the situation for what it is could protect me from getting hurt and confused again.

    #240317
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Magdalene:

    Thank you for the compliment.

    I wonder what  it is that he wants. I am  confused too as you have been. Does he want you to  be his supportive friend as he struggles with his on again off again relationship?  When he criticizes you for being  “overly rational and distant”- is he criticizing… an unpaid, unlicensed psychotherapist for not doing  a good  job?

    I would say it  is a good idea to clarify with him: what  is it that he  wants from you???

    Then see if there is a  match between what he  wants and what  you want.

    anita

    #240373
    Magdalene
    Participant

    good question! I guess he cannot tell yet, since he thought about us as lovers but got confused about his feelings. I assume when I force him to decide he decides to get out…

    #240375
    Magdalene
    Participant

    he does not seem to be aware that he is blocking the growth of closeness. Therefore in his eyes I am the problem as not being “compatible”. People have different love philosophies. His might be an overly romantic version. But who am I to decide this is wrong. I would like him to give us time to see what is possible. At the same time I am afraid to get hurt and being naive about him.

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    #240391
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Magdalene:

    “in his eyes I am the  problem as not being ‘compatible'”- well, isn’t this a deal breaker? He thinks you are not compatible, so what is there to pursue with him?

    anita

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