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  • #77770
    Lost Girl
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    First of all, thanks a lot for taking the time to read this 🙂

    So I’m in a complicated situation with a guy I’ve been to university with. He asked me out the first year, which is 5 years ago, but I turned him down because a few months before I was with a guy (my first boyfriend) who really made me feel bad about myself. He totally ruined my self-confidence, so after stupidly trying not to hurt his feelings, I broke up and decided that I would never have a boyfriend again.

    During my 3 years of university and after an awkward period of time, I turned out to become good friends with Uni Guy. We were a part of the same group of friends and even if we weren’t that close, I felt like we had a strong connection and I think he felt that too. We are pretty much alike, I love how he’s passionate and he really understands and knows me very well even if I never really opened up to him. I don’t know if I ever really considered him a friend since I noticed sometimes I was a bit flirty with him, but I wasn’t thinking about dating him.

    After we graduated, we all lost contact and I’ve been through a hard time so I cut off pretty much all of my friends including him. I’ve been abroad and came back and it’s crazy but I was feeling the need to talk to him again. So I did but we didn’t talk much. But lately, I was thinking about him a lot. I mean a LOT. I was thinking about what our relationship would’ve been and all that. So I texted him and he ended up telling me things like he always loved me and everything. But I’m freaked out. I don’t know if I want it too or not.

    I was planning to move abroad and I’m scared it might not happen if I start seeing him. On the other hand, I don’t want to miss the opportunity to live something that could bring me happiness. Also, as we were friends, I’m scared that it might be awkward or even comical. I want to seize every given opportunity to live my life and experience new, beautiful things since I’ve been through very tough times these past couple of years and I’m working on making myself and my life better, but I really don’t know what to do with that.

    Should I try and stay or stick to the initial plan and move? Any advice would be very welcomed.

    Thanks for reading!

    Lots of love,
    Lost Girl.

    • This topic was modified 9 years, 5 months ago by Lost Girl.
    #77786
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Lost Girl:
    If you can meet with him as a friend, intending to NOT change your plans to move abroad, but just to meet with him to talk, without getting involved and committed, if you can handle that- why not meet with him, get to know him and go on with your plans?

    How about meeting guys, when you do, just for conversations- even intimate conversations- as in exercise, practice, not for instant intimacy and lifetime commitment. Practice connecting with guys NOT romantically, but honestly. It might take the sting out of your fear- to set LIMITS on the relationship and not exceed those limits. Might make you stronger… what do you think?
    anita

    #77788
    Lost Girl
    Participant

    Hi Anita, thanks for your answer!

    I don’t think I’ll be the problem in this situation. I’m not the one who’s pushing the relationship towards romance or intimacy at all.
    He definitely is interested in me and I don’t know if I want to be with him too. I mean, I’m not pushing it towards romance, but I’m not doing anything against it either. Maybe I want it unconsciously. It’s 50/50 and I don’t know how to make a decision.

    I’m supposed to see him next week and I think it might help me. But I’m scared that I might be sending wrong signs. I made it clear to him that I was planning to move abroad, he didn’t really like the idea and he says he can make me change my mind, but I don’t know if I should let him try or not. I don’t want to regret not leaving, but I don’t want to regret not trying with him either because who knows? Maybe he can change my life for the better and bring me a brand new perspective on my life and what I should do.

    Well, when I meet a guy in general, I’m always meeting as a friend. Just like I would meet a girl who’ll maybe become a friend. As I said, if the relationship changes, it won’t be because of me.

    #77789
    Adam
    Participant

    Any good man worth being in a relationship in wouldn’t hold you back from doing something you want to do. Your personal growth and success must come first, even in the face of something or something you want. It may seem selfish, but if you’re going to be a healthy, successful person, your well-being should always come first. If you think he would support you and your personal growth, then I say go for it. If he wouldn’t though, I’d say stay as friends until you’re able to commit to a relationship.

    I hope this helps and wish you the best of luck!

    Thepathofaronin.blogspot.com is my personal blog and may offer better advice!

    Good luck.

    #77791
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Lost Girl:
    I see why you chose the name Lost Girl. You are not pushing for a romantic relationship but you are not pulling away from it either. It is that indecision I am very familiar with. It is- do you feel this way?- that I don’t know WHAT (or who) is right for me, so I don’t want to reject any opportunity that MIGHT be right. “Who knows?” you asked- and this is the point. I hope I can teach you something from my experience living in this mindset for so long (and do let me know if indeed this is your mindset)…

    It did not work for me- or for my sister- and absolutely failed. Although nobody can predict the future and there are no guarantees, a lot or random factors- you have a FAR GREATER CHANCE, statistically, to live a good life if you actively choose, with awareness, adn so navigate your own life. Statistics is all you can go for. No guarantees. It is like you have 95% better chance to live a good life if you choose from awareness. That is a good statistic.

    How do you do that? How do you choose from awareness if you are not aware of what you want…

    First you accept that it is going to be a PROCESS that is going to take a long time and there is no way to suddenly become instantly …aware and knowing. Have faith, I hope, that this process is the only way to move ahead.

    Slowly become aware through use of your logic (“Rational Mind”) and your emotions (“Emotional Mind”) of what is going on inside you and outside you. Logic alone does not work. Some of what your emotions are telling you is correct and some of what your emotions are telling you currently is not correct. Through the process you will learn over time what to believe and what not to believe; what is true and what is not true.

    You wrote: “he says he can make me change my mind..” oh, oh, I say- that is not likely to be difficult for you because your mind is weak at this point, it is not set, so if he is good at changing a weak mind, then he will. He may trigger certain emotions in you and you may feel that the answer is with him. Too easy to give your power away when you have little power to begin with. In potential you have as much power as anyone else, but not in your current state of mind.

    I would say: with your willingness to give him your power and his willingness to take it- better you do not meet him. If you can get a bit of awareness and meet him so to pay attention to what is going on and practice something on the way to awareness- than it can be a good idea.

    Be careful: this is not the time in your life for relationship decisions. Better not. Keep relationships light, NOT COMMITAL and PRACTICE the skills you need to develop (mindfulness, assertiveness) first.

    “Who knows?” You asked. Inside of you are the answers. It will take time, if you engage in the process, maybe with good therapy? to find those answers, little by little, patiently.

    I agree with the commentator above. How do you know when an interaction between you and another person is right? If it is a WIN-WIN situation. Think about what you are going to get out of it and what he/ she intends to get out of it. Ask … ask him and ask yourself.

    Let me know if you want more of my input.
    anita

    #77802
    Lost Girl
    Participant

    Thank you for your answers and new perspectives on the matter, it really helps 🙂

    I totally agree with both of you. Since I chose to move before talking to him again, I should not give up on my plan – since this is something I’ve been wanting to do for a long time. Not that I was willing to give up, but since I’m a little restraint financially and my plan does not have a deadline, I told myself I would go once my situation will be more favorable.

    I really don’t want to give up on that because this the only thing I’m sure I really want to do. I don’t know why but I have to.

    Anita, this is EXACTLY my mindset. It’s so hard living with that. I can never make a decision I’m sure of because I’m always thinking about all the possibilities, weighing the pros and the cons forever… It’s so tiring and frustrating, sometimes I wish someone could take all the decisions for me and tell me what to do.

    About him wanting to change my mind, I think he said that because he feels like he has a second chance to be with me and he hopes this time it won’t fail. I don’t think he would do anything too dramatic to prevent me from moving. In fact he’s pretty supportive in general. We’re both artists and he knows me very well and I think if he gets that it is important for me to achieve this thing I want to, then he’ll understand. He knows how indecisive I am and he said he’ll always be my friend no matter what. I just don’t want to hurt him again and push him away and not wanting to be my friend anymore. Even if we just talk every once in a while, I really value our relationship.

    What I’m afraid of though is regretting not trying with him. That’s why I think I should see him. To clarify things and see how I feel around him. If we’re still the flirty-friends or more. I think it can help if I tell him how I feel about it all.

    I wanted to see him face to face because texting can be misleading sometimes. And also because he wants to talk to me about some of his projects. What do you think?

    #77811
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Lost Girl:

    Regarding face to face via emailing modes of communication: I agree that texting/ emailing can be misleading. On the other hand it was easier and more effective for me in the past to communicate via emails. In person, I was often lost (yes, LOST) in fears of rejection, of hurting the other’s feelings, of saying the wrong thing, etc. I was not present in the face-to-face conversation. Later I thought to myself: oh, I should have said this or that… Via emails I was able to read and re-read and edit my communication without worrying about how it was accepted, without being hyper-vigilant regarding his/ her facial responses and such. I heard others say misunderstandings are common via emails. In my experience, given my tendency to get absent minded IN PERSON, email communication was often better than face to face.

    In your original post you wrote about your first boyfriend: “(he) really made me feel bad about myself. He totally ruined my self-confidence, so after stupidly trying not to hurt his feelings…” In the post above you wrote about the present friend: “I just don’t want to hurt him again and push him away.” I wonder about this concern of yours to not hurt the feelings of another… maybe over concern as it was with your first boyfriend. Even though your first boyfriend was hurting you, you were so afraid of him being hurt that you overlooked the fact that YOU were hurting and that it was your job to protect yourself from being hurt by him (eventually you did break up with him). I wonder where this over concern comes from and I wonder how it is playing a part in your indecision. I am curious of what you think about it, if you gave this thought already and if you think about it now, calmly, what comes to your mind?

    The guy “sounds” like a nice guy and you write that he knows you well- but he can’t know you that well when you don’t know yourself that well… and he has his own needs, wants, not YOURS. Not that he is not concerned or caring about your needs and wants, but he is mostly motivated by his own. Placing your future in his hands will be a mistake. Do not give him the power to navigate your life no matter how much you think he knows you, how decent he is, how genuinely he likes you… no matter what, do not give your power away.

    Since I projected accurately about your state of mind, as you wrote: “It’s so hard living with that. I can never make a decision I’m sure of because I’m always thinking about all the possibilities, weighing the pros and the cons forever… It’s so tiring and frustrating, sometimes I wish someone could take all the decisions for me and tell me what to do.” I will suggest for you to re-read my post before this one about the PROCESS and write to me what you think further.

    That wish you wrote: “I wish someone could take all the decisions for me and tell me what to do.” Be careful, Lost Girl of that wish coming true. Not a good way to live. It may FEEL this way, but remember what i wrote about trusting your own emotions? In the process you will learn which emotions to trust, or better said, you will learn what the true messages are behind your emotions. By wishing to have someone else tell you what to do, what it is you are trying to avoid? Of course you are trying to avoid the anxiety of making the wrong decisions adn going over the pros and cons endlessly in your mind, but looking deeper, what are you trying to avoid? Tell me more…???
    anita

    #77858
    Lost Girl
    Participant

    I agree with you too regarding mails/texts versus face to face communication, but I really think it could help me figure out the nature of the relationship if I see him, plus he’s a friend on the basis and we haven’t seen each other in years, so I really would love to see him again. I will be clear about my intentions anyway, even if it takes time to explain it all to him. I also want him to tell me more about how he feels in person and I’m curious to know why he waited for me to text him this particular time to tell me about how he feels just now.

    I don’t think I precised it, but he said he’s always been in love with me. He acts so detached about it though, and he’s convinced I knew it but I really didn’t. I told him I was sure about going abroad and he said that if it really what I want to do, I should follow my instinct and do it. He’s been “ironically pissed” that I was friend-zoning him again but I told him he has always sort of been there anyway so…

    About not hurting people’s feeling, I guess it’s simply because I don’t want to hurt them. I really feel super bad about it. I’m very sensitive and I care for the others, they really matter to me. I’m concerned about everybody’s well-being around me, I hate drama and I hate to be the one who has to hurt the other. Not that I love being the hurt one, but it’s just who I am. Now I know sometimes I think more about what the others will feel like before my own feelings and I know it’s not what I should do, I should put myself first and I’m learning to do that, even if it goes against my nature.

    I don’t know if my indecision comes from not wanting to hurt the others, it’s just that every time I take a decision, I feel like it wasn’t the right one and I see so many options and everything. I’ll take my decision anyway, even if it hurts him because I know that’s what I want to do and eventually he’ll understand. I just hope he’ll still be my friend.

    He definitely is a good guy, and when I say he knows me well, I mean that he also knows my confusion well like the other day he answered his own question as if he was me and it was exactly the answer I would’ve give to him. He also knows and understand my artistic vision and interests, that’s what I meant. I won’t let him take the decision for me, I thought about it all and asked myself what were the advantages of both options on the long-term and which would help me with my actual situation and needs. And leaving is the answer.

    When I say I wish someone could tell me what to do, I guess it’s for the “easy” side of it, I don’t think I’m avoiding anything except maybe taking the wrong decision. I know making decisions isn’t easy for anyone, but I think it’s harder for some people like me who either have no options at all or everything thrown at your face. Uni Guy said that I refused to be happy because I was scared so I’m sabotaging myself on purpose. It really hit me when he said that, I feel like he may be right. He wants to know why and I can’t even think of an answer.

    Anyway, thanks a lot again for your insight Anita, you’re really helping!

    #77887
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Lost Girl:
    You have been consistent in your posts about wanting to go abroad. Your indecision has been about a relationship with the guy, not about going abroad. You did mention some unfavorable financial condition about the going abroad plan, and given your fearful nature taht you ackonwledged- it makes sense that part of you will try to HOLD ON to something that may feel safer than the financial challenge and any other challenges that going abroad entail.

    It is hard to choose in this world at the present time because there are so many choices: even going to the supermarket is a chore because there are so many, many choices. This has nothing to do with you. A study has shown that given too many choices reduces people’s happingess or content.

    You wrote that he told you he loved you but seemed detached- one message carried by his words and another message by non verbal communiation. Something to pay attention to.

    regarding caring not to hurt others- it is part of who you are, not a part you want to change. It is a good part: do no harm is a Buddhist principle. What you acknowledge as ineffective is putting another’s interest first, at your expense. That is hurting yourself so to not hurt another, a lose-win situation- to avoid!

    It seems to me, since the comment about fear resonated with you- that you are excited, definite about wanting to go abroad but you are also afraid. It would make sense that you will be looking for connection with another to soothe that fear. This is what humans/ social animals do to soothe fear. So no wonder there. Occupying your mind with him carries the message then that you are afraid, that is all. But that is nothing new. I do hope that you go abroad, not even considering to change that plan so to have a relationship with this guy. I hope you follow your plan while remaining mindful/ aware of your fear. Find ways to soothe your fear that do not involve strategies that will backfire, like having a relationship. Find connections, but not such that will hurt you following, at best, temproarty relief of fear.

    Just because you feel fear does not mean you are facing real danger. This is where awareness comes in, thinking realistically about the situation, seeing it for what it is, not escaping into a fantasy of how someone could rescue you from your fear. This is a serious opportunity for you to grow in spite of the fear. Not by a strong will power alone, but by taking small steps toward the goal, focusing on the journey, ackinowledging the obstacles and moving on mindfully.
    anita

    #78389
    Lost Girl
    Participant

    Anita,

    Sorry for taking so long to answer but I’ve been pretty busy these past days.

    The situation I’m in kind of changed. I met the guy a couple of times, and I exposed to him everything. From my plan, to my fears and everything. Everything feels super easy with him, but also complicated because we’re both artists and he’s about to breakthrough. This being said, he always knew him and I were made to cross each other’s paths again and he feels like we can help each other growing as human beings, and also artistically. He really has a point there and I can feel there’s a real connection. I’m not talking about feelings, but I couldn’t even explain how much we’re complementary.

    He knows how I’m always going abroad and come back because I have “a feeling” that it’s the right thing for me to do. To him, I’m giving up when I do that. He says I’m wasting my potential to do great thing, and to be honest, he’s right. He really sees the person I am and the one I’m trying to be and I know that he really wants to help me with that. Since we met, it’s crazy but so many positive things happened. I feel like he knows really well how to bring the best out of me.

    Now I’m not saying I won’t go abroad, but I think I need to step back and think about the real reasons why I want to do it and the resources/plan I have to achieve it. I know it can sound like he has something to do with all that, well he sort of since he came back into my life, but if I look around right now, things have already changed for the better for me. But to make things clear, I don’t rely on him to bring me happiness and a purpose and everything, I just think he’s got a part to play in my life. I don’t know if it makes any sense.

    Thanks again for all the great pieces of advice! 🙂

    #78390
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Lost Girl:
    I was wondering as I read your post above what you mean by “great things” in the sentence: “He says I’m wasting my potential to do great thing, and to be honest, he’s right.” ???
    anita

    #79557
    jj2013
    Participant

    Lost Girl, I dont know how old you are but if you are 26 or younger, just move and proceed with you initial plans. Believe me, you will forever regret not travelling, living life, studying, etc if you miss it now. There is a guy out there for you who will be the world to you when the time is right. Perhaps even Uni guy, who knows, but from personal experience, dont make the same mistake I made. Go now before you have to live a heartbreak. hugss

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