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  • #106665
    Lostsoul92
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    @anita

    Hi Anita

    Your points really hit home – that’s the one side of my thinking.

    She always admitted to trying to making me jealous and how it never worked – she said she’d want me to be a little more possessive rather than little interest and time I spent on her. I guess at the time I saw her as easily replaceable or the relationship didn’t mean much to me.

    Her interest in Imran is quite clear and I’ve spoke to her about this – she’s told me she always feared I’d leave and as much as she liked me she questioned where the relationship would be going or how long I’d stay. It doesn’t sit right with me but I couldn’t offer her what she wanted at the time and even when she did ask me, I’d said no. So I don’t think it gives me a right to hold her back?
    In her eyes there’s no relationship without marriage – what we had was simply a bit of fun and she had her goals set out. In truth, I felt and knew the same at the time – I feel like I’m bringing my feelings that I have now to analyse the situation whereas I didn’t feel so strongly about her then.

    I can’t forgive her for her lying but I can understand it. She knew telling me the truth would result in me leaving – it’d have been a scary place to be in and not one I’d want to be in myself.

    I’ve asked her and she says she didn’t want to ruin what we had for a stupid mistake – that she only considered this guy for selfish reasons (marriage) and that it’d provide her the life she wanted.

    I took your advice and spoken to my closest friend about it and he takes the view that it’s manageable. Her considering Imran was fair because I never gave her reason to stay – I knew what she wanted in life and her goals of marriage but I was happy being non committed. Again, he agreed her lying isn’t excusable but I should view stuff from her angle – the reasons she lied and the fear she’d have felt.

    I’m stuck in limbo. I adore the girl and would want someone to forgive me if I’d made the same mistakes – however I’m worried if I’ll ever trust her again?

    I honestly appreciate your thoughts and input Anita 🙂

    LostSoul92

    #106683
    Anonymous
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    Dear LostSoul92:

    Do I understand correctly: she had some physical/ sexual intimacy with you during the time in your relationshhip that you were not committed to her, during the time you told her you are with her for fun only? If so,for how long, and was it a kind of physical intimacy that you beleive she did not experience with another man- that you were the first?

    I have some thoughts about it, but need the answer first.

    anita

    #106713
    Lostsoul92
    Participant

    Hi @Anita,

    Yes that’s all true – for me that was normal whereas for her she’d never done that before.
    The way she described it was that she let me in, forgotten all her values and I still didn’t want to keep/want her.
    I was the first man she’d ever let touch her and this lasted for the first 2/3 months.

    After speaking to her I did understand something though – whenever this topic would come up and given how much it bothered me, I wouldn’t ask questions; it’d be more hounding and interrogating her repeatedly. I explained how all I wanted to know was whether she considered him and we could’ve moved past it – she told me that I’d never put it that way before, more that if she’d considered him that was the end of our relationship.

    I’m trying out forgiveness for now – this happened at the start of our relationship and I need to understand how I was back then rather than my feelings for her now.
    What is hard though is spending all that time trying to convince myself he was nothing – to changing my beliefs again. I’m not saying it’ll be easy but I’m willing to try though 🙂

    Do keep giving me your thoughts and advice though – I do appreciate it.

    LostSoul92

    #106717
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear LostSoul92:

    I am thinking the name you chose, “lost soul” is fitting because as I see it, you are in the dark holding a flashlight and you are directing the flashlight on one specific area, the lie. But darkness is everywhere and you are missing things that you need to see.

    Here is a dark area where you didn’t shed light, as I see it: she said she values marriage as the only context in which to have any kind of sexual relation with a man. She made a huge exception for you, having sexual interaction with you while not married to you, and while you told her you have no interest in getting married. And then, while having a sexual interaction with you, she showed interest in another man.

    Note the dark spot: how could she consider marrying the other man if she was having a sexual interaction with you? And do you think she would have told him the truth if they got together?

    And, if she made this huge exception for you because she loved you so, how could she have an interest in another man?

    And, if she told you that you were not the only one she had sexual interactions with, that you are not the first, would you leave her? If this is her thinking, is she lying to you now and is her lie justifyable in the same way the other lie is justifyable (by some)? Will any lie she ever say justifyable because if she told the truth you’d leave her?

    anita

    #106718
    Bebedough
    Participant

    I like what someone said earlier: “If she has said she will marry you, believe it and let the past be. Frankly nothing happened in the past anyway with another guy while you were around, albeit casually according to you? Do not let your pride ruin this.”

    But, I would say…take your time and give her time. Do NOT rush into marriage. Agree to a long engagement – make sure she agrees – to ensure you both have time to come together on the importance for trust, honesty, and other foundations needed to ensure a long-lasting relationship that is all at once intimate and based on friendship too.

    You both sound a bit young and honestly, not ready to marry…but perhaps your faith and culture are driving the interest, need or timing for marriage?

    Two more thoughts – 1) girls (and guys) like to feel fussed over, chosen, admired…that may have driven the conversations that led to talk about the other guy, you, and her becoming yours…you won, enjoy it! 2) often when someone enters into a relationship or the next level (engagement or marriage), they are immediately drawn into a perceived state of “obligation to truthfulness” – hence the sharing of added insight into former interests, flames, actions that may have or may be shared between you too. No matter what, be honest with each other and yet realistic…as in, that was past, now let’s build a happy and harmonious future together.

    I do worry a bit about this pothole in your earliest days of courtship – examine them closely from within yourself FIRST. What has just happened sets the tone for years ahead…today it might be your concerns about how honestly she came to you, loves you, and is honest with you. Maybe this is a YOU thing vs. something she is doing or has done wrong. Who knows where the truth or reality is though. But, I can assure you that tomorrow on into the future, you will face far deeper issues together and singularly that will call for strength in you individually and together. For example, the guy at a party who relentlessly flirts with her and draws out her attention…or the child who claims greater attentions from Mom that from you, as Dad…check your yardstick for jealously, insecurity, and trust before you get to those moments. In the meantime, love your fiancée…enjoy life…find meaning, hope, and trust together.

    bit-tawfīq (good luck)

    Bebedough (Midwestern USA)

    #106749
    Lostsoul92
    Participant

    Bebedough – Appreciate the comment. I’m trying to move past it – like I said I know nothing happened but it seems to bug me quite abit, maybe because I’ve been trying to convince myself that he was nothing before.

    One thing I will admit is that I’m highly insecure – mostly due to commitment and past relationships having been cheated on before. I guess part of me does worry about committing myself whilst giving her the power to hurt me but that’s what a relationship is ey – trusting the other person not to hurt you.

    Anita – I see it this way; she was attracted to me even though I was wrong for her. She didn’t know where it was headed but she enjoyed it – she’d doubt us after I’d give her no intention of staying, carrying on with my drinking and going out as well as having let go off some of her values as a result.
    That’s where this other guy comes in.. He had qualities and was the type she’d envisaged herself with; her safe option – if I did ever leave, at least she’d be able to go back to what she knew before.

    I don’t think she’d have told him hence what she said on that night.. ‘I don’t want him to know about us’. Bear in mind she did ask me if I wanted to be more serious at this point and I said no.

    And no I don’t think I would’ve – that would’ve happened before I was with her so it’s irrelevant in my eyes. I guess the reason why this guy bothers me is because I thought she was liking/wanting to be with him INSTEAD of me.

    We’ve talked and come to an understanding – she’s been completely honest about everything. Albeit it’s late but still.

    LostSoul92

    #106752
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear LostSoul92:

    The only thing that bothers you is whether she was interested at the time in him instead of you. I think there is something else underneath this single obsession of yours. Part of it can be your own past, part of it may be something else. If I was you, I would attend competent psychoterapy, short term, for the purpose of figuring this out. Talking to a friend in person, as you did, is not enough. Neither is writing here, so far.

    Attending short term psychotherapy and afterwards deciding whether getting married with her is a good option, in my opinion, is the right way for you to proceed.
    anita

    #107734
    Actin565
    Participant

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