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  • #227129
    Anonymous
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    I did pretend that I didn’t hear my friends say mean things to themselves, Lara. At the time, I didn’t know how to deal with it. Their impulses didn’t affect our friendship. And I’m pretty weird myself, so I figured that there was no use in judging! 😀

    Perhaps the definition of coprolalia resonates more with your speech habit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coprolalia. (The Wikipedia article on Tourette’s lead me to the article on coprolalia.) This article may also be useful: https://www.tourette.org/resource/understanding-coprolalia/.

    Even if you don’t understand the reasons why this is happening, it’s best to not judge yourself as much as possible. Be gentle and kind to yourself. If necessary, inform people of your habit, so that they can become aware of it and not be offended. I just remembered that there was a boy at school who had coprolalia and Tourette’s; all the students and teachers had been informed about it, so they knew what to expect. With time, he and his friends were even able to laugh about his impulsive speech, which took the weight off his shoulders.

    You’ve come a long way in dealing with depression and fear, Lara. It’s a good sign that you don’t believe it when you say to yourself, “You’re a bad person”. Repetition doesn’t make it more real unless you believe it. It might feel a bit crazy to have 2 voices going on in your mind at once (I don’t have an impulsive speech habit, but my inner critic can be super mean), but it IS possible to embrace them and succeed in life nonetheless.

    Have you tried keeping a log of your habit or any of the other suggestions mentioned above yet? Please let us know!

    #248319
    Lara
    Participant

    Hello everyone,

    time really does fly by, sorry.

    Dear anita, about your first question, “what beliefs were those”. From my mothers side I would say “The world is bad” . Tell her about something that happened to you on any day, I don’t have a good expample right now but lets say “And then there was this lady and she said ‘x'” where “x” for me was something strange but funny. My mother would automatically be angry and say “how could she say something like that to you! ” allways assuming the worst of people, not getting the fine nuances. It was allways a struggle to defend my view against hers. And then there were the times when I would say something she disagreed with, I don’t have an example there but I certainly remember the disgusted look she gave me, like I was the worst person on the planet. She changed for the better though, through theraphy that is why I wrote  ” I would rather have to go on no contact from myself” if I wanted to get away from the thoughts.

    As for my father I thought about it but I think I was wrong, it wasn’t ingrained fear there. More of a feeling of not beeing good enough, though he would never admit to it or maybe doesn’t even understand. But not in the cliche TV-Show way, more subtile like I would tell him about something nice I did and he might say “thats nice” and then say how (a) that might have been done better or (b) how really this is not so difficult to do or (c) how cousin X just became proffessor. Super exhausting. Also the same for the future Me:”I will do X” Father: “ah thats nice (a) but shouldn’t you rather do y?” or (b) “Cousin X is studying now while beeing a prof” (I kid you not on this one) or (c) switching to a totally different topic. Its not as bad as it sounds sometimes he was genuinly interested, but I learned to keep special things to myself so they wouldn’t be tainted/ belittled by these kind of comments.

    I don’t know I feel I am rambling a bit, sorry.

    #248321
    Lara
    Participant

    Dear Annie, I am running out of time for today so for now I would just like to say thank you for looking into this again for me, Coprolaila does seem to go in the right directly, I would like to answer you in more detail next time I am online here.

    #248329
    Anonymous
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    Dear Lara:

    The message from your mother was  “The world is bad”, suggesting to you that other people meant to hurt your feelings, “always assumed the worst of people”. She would  get angry at other people who interacted with you, and she “would automatically be angry and say ‘how could she say something like that to you!”, for example.

    But then, she assumed the worst of you too, this is why you had to defend yourself against her (“It was always a struggle to defend my view against hers”). When you said something she disagreed with, there was that “disgusted look she gave  me, like I was the worst person on the planet”.

    I will focus on your mother at this point because she was the one with the anger, and a parent’s anger is very powerful in a child’s experience. Your father’s input was harmful but not close to the extent of your mother’s harm done to you, because he was not angry, she was.

    Let’s look at the sentences you have voiced out loud, the “you” means Lara: “I hate you”. “You are a bad person” “When will you finally end it?” “Why can’t I be better?”

    There  is a concept of the “inner critic” a well known mental entity, the mental representative of the parent that keeps criticizing us in the absence of the parent. Everyone has an inner critic. Yours voices itself out loud at times to no one in particular.

    When your inner critic says “I hate you”, that is the  mental representative  of your mother saying that, because when she looked at you in real life with disgust, that is what she was saying without words. Same with “You are a bad person”, this is what her disgust said without words. And  it fit with what she  did say about others and you, everyone is a bad person. Then a part of you is looking for a solution: change from bad to good (“Why can’t I get better?”) ,or get  rid of the bad person (“When will you finally end it?”)

    Your inner critic, like everyone’s, is automatic and we can stop its input if we notice it and concentrate,  and its tone of voice, inaudible, does change  (It’s automatic  in that I am not aware when I start talking, but with concentration I can stop midsentence and not finish. Tone of voice depends on my stress level… when I am really angry with myself over something I might actually shout”).

    Most of us live with an inner critic that sometimes.. silently shouts at us.

    anita

     

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    #271359
    Lara
    Participant

    Dear Annie,

    as I said Coprolalia does go in the right direction, but for those with Coprolalia the involuntary aspect seems to be much stronger to me than what I do. I don’t swear or shout in public, for example (with a very few exeptions). But then these disorders often have a spectrum and maybe I am on a lower spectrum?

    Keeping a log is difficult since I end up thinking “where to write it down”? I would never use my smartphone for that since I don’t trust google. Using a notebook there might be a chance of someone seeing it.

    But I can say that its happing more when I am agitated or thinking about old stuff. Recently there was this event of I group I am part of, it went very well the whole evening, I even made two announcements without shivering in fear. They were not very well put but it didn’t matter and everyone was smiling. Things went south only afterwards. We needed to leave this place at a certain time though people might have wanted to stay longer, so beeing part of leadership I said well don’t stress yourselfs but we need to get going. And they did they were really wonderful, packing everything up. But in the end there was a moment where everyone was still standing around and then looking at me for some reason and I was like “well off you go” with a slight military tone (half joke). And they did, but five minutes later I thought “yeah or you could have said Merry christmas and see you next year”. I was really down then worrying what people are thinking of me beeing so unfriendly. And then later I realized that we might not have needed to hurry so much. I spend the whole way back and the next day agonozing and shouting stuff. Was really tough and I think my brain was just burned out from all the socialisation and stress from acting “wrong”.

    • This reply was modified 5 years, 12 months ago by Lara.
    #271365
    Anonymous
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    Dear Lara:

    I submitted a post to you on your new thread  before reading your recent entry on this thread. Well, it is your very active, aggressive inner critic voice who told you in the event you  described above something like this:

    -everyone is standing looking at you because you did something wrong.. again! What did you mean by that thing you said, “well off you go”? What a &&^* thing to say! And in a military tone! How unfriendly! They are all standing there looking at you because they are thinking how *^(& you are! And you didn’t even say Merry Christmas! Plus, to make your performance even worse, there was not even a  reason to hurry everyone. You hurried them for no reason!

    (“everyone was still standing around and then looking at  me for some reason and I was like ‘well off you go’ with a slightly military tone… I thought ‘yeah or you could have said Merry Christmas… worrying what people are thinking of me… we might not have needed to hurry so much… ”

    I believe that the voice that “shouting stuff” at any one time is either your aggressive inner critic voice or it is the part of you that is suffering under the aggression and tyranny of that inner critic, the part that “spend the whole way back and the  next day agonizing“.

    anita

     

     

    #271955
    Lara
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    thank you for your replies! I am sorry that I didn’t answer you last time, my time at the library was up when I finished my reply to Annie and I though I would just wait for another round – but when I looked up a lot of people were waiting for their turns at the PCs, maybe because it was saturday. The library was closing soon so I left without even writing a note, sorry.

    I thought about what you wrote, my inner critic is not as angry as you wrote it I think, not as loud (exept in extreme cases) but that doesn’t make your observation less valid, maybe even more so. Because if you hadn’t put it in these words, maybe I would have said well its not that bad. I think through the years I got to a point where a lot of things that would have drove me mad before just don’t anymore, but I see now that the inner critic is still at work in other places.  Maybe its time to start working on the inner critic again, I have a good book with strategies that I will look into again but also post here when I can’t get any further (often the inner critic seems to have very valid points).

    I want to say more on this but somehow I can’t put it into words. I will leave this for another day for now.

    #272203
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    You’re welcome, Lara.

    I don’t think it’s too important to nail down the perfect term; if it sounds similar to coprolalia, you can then research solutions and see if they help.

    Since you’re not into online journaling or keeping a journal for privacy reasons, I’d suggest typing in Word, reflecting on what you wrote and then immediately deleting it. Or if you prefer paper, write and then rip it up or burn it. You can even go without journaling altogether and spend 5 to 10 minutes in the morning and evening to reflect on your progress. But you don’t have to do anything that doesn’t feel good to you.

    About the event you described, bravo for fearlessly making 2 announcements! Being a leader means you have to make decisions that won’t always please everyone (e.g. being rather firm about leaving). Living your life trying to appease others is a prison. Did you have have good intentions? Did you do your best? That’s all that matters.

    Like I’ve said before, it sounds like you’ve come a long way, Lara—just keep going. Own your decisions and tell your inner critic that you can take care of the situation. You don’t need others to validate your existence.

    Please don’t feel obligated to reply unless you have other questions. Just do your thing!

    Much love.

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