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  • #96552
    janet
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    I was with my boyfriend 2 years 8 months. Yes WAS. We broke up a month ago. We have been talking, but the first few weeks we just fought non stop about all the stupid issues. This past week we are actually talking just in general, and a little about the issues. But without getting angry or blaming each other. For now. Honestly everyone says don’t even talk to him. there’s no point. We’re friends on fb still and we both post all those stupid meme crap about relationships. Were both stupid. We probably deserve each other. Its as if we both know this is only another short term break up for us. We have had a lot of chaos and breakups in our time together. Right now I’m one state away (about 600 miles) from him. Tension had been building between us faster than ever before. We lived together the first year then separated and stayed together living apart. About 6 months ago I also went to work with him as hes buying a business. He also lives there- thats where he went when we separated. And his 8 yr old son had to come live with him last year. So thats a lot going on. Its hard enough being in a relationship with someone who has kids. In my second marriage my husband was with me with my first 2 kids and he had none, then we had 2 together. So I know this only from a womans perspective of having my own kids. But as a woman dating a man with a kid, omg its ridiculously hard. We had no babysitter or family so getting time for intimacy was pretty much non existent. Since the beginning of our relationship the whole living together and marriage thing has always seemed to be a tug of war. I have always worked and payed my share of our expenses and never asked him outright for money for anything. On occasion I had to ask for help with my rent and he did help me. But I wasn’t like some women who are always like can i have 30 for my hair or nails ect….On the contrary I was always saying lets not eat out and save so we can get an apartment. His son needs his own space and our relationship is suffering from lack of intimacy. He just keeps saying we cant do it for 3-5 more years AFTER he builds his business. So now Im looking at the history and all the signs and thinking is he just non committal? I know he felt I was nagging him to death and he said I gave him “shit” constantly. He went back to playing golf and he was doing that 2 times a week and he never took me out alone. I was “nagging” him about that too finally. I mean it felt so damn unfair. And I wouldn’t be the kind to say anything if he didn’t lead me to believe that it was going to happen and basically thats what he did. He was even saying we were going to get married at some point. He bought me a ring but never said it was any kind of “commitment” ring. I mean I know your all reading this and thinking I should be glad I left. Move on. Find a man who will give you a decent life. But I want this man. He is a good man with a kind heart, who is also an arrogant asshole and not so financially smart or stable but hey, no one is perfect. And the next guy I meet will have a new set of issues and god who wants to take time to figure all that out after dating for another 6 months to year and then go all over again? His sister in law even says he just needs to pull his head out of his ass and he’d be an amazing husband. Im no perfect woman. I tend to think negatively a lot and I always have waay more to say than I should. I speak before I think things out and thats gotten us into a lot of fights. Letting things go is also NOT a strong point for me at ALL. I want and believe (crazily) that this relationship can work. But I also know its best we go our seperate ways. Im basically sitting on a fence. And I think he is too. I am willing to put the effort, get counseling anything for it to work. He says he is, but what he says and what he does are again not the same. And one more point is that my friends always say I give into him to easy. Make it to easy for him. Im always accessible, always answer his calls txt right away ect. So thats what Ive been working on is not being so accessible and letting him be the one to come around because clearly its him (well in my eyes) that need to. Thanks for listening. Any help or advice is greatly appreciated.

    #96559
    Anonymous
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    Dear janet:

    It feels to me, after reading your post, that a good relationship with this man is possible for you. There is nothing I read that makes it a bad idea. Only you would need a “Beginner’s Mind” to make it possible. That is, thinking about things …from the beginning, as if you just met him. Untangle the knots made in this relationship and start from the beginning.

    But then, of course, I am going only by what I read here. You have four children, and I hope you give them the attention that they need so much, the positive attention. If I was you, that would be my number one priority. If the relationship takes so much out of you that you are not available enough for your children, then I would end the relationship.

    The relationship needs to fit in with you being a good enough mother. First, good enough mother. Second: the relationship. The children on both sides have to come first because they are so vulnerable to be hurt and hurt for years to come.

    As to a Beginner’s Mind regarding this relationship, some interpersonal skills, if practiced, can be very helpful and prevent lots of difficulties. On your part, you wrote that you often talk impulsively, before thinking. This is something that can be worked on. Then there is planning… and no more nagging…and so much more.

    Please do post again!

    anita

    #96570
    Inky
    Participant

    Hi janet,

    I’m a big believer in doing things in order.

    Imagine this scene: You are with your BF and there are no kids. AAAHHH, doesn’t that feel GOOD??

    Now imagine this scene: You are raising your kids without any background drama of making some relationship “work”. You are raising them, spending quality time with them, living your life with them. Feel how HAPPY that is??

    My advice is to raise all your kids. Give them the totality of your attention. Then when the last one is an adult (and when the guy’s kid/s are adults), be happy in a relationship.

    I’m not saying not to have a love life now, but keep the love life LIGHT and FREE!

    Best,

    Inky

    • This reply was modified 8 years, 9 months ago by Inky.
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    #96582
    janet
    Participant

    Thank you both for the replies. I think maybe I might have wrote the part about the kids a little confusing so Im going to clarify. I have 4 kids but they are all grown. What I was referring to was yes I know its hard being in a relationship where one person has kids and the other doesn’t but I only know that from a mother perspective. I was married 2 times. my first 2 kids are out of the home. my second two from my second marriage, one is 19 the other 17. They all live apart from me. But I have an amazing relationship with them all and nothing ever gets between me and them. Now with my ex (the one in reference) he has two other kids from his first marriage, one is 19 the other 12. He never sees them and rarely talks to them. I dont wanna elaborate there but basically he has an I give up attitude. He claims its his ex wifes fault they are sort of estranged. But he just doesnt try. much like our relationship he makes excuses. Idk maybe its a man thing. I know as a mother I will die for my kids and no one better try to stand between us! No if that was the case at all I wouldn’t be with a man like that. So now in his case his 8 year old sons mother lives in another state and she was a huge thorn since day one. She turned out to be an alcoholic and finally she is getting her life together and she is causing far less drama but in the beginning it was a nightmare. I believe in co-parenting but both him and her are quite honestly crappy parents. I would try to help him and offer advice and he never wanted to hear it. But then say the teacher at school would say the same thing I did and all of a sudden hes like thats a great idea. So thats also a dilemma because I feel so sad for his son. The fact that he doesnt want to move in together is one thing if its just him and I but he thinks its ok for his son to live in a shop with no where to play or have his own room for toys and just a feeling of home and being safe and secure. Especially after his mother drug him through the mud and they were basically homeless before we got him back. His son has social issues and outbursts at school and had to be moved to a special program. Idk to me nothing is more important that a safe home for your child and he doesnt disagree but at the same time he is making excuses why we cant afford an apartment. I think he has a lot of insecurities and walls up. I think hes afraid of taking on all that responsibility. But hes halfway there as it is. Hes afraid of failure. Hes trying to buy a business and he uses that as his “excuse”. All his money is going toward that for our “future” which is commendable and makes sense but in the interim? The three of us cant live that way for 3 more years. And again I work and can and have paid half or more than half the expenses so its crazy.

    Many times he has said we need to just be apart and focus on our individual goals and then maybe fate will bring us back together someday. Well, ok yes and no. Maybe I let him raise his son and buy the shop and then in 10 yrs see where we are in life. But that also seems like lunacy. Life is now not 10 years from now. I cant carry around a maybe for 10 years. I want to be with someone. I don’t want to be alone. Its feasible now, he just has to rearrange his thinking. But sometimes yes I believe maybe its just better this way. I have always been more needy and unable to be alone and I am learning slowly to be ok with being alone. Among other things. I am going out and doing things for myself and trying to move forward because I cant wait for a someday. I am trying not to contact him and let the ball be in his court.

    #96585
    Inky
    Participant

    Honestly, I would cast him loose. See other people. In ten years check back with him and see where he is if you both are single.

    It’s all too much, and I’m just reading it!

    #97299
    janet
    Participant

    Ok I wanted to post an update. Somehow this week we managed to turn our conversations around and he litterally did a 180. He has said that he wants me to come back And also said he is going to rent an apartment for us. He says he realizes that if I am going to put in the effort then he should too. BUT the kicker is will he really do it? Part of it involves me going back to work for him and hes promised me a raise. I know he needs me there as hes clearly not able to or willing to do a lot if things on his own. I knew he was going to come around to wanting me to come back as he always does but I never expected him to be gung ho about the apartmemt. But it is yet to be seen. Im not really counting on it. He has said he needs until mid April. He needs me back at work before may as thats the rush season amd otherwise he has to hire a girl. So i dont really know if he just says these things to get what he wants and “pits up” with me and is now getting the apt just to keep me quiet. I shouldnt think this way. I should think yes he loves me and hes committed and doing what it takes. But heres why my thinking is flawed. Tonight we are talking and he says-when we get the apt i want a nee coffee maker (a keurig. And he never buys the cheapest anything). Because the one i have im leaving at the shop. And I say- well I still have my keurig. And he says well its old and the coffe tastes nasty from it. Hmmm. Ok so now here i go trying to hold composure, try not to cry. Because I feel the argument coming. See as this conve is happening Im thinking we dont even have an apt yet and when we get it we will have no furniture or anything but clothes and a bed maybe a few dishes. A coffee maker is last on the priority list. And im already sensing that will be hard toconvey to him. And it was. It ended in the usual. Somehow he gets hell bent out of shape and reads me some riot act when i have yet to even open my mouth and make a point. I hung of on him. I called my bff. I cried an hour straight. I said to myself. Nothing about this man is changing. He changes our circumstances (possibly) but his attitude? Not so much. Well i had to get this out. I dont plan to talk to him. Im waiting to see what he does. But i really want to walk away. I want to stop fighting for him.

    #97312
    Inky
    Participant

    I love that he misses you so he says “Oh I need you back for this job and I’ll give you a raise. You can have the apartment but let’s argue about the coffee maker!” LOL

    Seriously ~ unless you NEED a job, don’t take his job offer. And don’t move in together or you will be crying for more than an hour, you know?

    Take a break from this character!

    • This reply was modified 8 years, 8 months ago by Inky.
    #97314
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear janet:

    Thank you for the update. You wrote: “I shouldnt think this way. I should think yes he loves me and hes committed and doing what it takes. But heres why my thinking is flawed.”

    I think… that you think what is true, what in reality is truly happening. If you are not sure, relax and re-examine what is from a fresh perspective, a “Beginner’s Mind”, look at things as if you were looking at those things for the first time.

    Why do you think that you should be thinking he loves you when he does not? Or when his kind of love is not truly love? Why?

    Think what is true, what is real, not wishful thinking, not what feels good to think at any one time. Think what is real.

    anita

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