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  • #127123
    Alana
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    I’m very new to this site and I’ve enjoyed reading and even responding to some forums, I guess now its my turn.
    I moved to Chicago about two years ago from New York. Went through an emotionally bad breakup, went back to living with my mom, working part time and faced really bad depression and even worst thoughts. After taking a weekend to visit a friend who lived in Chicago I decided ” what the heck, I need a change, I dont want to be stagnic” and I saved up as much money as I could within a month and packed by bags and left for the windy city. It was not easy at first. I took a job working overnights, I moved mid december and believe it or not its colder than New York city.It was lonely and unpredictable. Emotionally it was hard, I wasn’t the type to make such a drastic change. I stuck it out, kept telling myself that If I grew up in New York, I could make it anywhere. After sometime I started to get more comfortable, and probably this past summer was when I started to feel more confident in my decision, and the direction my life has headed. Getting my own place, getting a much better job and having a life that i created. Love on the other hand, has not found me yet. That can sometimes be hard. Being patient was never my strong suit.So I’ve continued focusing on me and began embracing the universe, mediating, and I love it, although im still so new to it. Learning to have faith in life, in myself, in the unknown. I’ve learned to love myself although i am human and i can be hard on myself as well.
    I guess all this to ask, how do you guys keep faith. How do you trust that there is love out there for you. Maybe this is the type of questions that hit you once you reach 30?I hope for the husband and kids one day, sometimes it scares me since I’m getting older especially with having children ya know. Are there any suggestions on how to broaden my mediating methods, music suggestions, books, something that helped or progressed you guys? I don’t have many friends on that same spiritual path. I’ve started this spirtual (not religious) journey. And It fills me. I feel that. how can I grow more in it?

    #127125
    Brav3
    Participant

    Hi Alana,

    Answer to your questions is very simple.

    1. How do you keep faith? By letting go fully.
    2. How do you trust that there is love out there for you? By not looking for love anymore.
    3. How can you grow more in it? By not trying to grow more.

    These all answers are what you meant to do in your meditation practice.

    I had a pretty rough breakup, 1 year ago. So, I understand your situation to some extent.

    When people lose one identity, could be job, relationship, family etc. they go to spiritual path to look for answers. However, they do completely opposite and create identity with spirituality and that’s when it becomes running in circles.

    The wanting, the trying, the looking, the searching, the keeping, the growing, they all are parts of the same problem. Meditation teaches you that. Not to grow and have wisdom and become enlightened like Buddha of this century but simply ‘how to let go fully’

    There are things that you can do something about, you must do something. Also, there are many things in life you cannot do anything about, you must leave it alone. If you can practice this, then you will see that there’s nothing going wrong with your life. Your life is going in right direction, and you are where you meant to be.

    Peace
    Brav3

    #127127
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Alana:

    Congratulations, my hat is off to you for moving to a new city alone, getting a job, then a better job, getting your own place- these are impressive achievements; I am impressed.

    You asked: “How do you trust that there is love out there for you”? and “how can I grow more in it (your spiritual journey?”

    I have a suggestion for the two questions and I will be developing it as I type: online dating. You live in a huge city, I just googled, says there are 2.72 million people in Chicago (2013). This means many thousands of single, available men exist in your city, and there must be a good number of those many thousands who are on a spiritual path compatible with yours. If you register in a respectable online dating site (I wonder if plenty of fish, one word, is still free of charge!) and put together a profile that clearly describes who you are and what you are looking for, and then, if you evaluate responses to your profile and read the profiles of others, you have the best chance to find a compatible partner.

    This suggestion wouldn’t work out very well if you lived in a small town, or far from a large urban center, but Chicago affords you the opportunity to use online dating to come across the greatest number of men and with great selectiveness, smart strategy of evaluating, it may bring you love and a partner to share and enrich your shared and individual spiritual journey.

    * Lots of people have a negative sentiment about online dating, but that is often, I believe, because of not using this resource effectively.

    anita

    #127129
    Alana
    Participant

    Brav3,

    I do appreciate your advice and outlook. I would like to say however, that my break was 3 years ago and my spiritual journey isn’t a direct reason for it. I’ve never looked at this as a fad or a way to get over something. I’ve delevoped myself on my own without any real thought to faith. I actually use to be really conservative Christian, until growing up and realizing that wasn’t for me. I’ve always felt a calling to nature and the universe, I do a lot of writing so self reflect and creativity as always within itself felt spiritual for me. I’ve just felt at this point in my life more drawn to it and learning more.
    But as far as your outlook and vantage point of mediating I do appreciate. Very informative and something for me to try. When I said grow In it I meant more so in my knowledge of it. I’ll def take your advice to heart. Thank you.

    #127130
    Alana
    Participant

    Anita,

    Thank you for the suggestion. I have tried online dating before. Not for me lol. I meant more having faith that I’ll meet someone not outlets to meet them. Meeting men isn’t a problem, just the right kind of man is hard. Which is just common in the dating world I guess.

    #127131
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Alana:

    I misunderstood what you were asking. You are asking for ideas about how to have FAITH that you will meet someone. I don’t have any suggestion about that because I don’t believe it is a matter of faith, passive faith. I think that meeting a man, “just the right kind of man” as you wrote, is a matter of action, not faith. I hope you do get a satisfactory answer here and am looking forward to read what it may be…

    Best to you, Alana, glad you posted!

    anita

    #127143
    Alana
    Participant

    Anita,

    My post is not only about meeting a man. As this is not a dating site. Its two questions in one topic. And sometimes it one doesn’t have advice to give its best to not say anything. Instead of saying I don’t have advice on that bec of …. etc.

    #127175
    Peter
    Participant

    I guess all this to ask, how do you guys keep faith. How do you trust that there is love out there for you? Maybe this is the type of questions that hit you once you reach 30?

    Great Questions.

    My observation is that such questions arise after a painful breakup and in the second half of life. What is Love, what’s love got to do with it… ‘it’ being faith in life, and knowing it as love…

    Reminds me of the resent movie Collateral Beauty where the main character defiantly accuse, Death, Love and Time for what is ultimately his loss of Faith in life.

    My observation that to answer the question of how to keep ones faith this thing we call love one should take some time to define for themselves what they mean by faith and love.

    Faith is a difficult concept to define because it’s about not knowing and acting as if anyway – Fear is to courage as doubt is to faith. It is often in times when we do not know and even doubt that we discover the truth of our faith (what we lean on to move us through)

    Today many I think equate faith with having to be certain in belief (and so become fanatical).
    There is a difference Acting within the certainty of one’s Faith (that life is Love) and having to be certain of one belief and call it faith in order to act correctly.

    Certainty does not require a Faith but times of uncertainty does. Such an understanding I think allows one to act with a strong even certain intention yet with humility and openness to learn.

    For example some said that because Mother Teresa expressed moments of doubt about God’s love, plan, justice… (Understandably) that she had lost her faith. BI don’t think so – even though she did not always understand she continued to act ‘as if’ (not a fake it to you make it thing) but an authentic ‘as if’, she leaned on her faith that God/life was/is love especially at times of doubt. And the remarkable thing was that in doing so she became the experience of Love and grace for those she served!

    Interestingly In fairy tales the question is often symbolized as being a key and interestingly the question and the doors it open is often more important than finding ‘a’ answer. If you are open to the method of symbolic language fairy tales can teach us a lot about love.

    Like dreams using the method each character in a story represents a part of the person reading it. For example the search of the prince for the princes is a uniting of action with being, feeling with thinking… Love within a bond that contends with both living in the world, the stuff of life, and the soul/being connection with ourselves and another. Is that what you mean when you talk about the love you hope to find/experience?

    Love is out there for you though and now that you are have asked the question you are called to the hero’s journey to discover where the question leads. Note that the question leads and that you cannot force it to an answer of your making. I think you will find that you will ‘find’ love in ways you did not expect

    Anyway sorry if that didn’t make any sense

    book suggestions

    I really liked Clarissa Pinkola Estés story skeletor women
    https://awakeningwomen.com/2010/07/04/skeleton-woman-a-love-story/
    Which is wonderfully expanded in her book Woman Who Run with the Wolves

    The Birth of Pleasure: A New Map of Love – by Carol Gilligan is also quite illumining
    Gilligan asks “why is love so often associated with tragedy. Why are our experiences of pleasure so often shadowed by loss? And can we change these patterns?

    I would also recommend How to Be an Adult in Love: Letting Love in Safely and Showing It Recklessly by David Richo

    #127183
    Alana
    Participant

    Peter,

    I was beginning to loose ‘faith’ that I would get an answer with understanding to what I was trying to ask. I thought “well they’re thinking I’m asking a very surface-y question”. So I’m grateful you responded.
    In reading your response I had a lot of “that makes sense” or “I kinda knew that” but doubted myself.
    I’ve heard about the movie Collateral Beauty with Will Smith right? I should check it out for a visual insight. And those books you recommended I will absolutely check out, I always love a good read especially if it can help answer questions, or give me a different perspective on topics about life, love, etc. I also appreciate the analogy with mother Theresa. And you made a valid point with “Fear is to courage as doubt is to faith”. It’s Something to keep in mind. Hell, to post in my apartment somewhere as a reminder!
    I was raised in a world where you question everything, and it was meant as a method of protection, but as I’ve gotten older I’ve noticed it can sometimes have the opposite outcome. Which is why sometimes I’m on the right track but boom I question it!
    I think you have a point on Redefining and truly understanding what faith is to me. Not putting this immense pressure on it. Just going with it. I’m sorry I probably sound scattered, just writing as I think, as I reread what you wrote. What I can say, is that I have every reason to have faith, we all have back stories and mine definitely although tough, screams “have faith”. And I don’t believe in a one kind/type of god, or entity. But I do believe in something much bigger than me. I believe in the beauty of this world even though it can seem ugly. I live in a studio apartment that I was blessed that it has a decent size roof that I use to mediate and I can see the beach from there, and I couldn’t tell you the amount of time I’ve spent there writing and feeling whatever I’m meant to. And I’m thankful that after such a long time of kinda going through the motions of a mundane life, I am now curious and thirst for knowledge. I just want to keep growing and understanding. I don’t ever want past experiences to taint me from the beauty of life and faith, as I’ve seen it do that to so many people that I love.
    Thank you again Peter, I enjoyed your reading your perspective. Thanks for the recommendations. And thanks for seeing my post as more than a “how can i get a man” kind of thing 🙂

    #127220
    Peter
    Participant

    Thanks for the kind words.

    I believe in the beauty of this world even though it can seem ugly

    I really like that!

    For me this statement of belief is also a statement of faith, something to lean on in moments of doubt and those times when the world can appear ugly.

    My own journey after asking the same questions about love and faith has lead me to work at being able to say Yes to Life as it is, all of it, the good the bad and the ugly and ‘know’ it as LOVE. I know that might sound at odds with many peoples expectation of love but for me that is has become a matter of faith.

    Saying that it is important to recognize that we experience Love in many different ways, on many different “planes” if you will. The statement above is about the plane of universal LOVE. That in the end all we experience and are is and can only be Love.

    Sorry if this feels like i’m jumping around

    The same week I saw Collateral Beauty I saw La La Land and to me I see them as being connected. The first about the coming to terms with LOVE and the other with love in relationship that points to LOVE.

    Spoiler
    On the surface la la land appears as a old time Hollywood musical and with that I think the expectation of a typical Hollywood ending.
    Two people meet fall in love, achieve there dreams and live together happy ever after. And the move shows a imagined version of that la la land dream but the story is deeper then that.

    The two meet and discover authentic love, and we get a sense that they are ‘soul mates’. This experience of love enables both of them to achieve their dreams or you might say calling or becoming. Watching we want them to have the happy ever ending and to have it all, but for them to become they can’t be together.

    Life it seems wants us to become and that this becoming overrides any notion of romantic love that at some level we may ache for, Even for ‘soul mates’. Love bitter sweet.

    I imagine as the two characters return to their lives after their chance meeting latter in life that they understand and so say ‘Yes to life as it is’, Love bitter sweet, and because of that all the more wondrous.

  • (In the experience of the soul mate I think one gets to discover ones soul and doing so realize that our soul mate was never another but always present within ourselves. We are our soul mate)
  • Anyway it sounds to me that you have indeed set on the hero’s journey of self discovery and I suspect along the way will discoverer that much of what find was never what you might have dream you were looking for.

    Love is their for you, the world beautiful, even when bitter sweet. Keep the faith

    “We shall not cease from exploration, and the end of all our exploring will be to arrive where we started and know the place for the first time.” – T. S. Eliot
    (And in that moment may you find yourself able to say YES. – that is my hope. Hope, Belief, Faith… Love)

    • This reply was modified 7 years, 9 months ago by Peter.
#127343
Alana
Participant

Peter,

Again thank you very much for your kind words and time to write to me. I love that ending quote by T.S Elliot. Its so true. And that’s what I want, to experience and learn and grow so much so that when I re-do any part of my life It’s as if experiencing it for the first time yet so much more knowledgeable, a wise deja-vu? lol. In speaking with my best friend over the weekend who will be joining me in the decade of the 30’s in a couple of weeks, we examined our lives since childhood and all of our experiences and how prepared, and wondrous of the new chapter in our lives. In wanting to FEEL more of life. Not just experience things visually but feel every moment and meaning of it. So I will do my best to keep faithful to the journey and each new chapter. I’m sure there is so much more to come. Moving to Chicago was such a whim, I could only imagine what other “I didn’t expect that” moments to come. Thank you again for listening. It’s the strangest things these forums, seeking advice from the unknown. But it’s an amazing outlet. Namaste

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