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  • #107811
    Nicole
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    Call me naive, but when I got married I expected that I could lean on my partner for support and encouragement. Lately however I fear that I exhaust him. Am I too demanding? Do I just need to become my own champion? I feel like I am alone and that I can’t rely on him at all and I have no idea what to do aside from stand up for myself. Our lives are busy and we have so much happening all at once but he is barely showing up and any request for help I make seems to be breaking him. I’ve tried talking to him, I’ve tried giving him space, but he seems to be struggling yet doesn’t think there’s anything wrong. Yet when I ask him for support he says he can’t give it to me. I feel like I’m going insane.

    #107813
    Anonymous
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    Dear nickersd:

    I used to think that a man is a strong specimen by nature of his sex, being male. I was wrong. There is nothing about a man that makes him constitutionally stronger than a woman other than body build in many cases. That is al: more hair, taller, thicker. Of course there is a whole lot of social pressure on men to take care of families and be strong. This is why men die significantly younger than women, as far as I know. Too much pressure.

    Who knows, a man may be weaker than he otherwise would be if not pressured to be so strong, a “real man.”

    If you look at your husband as a person, just like you, struggling like he is, needing your support just as much- or even more- than you become an equal partner, supporting as much as being supported.

    Having stated the above, which may be relevant to your marriage- is it?- or not- can you give me a couple of examples of the support you ask from him that he doesn’t provide?

    And what makes you think you are exhausting him?

    anita

    #107814
    Nicole
    Participant

    No, not so much that. I work in a male dominated environment, and grew up with older brothers. I know men are just as people like us girls and in truth often need a little bit more support because of the pressure society puts on them. We have a little man ourselves, a 14-month old bundle of energy. Perhaps that’s a part of it, I mean I had post natal depression and I got the help I needed to deal with it, but could it be that he has some lingering issues of his own??

    He is just exhausted, yet fully able to get sleep every night while I deal with baby. He’s work is busy but no more than usual, and despite me pretty much running the household, looking after baby and working part time, the smallest requests I make of him seem to cripple him.

    An example, last night I asked him to prepare two bottles for baby’s daycare today while I bathed baby and got him ready for bed. Husband went into full meltdown because at first he couldn’t find bottles so came and asked me where there were, when I responded that they might need to be washed, he started cursing and thumping things in the kitchen.

    Another example, on Friday I asked him if he could please fold the laundry while he watched the football on tv while I made dinner. Again this was met with cursing and exasperation.

    After I’d had a difficult day, my dad just getting some medical tests results that weren’t great, dealing with a sick bubba and a massive project at work, I asked him for a hug and to tell me that everything would be ok, and he said he was trying to be positive but that I asked for too much.

    I’m now feeling like I can’t ask him for support or help which makes me think that he’s struggling in himself.

    #107817
    Anonymous
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    Dear nickersd:

    If you would like to share more so that I can gain some understanding:
    How old is he, you?
    How long did you know/ date him before getting married?
    How long married?
    How did he handle your post natal depression: how long did it last? How long ago did it end? Was he helpful then?
    Was he helpful and supportive before? When did he become overwhelmed with your simplest, reasonable requests? If he was supportive and relatively calm at one time, when did the change occur?
    Did you have a good communication in the past and that changed? Did he share with you his thoughts and feelings and then stopped?
    What are his behaviors with your son? What kind of a father is he?

    These are a lot of questions and I have more, but I stopped asking so to not be completely unreasonable myself. I will be back at the computer in 10 hours or so. If you answer any or all of these questions, I will read your post very attentively first thing tomorrow morning and reply there best I can.

    Take care of yourself-
    anita

    #107821
    Nicole
    Participant

    🙂

    He is 45, I’m 36.
    We got to know each other at rowing for a year before we started dating then 2 years later we were married and have been married for 3 years.
    He handled the PND well, I think, but struggled if I asked him to be my cheerleader. If I had a bad day and felt the need to vent, he couldn’t just tell me that it would be ok and that I was doing a good job, which is all I really needed and asked for, instead he would get overwhelmed. So I generally try to be my own cheerleader but maybe once a month I’ll actually tell him I’m having a tough day and ask for support and he has been able to cope with that.
    He’s been struggling a lot more recently, over the past few weeks maybe. Getting forgetful, not able to handle the tasks he usually can manage and has had some health issues of his own that he had to go to the doctor about.
    He’s a bit of an emotional black hole. Getting him to talk about his feelings is near impossible and he’s always said that he shows me he loves me rather than tell me, but lately he hasn’t been showing much of anything.
    With our son he’s up and down. He’s not the most patient person and gets easily frustrated and will raise his voice if our son is resisting a nappy change for example. I think he struggles with the daily grind like we all do with a young child, but he also has trouble in seeing the magic and embracing the chaos.

    #107837
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear nickersd:

    I re-read your first two posts and the most recent. It seems clear to me, the situation, not tough to see what is clearly there: your husband suffers from anxiety, ongoing distress, more so in the last few weeks. This is why he is forgetful- that happens when we are anxious, distressed. His difficulty with accomplishing simple tasks, same thing: that is what happens when one is distressed. So he is trying to keep his head above water, is in a survival mode himself, and so, understandably (and unfortunately for you) he doesn’t have the calm required to help you.

    You met at rowing, you mean the sport?

    Then the two of you started dating when he was 40 and you were 31. And I suppose it is his first marriage and his first child. Obviously having a child is distressing him, no doubt. I met people in their 40s-50s who said that if they had babies now, they wouldn’t be able to do it, that they were able to do it in their 20s/ early 30s, but wouldn’t have the patience or energy later in life. He was 43 or so when your son was born.

    So although his work load is the same as before, the daily grind of having an active toddler is wearing him out. It is not suiting him so far, being a father to a toddler. I suppose he wants the quiet life he had before, coming home, watching TV, relaxing. And his health problems and getting older likely taking a toll on him.

    He doesn’t want to talk about his feelings because he is trying to keep his awareness away from his distress, trying to ignore it the best he can. Talking about his feelings will require him to be aware- as he talks- of how uncomfortable he feels so much of the time. He prefers to.. forget about it, best he can.

    And he can’t embrace the chaos outside of him because he is threatened by the chaos (the anxiety, distress) inside of him. He can’t see the magic in life because he functions on a survival mode, keeping his head above water.

    What to do, I ask myself. If I was you, that is…I would have to let go of my expectations (the title of your thread) and accept the reality that is in front of me. It is often not fair and not just but rejecting it will only bring more misery. Accepting reality brings relief and makes for a better life. First you accept what-is, then you get clarity regarding what you can do, or not do.

    I wouldn’t pressure him at all to talk about his feelings: he can’t handle talking about his feelings, too distressing for him. What I would do instead is talk about setting a routine schedule for him where it is his job every day, let’s say, to prepare those bottles for day care. His job, every day. This way he gets used to the job, knows where to find the bottles (leave them at the same place for him to find- that would be your job), wash them, if that place is the sink, and prepare them. The task being the same daily will take away from the overwhelming part of it, for him. He can do it automatically that way, routinely. Figure out the other tasks you want him to do and present them for him in the same way, a routine for him, tasks he can do the same way every day.

    Watch out for him raising his voice at your son and otherwise expressing his distress at your son. This is not acceptable as it will hurt your child. This is not to be compromised with. In fact, he must not mistreat you as well. This too is not for compromise. Do assert yourself in these two areas as they are the most important.

    Outside the routine tasks, when he comes back from work and otherwise, let him relax in front of the TV and otherwise. He needs it. Let him sleep. Sure it would have been nice if he was calm and strong but it is not the case. He would have preferred it himself, to be calm. He is not simply choosing to be anxious, he is.

    What do you think so far?

    anita

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