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  • #99319
    medalami2
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    Am trying to pass over this situation but, somehow, I got the feeling that am only getting deeper. This sucks truly because I no longer know –I know I have said this many times- what to do, my genuine feeling is that even if I try to pace this back togather there will always be a feeling of lost and betrail, and I promis you that much it is not a good feeling at all.
    I am sure am not doing everything correctly, and am sure I had a lot of problems and issues but come on, she went out partying out with friends and that’s all I know.
    She went out and I fucking was talking to her over the phone, while I went to fucking bed, can you imaginge living in this situation when traveling aboard, can you imagine the feeling of that when you are away on business or what ever the fuck you are doing and she is just going out ???????? these are all questions that I do not have answers to but most confidently I do not believe it will be the last time she will do that.
    I do genuinely believe I am in for more hard aches simply because I can not leave fearing that I will not find some one else to replace her, that is my genuine feeling right now, and it sucks to be in this situation it really does.
    I do not want to lose someone who loves me, but I do not want to be with someone whom I cannot trust fully, I did my best or at least I think I consumed my very best to be patient, this is a fucking bad feeling to feel especially when nothing is going on the way it should.
    I really cannot feel anything other than sadness taking over my hyped fun, I really do wish she never did that.
    Now the case is, I have a girlfriend, whom I love and care for, and would do pretty much anything for her, except quitting smoking of course hahaha.
    This girlfriend of mine we had a lot of fun with each other, and while she was with me, and I was taking things very serious, and she knew I was taking things very serious, and actually admitted to me that she is also taking me extermly serious and she is not the type of girls that is only for the fun part, she was using a small nasty application called TINDER, now tinder is known to hook up girls with boys, it is known to facilitate that kind of business among youngsters and older people for what it matters.
    Now when I was talking to her, I always had issues, but dumb issues like per say why didn’t you call, how come you did not text, this is not cool by any means from my side, but just because I had nothing and still have nothing going on my plate. Later on I discovered that she was using this app to hook up with gents, and she actually did hook up with someone, a doctor, and I learned this from her, now at this point in time that’s the only thing I knew, but later on, I discovered on my on that she actually used it on a different occasion to pick up dudes or have dudues pick her app while in vacation, now that is not at all funny nor interesting, but actually feels like someone stabbed you right in the chest, by now any reader would tell me you should quiet this relationship, oh boy, not me, I fucking decided to stay for multiple reasons though, I decided to stay because I thought she is the one, I thought that If I lose her, I won’t find anything as good as she is ever in my life, I wont find someone who makes me laugh the way she did, I wont find someone who would help me enjoy life as she did, and I still strongly believe that this is the case, that if I leave I wont find anyone who would help me enjoy life, and I do not know how to fucking live by myself especially in the fucking fucked up situation I am in.
    Now, I did stay but we had a big fight and everything was gona lead to us leaving each other, or me leaving her at least, looking back right now, I do not know why she never tried to leave at all while looking for the other dudes to hooke up with, I would have been much better off, as I wouldn’t have to make the big decision, why the fuck did she decide to stay that’s beyond me.
    But anyhow, I stayed she stayed we all stayed togather, and decided to patch things up, we had what you call an epic call and we = she expressed her deep remorse over things and that she is a changed gale, but thre or four days later she decides to go out with friends and says to me: can I go out we will be back by 1:30 max, I say to her sure, if its only dinner, but boy did it hurt when she told me she actually went clubbibng, oh boy did that night was hard on me as fuck, oh boy did I fucking had a terrible ache in my heart and soul, I felt like I was in a deep pit and she was stoning me to death, I never ever had a terrible night that compares to that one, and I decided after that one that I will never have to experience the ach I did back than, now surely you are saying to your self, you guys brooke up, and did not stay togather, will here is the freaking catch, I forgived her, and forgot about it, I actually did not say much about it, I just lived with it. And we were again happy with each other, I even fucking paied for a vacation in turkey (yup I am a fucking morone) while I had all my savings exhausted, I know I know, I am pretty stupid, but what can you say to some one who fears being alone, that’s why I think I kep doing what am doing, that’s why I kept the relationship alive while I should of killed it months ago.
    Now you must be wondering where am I with it, will actually this is not all that has been wrong with this relationship, other than what she did above, I kind of flinged and start the serious-jealousy boyfriend them, and started to control more and more of her life, in ways, do not talk to that, don’t go out, I do not want anyone calling your phone and the list goes on.
    Now the differences that I had with this girl, evolved around mainly three things, the first thing was, the enumours male friends she had, which I stated I can not accept simply because I don’t like guys talking to my future wife to be every now and than, now this was clear to her from day 0, and slowly I can say or at least think she no longer kept contact with many male friends.
    Second thing was, clothing, am not cool with having a girlfriend and a future wife who does not care what she shows of her body, I can not let her go out with mini skirts nor with v tops that shows half a boob and the last thing was I can not accept here going out to clubs, though occasionally I would allow it to be.
    Now the situation I am in right now, is for another time, she decided to go out behind my back, with the girls – or so she said- enjoy night in a club, I know deep down that probably nothing happened, but this really dimishes the trust between us.

    What do you think of this, and any advise you can give?

    #99338
    Anonymous
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    Dear medalami2:

    I read your post and noticed that in your despair, you still have a sense of humor.

    You wrote repeatedly that you shouldn’t be with her but you are because you are afraid to be alone, that no one will make you as happy as she sometimes does. You are obviously very attached to her and like her except for her hooking up with other men, for her having male friends (fewer now, you wrote), going clubbing and dressing in very revealing clothes.

    You do refer to her as a possible “future wife” so obviously you are not ready to leave the relationship with her. But you are very distressed about the relationship as is.

    Regarding advice: I advise you to talk to her so to get information from her about her and how she sees the relationship with you. Then you evaluate the information she gives you. Can you share a conversation you had with her on matters important to you, like her hooking up with other men, or clubbing. Can you relay how a conversation with her went: what did you say to her, what did she say to you, back and forth, so that I get an understanding about how the two of you communicate with each other?

    anita

    #99354
    medalami2
    Participant

    Hi Anita,

    thank you for your reply and thoughts, and yes, i do agree with you that i would like to keep this alive, i also should mentione, by hooking up, i mean she met in one occasion a male through the said app, and confessed later to me.

    i did have a conversation with her last week about this, and i tend to block my emotions when i talk to her in these matters so that i do not do any reaction that could be interpeted else way.

    she was the one actually saying to me that she went out last night without my knowledge, and that she regrets it alot and it was pressured by her girlfriends to go out, she also mentionned that though she went with them, she could not stay in the club after she went in, so she went out to wait in the car in the parking lot untill her friends went out and she got home an hour and half later.
    she made it clear that she did not enjoy it and that she regrets it a lot.
    well on the other hand, i told her that she made her decision to go against my well and our agreement – as we agreed she will never do that again before- and that, although her friends forced her, no one forced her to wear clothes, put make up, start the car, go pick up her friends and go to the club, these were all her decisions.

    my problem anita, though i am attached to this girl, i can not forget what she did in the past and that destroys the trust i can have with her.
    hope this gives you an idea of whats going on, i honestly think i could forgive her but i will always flinge when i see somthing and will live in doubt for my futur days, and boy do i tell you it is not the greatest way to live a life.

    Med

    #99392
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Med:

    I have no doubt that your communication with her can be improved: you stated that you tend to block your emotions when talking to her so that you don’t “do any reaction that could be interpreted else way.” I don’t know what you mean by it, except that your communication with her is not effective this way.

    On the other hand, regardless of the verbal communication between the two of you, your trust in her, understandably, has been broken by her doing, her choosing. She seems to be impulsive, making her choices (hooking up that one time, going to the club after promising not to) quickly, without much thought, as a quick reaction to pressure from others or the pressure from any distress she is feeling at this or that moment.

    You can’t reasonably trust a very impulsive person, as she appears to be. It will not be sensible to trust her because you cannot eliminate future pressures on her: pressures of others and pressures within her. Someone will pressure her again to go clubbing … And she will again feel distress, loneliness, whatever it is and feel pressured, from within herself, to relieve the pressure by bringing about a hook up or something like that.

    Therefore, it is probably… for your own best interest to end the relationship with her. Let me know if there is a reason why you think you cannot form a relationship next with a non- impulsive woman…?

    anita

    #99424
    medalami2
    Participant

    Thank you anita for your words, yup she tends to be impulsive, i am also a bit impulsive by tend to prioritize her feeling.
    i do not have any problem forming future relationships, but it is hard to get that one to click with.
    i am a strong beliver that if a window is broken in your house you should fix it and not get rid of it, but i have been mistaken before.
    i am staying with her for a couple of reasons as stated above, but my personality is built in a sense that i try to work on things and never give up, i wort this thread hoping that i get some clarity from someone as you outside that stands on higher ground as being within a situation can cloud your judgment.
    i am willing to give her a chance, and see if this will actually work one last time, a chance that will be tied with terms to which she should comply.
    when last i talked to her i could sense in her words honesty and regret, i could sense that she truly is seeking forgivness, but you never know do you… hopefully things wiil get togather this time.

    thank you a lot.

    #99433
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear med:

    It is not always a good policy to never give up. often it is the right choice to give up. Depending on what or whom you are giving up. If she is a very impulsive woman, feeling regret about her impulsive acts will not stop her. Such is the nature of being impulsive. At the moment of impulsivity, past regrets are forgotten. Isn’t it so for you when you are impulsive?

    There are ways to become less impulsive, to tolerate internal distress without rushing to alleviate it, which is what impulsivity is about: oh, I can’t stand this discomfort, so I am going to do the easiest and fastest thing I can do to relieve my distress!

    There are ways to endure discomfort, impulses, urges and instead of automatically reacting to … breathe deeply, soothe oneself somehow (long walk, aerobic exercise, yoga and such)… good psychotherapy can teach all kinds of techniques. It takes work and learning of skills. There are all kinds of 12 step support groups to help people with impulsive behaviors, programs that are free.

    Since you are going to give her another chance, keep your communication with her ongoing. Ask her question about how she feels, not questions to interrogate her, but to show interest in her feelings and thought and to get information about her state of mind, her motivations, struggles and such. Ask and listen during this last Chance time. Do your best to show her that you understand her struggles, her distress (as she expresses it to you), that you are there for her. Give it your best shot so to maximize the chances of success of this last chance.

    And please post again.

    anita

    #99435
    Michelle
    Participant

    Dear Med,

    After reading your original post, I have a few things that might be helpful for you to consider. First, I admire your willingness to forgive her for her betrayal of your trust. Forgiveness is not always an easy thing to give. It’s obvious that you do not trust her, and you are definitely justified in that. Your trust was shattered when she hooked up with other men. Understandable. However, it sounds like even though she confessed and says she regrets it, is she doing anything now to try to regain your trust? You stated that she went out clubbing because her friends “forced” her to but she waited out in the car for a couple of hours until they were done…do you honestly believe that deep down in your gut?? Are you both meeting each others needs in the relationship? Do you each know what the others needs are?? I understand that you feel attached to her, but it seems that you are looking for your self worth to be validated by her. You are worthy with or without her! You stated that you cannot “let” her dress a certain way or do certain things. You cannot and should not want to control another person like that. You are both adults and are free to do what you please. There are definitely boundaries that should be established in relationships and you each should decide what the “deal breakers” are, things that will not be tolerated. You do not deserve to live in such distress with the situation as it is. You deserve a happy life with a woman who only has eyes for you, and someone worthy of you and all you have to offer. She is out there…

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