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November 8, 2017 at 11:44 am #177043CarlaParticipant
My ex and I had a pretty toxic relationship. No abuse, per se, just lots of emotional struggle, we were on again off again, etc. He struggles with substance abuse, depression, suicidal tendencies, and most likely PTSD from the murder/suicide of his parents. He admitted early on he’s been cheated on frequently, and he has trust issues. He also talked openly about his perceived inability to love.
When we first started dating it was beautiful. We had terrible issues with communication, however. I had invited him on a big trip of mine but when the trip came, I went without him because he never really talked about it after his initial agreement to go. During this trip he called regularly and kept telling me how excited he was about our relationship. The night I returned, however, he sat me down on the couch and he said he hated his job, hated this town (He’d just moved here 6 months prior) and wanted to leave. He never explicitly said he wanted to leave ME, but… in retrospect… I should have left. Instead began the cycle of “Are we together? No. Yes. No. Yes.” He’d “try” to end it with me, I’d talk him out of it, and we’d keep going. Once I tried to end it, and a week later he ended up at my door and we were back “together.”
I always got mixed signals from him. And I know he got mixed signals from me. He would call me every day and talk for hours; he’d say things like “This is the longest relationship I’ve been in since my parents died,” he said meeting his sisters was a huge deal, and referred to me as his significant other. I initially had been the one to suggest we maintain a more “friends with benefits” situation the first time he tried to end it, but when he kept referring to it as a relationship I decided that’s what it was and got more emotionally invested. We continued to do things like go to weddings together, go on trips, etc. We shared deeply intimate secrets, he claims he told me things about himself that he’s only told his therapists in the past. Some of these things were… very dark and disturbing, including suicidal thoughts. I should add that all this time he was planning on moving states, and I knew that.
Anyways. About 3 weeks ago it finally ended. It came to a head when I sat him down and suggested he might need some professional therapy to deal with his issues. He became irate, said his problems were none of my business, and shut me out. He calmed down a week or so later, after which we met 2 more times to “talk”, and finally he ended it on the phone. It was a relief. He texted me the next day saying he needed to make his own happiness and do his own thing. That would have been fine, but he went on to say “maybe” we could have moved together if I hadn’t said what I’d said to him. He said me telling him he needed therapy had made him sick to his stomach, that it was something he couldn’t unhear. Essentially he blamed me for the demise of the relationship. We said our parts and let it go.
2 weeks pass and I made the mistake of looking at his facebook. He had a picture of him and some girl up. I might have let it pass were it not for the comment of a mutual acquaintance saying “I know those two!” This woman was someone we’d both met during our relationship, so the only way she would know this girl is if she’d met them WHILE he and I were dating.
I did the stupid thing and texted him and accused him of cheating. He got angry and proceeded to tell me I was crazy and he wished he’d been able to break up with me the first time, and the only reason he stayed with me was because I guilted him in to it. He said I pressured him by saying I loved him, and gave him mixed signals all the time, saying one day I was in love with him, the next I just wanted to be f*** buddies. He said never to contact him again. I didn’t.
I can’t tell you how much those words pained me. 2 days later he texted me again and said he’d calmed down, but still couldn’t understand why I’d accused him of cheating and that he never would do that to me. He proceeded to talk about how he’d been recently arrested for a DUI and was hospitalized for alcohol poisoning, so I know he’s struggling. He eventually called me and we spoke for a half hour. I told him how much it hurt to know he stayed with me out of pity and if I’d known that I would have left. He softened and said something like “I never would have spent so much time with you and talked with you about so much if you didn’t mean something,” and asked me to believe him. I don’t believe him, but I told him I did just to let it go. We chatted a little more about our lives, had some laughs, and ended it on a mellow note. He said “All is forgiven,” like I was the only one that had ever done anything wrong. I hated that.
The idea that a man was with me out of pity makes me sick. How do I get past that? I am planning on getting some therapy, but in the meantime… what can I do to get rid of this horrible feeling? My stomach is in knots and I’m just so worried that this will affect my future relationships. How did you get over something terrible your ex said?
November 8, 2017 at 12:31 pm #177067AnonymousGuestDear Carla:
You wrote: “He got angry and proceeded to tell me I was crazy and he wished he’d been able to break up with me the first time, and the only reason he stayed with me was because I guilted him in to it. He said I pressured him by saying I loved him…He said never to contact him again.”
He was angry at you. When a person is angry at another, he or she has the intent to hurt the other. It is the same with other animals: the natural motivation in anger is to hurt another. Reason may be to protect one’s territory, an example.
This is what he tried to do, to hurt you and he succeeded.
Later you wrote: “I told him how much it hurt to know he stayed with me out of pity and if I’d known that I would have left. He softened and said something like ‘I never would have spent so much time with you and talked with you about so much if you didn’t mean something,’ and asked me to believe him. I don’t believe him”
Notice, he softened, being less angry or not angry at this point. He is not motivated therefore to hurt you. And so he told you that his relationship meant for him more than pity, that it meant “something”.
What is true? Clearly the relationship with you meant something to him, from your sharing, I figure that. Maybe he felt guilty and maybe he felt pressure at this or that point in time, during the relationship. I would trust way more what he told you in the second quote than what he did in the first. What he told you when angry was in its entirety an untruth.
anita
November 8, 2017 at 12:32 pm #177069AnonymousGuest* didn’t get submitted correctly…
November 8, 2017 at 12:48 pm #177075CarlaParticipantThank you Anita. I suppose I’m struggling so much because I know, for me personally, when I say something in anger, there is a truth to it. For instance I very much wanted to say to him “You’re a narcissist and you NEVER think of anyone other than yourself!” I didn’t, but I do truly think that.
He invalidated my feelings of love for him (which I actually am not sure were genuine but again, I would absolutely never say that to him), which wounded me.
But yes… I do know, deep down, that I was important to him on some level. This has been my first relationship that has ended so messily and I’m just completely shocked by my behavior. I should have let sleeping dogs lie.
November 9, 2017 at 6:04 am #177141AnonymousGuestDear Carla:
Well, you don’t believe it is true that he “NEVER think of anyone other than (himself)”, if you believed that, you wouldn’t also “know, deep down, that (you were) important to him”. When we are angry, we think in extreme terms. When calm we are able to think more realistically. This means that (as I wrote earlier) at times he may have felt guilty as a motivation to be in a relationship with you. But those were only at times. At other times he was in the relationship with you because you were important to him.
When we are angry we make believe that something that is true some of the time, or in part, is true all of the time and completely.
You wrote that his parents died in a homicide/ suicide event, any details about that, what lead to it and his experience with it?
anita
November 9, 2017 at 6:41 am #177143CarlaParticipantI can believe that he occasionally felt guilted into staying with me. There were times where I felt as though I remained with him out of a sense of obligation, as I was concerned about his mental well being. I did try to leave him once, but he showed up at my doorstep a week later and we resumed our dance.
My ex’s father was extraordinarily hard on him. He expected – demanded – perfection and would constantly judge and criticize him. Things his father said to him YEARS ago he would tell me about and admit they they still irritate and hurt him to this day.
His father, to me, sounded as though he suffered from depression. My ex said shortly before his father’s death he told him that his children were grown, he was retired, and he felt as though he really had no more purpose left to his life. His marriage was on the rocks… he was not living with his wife at the time. My ex was present at the time of the homicide/suicide, although he was outside of the house with the police so he didn’t personally witness it. This occurred 6 years ago when he was 25.
He said he very seriously considered suicide after the death of his parents but sought out some therapy and tried to deal with it. He constantly said to me “I hate using the death of my parents as an excuse for my behavior, but..” and then would go on to justify whatever he’d done using the pain of his parents’ death as a reason. I never blamed him for that – I always said I understood that the loss of his parents is something that will always affect him. However, my ex never personally accepted responsibility for really any of the major issues in his life. It was always the fault of someone else.
Anyhow… I’m trying to put him behind me. I do not think we will ever communicate with each other again, which is probably for the best. Part of me was attracted to him BECAUSE he was so unstable… I wanted to help him, to fix him. The darkness in him was alluring. I know all of this is unhealthy and I will be seeking therapy to help understand why I am that way.
- This reply was modified 7 years ago by Carla.
November 9, 2017 at 6:57 am #177153AnonymousGuestDear Carla:
His experience with his father was damaging to him before the his parents’ death.
The reason you found “The darkness in him … alluring” is probably because of your own darkness, that is, things you are not fully aware of. I hope you find out those things in quality psychotherapy. If you would like to share here for possible insight, please do, particularly, about how you felt as a child, wanted… or not wanted by your parents?
anita
November 9, 2017 at 6:59 am #177155AnonymousGuest* didn’t get submitted correctly again…
November 9, 2017 at 7:40 am #177159CarlaParticipantI don’t really remember my childhood… I know I was a particularly difficult child. My mom said they wanted to put me in therapy frequently but I would get so irate about it that they never did. She said I was always very sensitive to noises, didn’t like being touched, and had a tendency towards anger. I still have anger issues – there are times when I will get so mad I’ll see red – but I am much better at managing it. My ex said he was the same way… used to punch holes in walls, scream at his girlfriends, but with age he had gotten better with it.
However my parents were quality parents. My father worked a LOT and traveled a lot, and my mom suffered from migraines very frequently, but I don’t remember anything negative about them. I never felt unwanted, but honestly… I don’t really care if my parents want me or not. We were your standard family. I have a younger brother who I am close to.
- This reply was modified 7 years ago by Carla.
November 9, 2017 at 8:48 am #177179AnonymousGuestDear Carla:
You wrote: “I don’t really care if my parents want me or not”- I have no doubt that you used to care, as a child. A child cares, a whole lot.
You wrote: “We were your standard family”- you “don’t really remember (your) childhood”. Interestingly, I don’t remember much of my own. Is not remembering the standard, I wonder? Otherwise, what can be standard about a family one does not remember.
What you know about the child that you were is what you were told, not necessarily true. What if it is not you who were the difficult one, what if it was your parents who were difficult.
Indeed, light needs to be shed and soon enough this can start to happen, gradually, in quality psychotherapy. I hope you post again.
anita
November 9, 2017 at 9:10 am #177187CarlaParticipantI do not doubt I was difficult. I was an angry person. My father and I constantly fought. My parents have been nothing but supportive of my life choices, but, and I realize this is cold, I care very little if they’re part of my life anymore. I live a very different life than them and my brother, and I have difficulty relating to them or enjoying myself around them anymore.
I have been aware for many years that my persona is not “healthy,” that I do not live life “normally.” I am a transient – I can only live in one place for a couple of years before needing to move on. I meet people, make friends, relationships, but once I leave, I generally leave those people behind and never think of them again. I am currently considering a cross-country move. It is time for me to leave again.
It is only in the last 2 years or so that I have actually begun to desire a romantic relationship with another person. In the past I have not cared. My ex was the first person since my cousin (who died a few years ago) that I was able to truly reveal myself to. Everyone else in my life sees a facade. I convinced myself that I loved my ex, but now that I am away from him, I question that as well. I’m not sure I know what love feels like. I think I desire it though.
Anyhow, these are all issues for a therapist, but I admit, it’s really freeing to say all these things out loud.
- This reply was modified 7 years ago by Carla.
November 9, 2017 at 9:39 am #177199AnonymousGuestDear Carla:
You wrote: “I realize this is cold, I care very little if they’re part of my life anymore”- I do not think at all that this is cold of you. I have terminated contact with my mother four years ago. It would have been so much better for me if I did so forty years ago. Thing is, four years of no contact and I am more empathetic to people then I was before, warmer, so to speak.
Regarding being a difficult angry child- I don’t believe children are born angry and difficult, perhaps in very extreme cases, but far from usually. I think that an angry and difficult child is a reaction, it happens after a child reaches out to her parents with nothing but love, receiving back… something other than love.
anita
November 9, 2017 at 9:40 am #177201AnonymousGuestyet again, not submitted…
November 9, 2017 at 10:12 am #177213CarlaParticipantI guess I feel it is cold because my parents have done nothing to warrant my apathy towards them. My mother did make a comment to me recently when I was trying to figure out what to do with my dog during a business trip. She said “This is what happens when single working people have pets,” and that cut me to the core, particularly because she was well aware that my ex and I had just separated.
Since then I have been respectful but curt with her. She doesn’t understand why and I don’t desire to discuss it with her. In many ways I realize I’m behaving just as my ex did when I told him I thought he needed therapy. We were disturbingly similar – perhaps that is why things got so messy.
I genuinely don’t recall having a bad childhood. We went on vacations, did family things… I’ve just never been able to connect with my parents on an emotional level. Our relationship is quite superficial. Really… I don’t connect with anyone on an emotional level, except for my ex. That loss is profound for me.
November 9, 2017 at 10:20 am #177223AnonymousGuestDear Carla:
You believe that your parents “have done nothing to warrant (your) apathy towards them”-
what do you think then does warrant your apathy toward them?
anita
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