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  • #282557
    J
    Participant

    Hi,

    I am a new member. I am a 20-year-old female college student on the east coast. I transferred from community college to a four-year school three and a half hours away from home. For 20 years prior to this, I lived at home and it wasn’t great. My parents were in a domestic violence relationship for those 20 years. My mother was the abuser to my father, and I suppose to my younger brother and me to an extent.

    Mixing this with my highly sensitive personality bred anxiety and depression starting in elementary school. My father was my rock during this time, and throughout my life, and she used this against us. This dynamic bred co-dependency and unhealthy coping/thinking.

    To deal with my ever-lingering depression and anxiety, I read tiny buddha, sometimes see a therapist, and take medication. I don’t talk to people very much about it, and my father not as much. I’ve always been very independent and self-sufficient and I always thought that if I left and came to school, it would be better. It is in some ways, but not in others.

    I thought I would go into a helping profession, and so those are the classes I’m taking. Through introspection and tears, I discovered I felt like I had to do this. I feel very similar to SeekingSolace and how he felt so guilty for all the bad in the world. My classes are about oppression, suffering, starvation, sickness… my science and math classes are my only reprieve, and I do not enjoy those subjects. I’m now trying to take action to change my major, but I don’t know if that would help. I can’t un-learn what I’ve been fed and told to swallow. Our current political climate and division of people, as well as the ability for news to travel from all over the world, does not help me. I have so much. So many others don’t.

    While I think this, I am struggling with my own depression and anxiety. It is very difficult to get up every day and be reminded of the horrors of the world, and it has made me feel like I contribute to other people’s suffering because I’m White and privileged compared to so many others. I feel like my existence causes suffering. And this makes me angry. I don’t want to be this way, but I don’t want to serve others right now. I’ve held people up my whole life and I’m tired. But I do feel like people of color can look at me and make judgments that stem from the unfairness that my ancestors and people have/continue to put them through.

    I also think this knowledge about the world has worsened my anxiety. The only place I really feel safe is in my dorm. I’m waiting for something bad to happen, for someone to “find me out” and tell me all of the bad, wrong things I’ve done that have hurt people. For some reason, I imagine a man saying this to me, that I’ve taken something from him, that I’m a fraud. I feel like people of color have every right to hate me because of what my race has done and because I have so much and so many people don’t. And I’m ashamed about that.

    I give so much information here because I’m wondering if someone can see something I don’t. I haven’t talked about this issue in particular out loud because I feel ashamed about it. My fear is in the wrong place. My fear is ripping my power away from me. And I feel like I have to keep swallowing this horror because if I don’t, if I “ignore” it, I’m a bad person. I don’t have many people to lean on, and I’m wondering if this external pain is a reflection of what’s happening inside me. I am afraid that my pain will never go away. But I have enough where I can still get up every day and do what I need to do.

    There is so much more to me, and there’s so much I haven’t said, but right now the social anxiety and shame are the biggest burdens on me. I live with three great other women, and I have friends, but I feel very alone regardless. Every day I try to do what I can to make the world a better place, to be kind, but with this stress, it is very difficult to be non-judgmental, accepting, calm, etc.

    Thank you for reading my story. I appreciate any thoughts or words of wisdom. Namaste.

    #282603
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Justina:

    You write so skillfully, with talent, clarity and insight, a delight to read.

    You wrote: “I’m wondering if someone can see something I don’t”- after reading your post attentively, this is what I see:

    1. For twenty years, during all of your Formative Years, those years of childhood, you lived in a domestic violence situation, in a home where you witnessed your mother abusing your father and your younger brother, and you suffered direct abuse from her as well. You wrote: “Mixing this with my highly sensitive personality bred anxiety and depression”-

    -every child is highly sensitive and every child is severely affected by repeating violence/ abuse at home. As a young child you didn’t have a personality, you were still forming, there was no personality yet. If you lived in a calm, safe home, you would now be as calm as a human can be.

    2. You wrote that your father has been your rock throughout your life. If he was a rock, he would have taken you and your younger brother out of that home of violence.

    3. You wrote: “I have so much. So many others don’t…  I’m White and privileged compared to so many others”- it is not a privilege to spend your life so far in domestic violence. It is not a privilege to suffer from an “ever-lingering depression and anxiety”.

    We live in a time when food is plentiful, a person from long ago would be shocked to take a walk in today’s supermarket, bamboozled. Taking a walk in Macy’s would also be shocking, the luxury. We do enjoy material luxury, being able to buy all kinds of food and clothes, some more than others but everyone is more privileged materially than people of long ago.

    Problem is there is plenty of food and material things but also plenty of aggression; a scarcity of safety and love. We are under-privileged when it comes to what matters most. It is not much fun, is it, to be well fed but to suffer from an ever lingering depression and anxiety, is it.

    Reading your story, I see an under-privileged person, not a privileged person.

    4. We keep experiencing as adults, the childhood experience that we had. “I’m waiting for something bad to happen”- just as you did as a child. The reason that you keep waiting for something bad to happen is not because you are now more knowledgeable about world troubles and politics, but because as a child you were afraid of what your violent mother will do next.

    I have more thoughts regarding your share, but will wait to your response to what I wrote so far.

    anita

    #283355
    J
    Participant

    Hi Anita,

    Thank you for your fast and thoughtful reply. My father said something similar to me regarding my unhappiness and said that he sees someone just as deserving of compassion and empathy and that I need to give that compassion and empathy to myself.

    I don’t know how to do that, how to convince myself that I’m just as deserving. I get so frustrated with feeling like I have to care about so many people, and I do care about them, but at the same time, I don’t want to. I don’t know how to stop the stories in my head, which I’m planning on getting help with. Made-up stories of people who may be suffering, true stories of my suffering… It’s hard to change that narrative.

    And I’m just afraid of people. Physically afraid, for some reason. Taking a self-defense class that I thought would ease this has heightened this. My mother was a verbal abuser, not physical towards me or my brother. But her presence and energy were enough to make us always walk on eggshells.

    Of course, there are many complex dynamics and layers that I probably have not even seen to this, but I do forgive my father for not leaving. Being away at school and going through this hard time, I’ve been leaning on both of them. The distance from my mother helps, and we manage to have better interactions while I’m here.

    One of the major feelings, in addition to depression and anxiety, has been acute loneliness. And this is sometimes lifted, but rarely. One of my main goals has been to open up to people more. But like you said, our world is on the surface and people don’t usually go deep into love and feelings, so I rarely do this.

    I am independent, I can be alone and read or watch a tv show or listen to music and be fine. But of course, there is always that part that wants more and who doesn’t want to be so good at being alone.

    Thank you for listening and reading my story Anita. I’m looking forward to hearing more of your insights, and hopefully others’ too. Namaste.

    #283365
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Justina:

    You are welcome!

    You wrote: “I’m just afraid of people. Physically afraid, for some reason… My mother was a verbal abuser, not physical towards me or my brother”-

    – verbal abuse is physical too because we get scared, and getting scared is very much a physical process and as you know, fear, ongoing fear aka anxiety physically feels very badly, doesn’t it?

    Everything we experience is physical, really, even thoughts are physical events. It is just that we can’t see thoughts. It is similar to air- it is physical even though we can’t see it, and quite powerful when it moves fast, as in a wind storm.

    “Being away at school.. I’ve been leaning on both of them”- how have you been leaning on your mother?

    Another question (and feel free to not answer any of my questions): what kind of verbal abuse did she use against you personally, and does she still?

    anita

    #348402
    J
    Participant

    Hi…

    I hope someone sees this. I haven’t logged on to tiny buddha in over a year.

    Anita, I know you’ve helped me in the past, and I see you’re still active. You made some observations that have helped in the past, and I think part of the reason I left tiny buddha so abruptly is because you made some observations I wasn’t ready to see. I still am so thankful for your care and concern, and I’m hoping you can help again. (Please read above if you need a refresher, whoever is reading this and wants to know the backstory :).

    So I moved back home, and am no longer away at school. My depression got too bad. I couldn’t do it, and a lot has happened between now and then. Long story short, I’m living with my mother during this pandemic. My father is still going to work every day despite 10 confirmed cases of coronavirus because he “has to” because he’s a VP. I would think this means you can work from home so your daughter (me) doesn’t have to have her home displaced and live with her abuser. But here we are.

    My mom has been working from home, and I am completing my degree from home (I graduate in 4 weeks with my bachelor’s degree in English).

    Things have been going okay all things considering. We get along, I’m even enjoying her company, and this is very conflicting for me in terms of what she has done in the past. And she believes, whole-heartedly, that my father and I were always against her, and “abused” her, but this was and is NEVER true. She likes to be angry and play the victim, even now, over a year after the divorce, 3 years of separation, and a marriage of dysfunction later. I was never allowed to show anything besides positive emotions.

    What I’m trying to say is that here I am in my abuser’s home during covid-19, on the east coast, and I feel trapped again. I feel trapped in pointless school work, this house, and my circumstances. I’m 21 and I can’t remember a time in my life where I didn’t feel trapped. I’ve been working with an amazing therapist weekly for about 6 months and I know I’ve made progress, but social distancing has made me feel like I took ten steps back. I am still looking at jobs and trying to look towards the future, but everything seems so uncertain.

    My wish is to go to a job I at least like every day and come home to a studio apartment. I want to make friends and maybe engage in a romantic relationship, which I was just trying to cultivate before social distancing started. That in itself was a huge deal for me as someone who was so enmeshed in the family that I never could see past my parents’ dysfunction and need for parenting to grow up as myself.

    This comes back harder on some days than on others. Right now it’s hitting hard. My mom plays the victim and it’s so hard for me to stand it. I want to scream and throw things and exhibit the anger I feel so deeply that I was and am never allowed to show, because I’ve had to live with these people (my parents) my whole life.

    As a middle class white female who is physically healthy and privileged, all I want is that dream of a job I like and a door I can lock and a life I can be in charge of. From there, I want to build my own family.

    Almost daily I’d say I amaze myself with how well I cope when I look back on all I’ve been through. Part of that is thanks to a recent medication I think, but still.

    I guess I’m looking for a reason to keep believing in my dream and any advice in continuing to live with my abuser who sees things in such a skewed way. I am talking/digitally dating two men through this, one of which I started seeing before the pandemic got really bad. Let’s call him A, and he has been very helpful. He knows the highlights of my past, but I feel like he doesn’t know the depths. I feel this pressure to be positive around him, because that’s how he is. And I’m trying not to go back into my codependent or parentified ways and change or “save” him, because he has his own issues. Anyway, I’ve tried to talk to him about it and he says he knows it’s “difficult,” and that’s hard for me to hear amidst everything.

    Does anyone have any insight or advice regarding my situation? I am just sitting in these emotions, and while it’s difficult to put this out into the world, I know I’ll feel more connected and less alone. I’m very tired and don’t know what else to do.

    Thank you.

    J

    #348468
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear J:

    Welcome back!

    When you were a child, a witness to your mother’s violence and a direct target of her verbal abuse, you got very, very scared, and for a long time, day after day, year after year. This fear, repeating, ongoing,  is the anxiety you are still suffering from.

    You wrote regarding your mother, on March 2019: “her presence and energy were enough to make us walk on eggshells”- at one point on it didn’t take her behavior (verbally abusing you) to scare you, all it took was her presence.

    March 2019: “Being away at school.. the distance from my mother helps”. Fast forward, April 9, 2020: “I moved back home.. no longer away at school… I’m living with my mother during this pandemic.. My mom has been working from home.. We get along, I’m even enjoying her company”- but her presence alone is enough to scare you. Sometimes you forget the fear and enjoy her company (the brain has to take its breaks from fear, and it has to experience joy from time to time, otherwise it will collapse). But the fear is still there, ready to be felt sooner than later.

    “I feel trapped.. I can’t remember a time in my life where I didn’t feel trapped”- you wanted to run away as a child and onward (that’s the instinct of any animal living in a perceived danger), but you had nowhere to run away to;  plus, a child doesn’t perceive existing away from her parents.

    “I’ve been working with an amazing therapist weekly for about 6 months and I know I’ve made progress, but social distancing has made me feel like I took ten steps back”- we always take many steps back when living again with our abusers. It doesn’t matter how much progress you made when you were away.

    Social Distancing brought you to social-closeness with your mother, that’s what caused the regression: the physical closeness to your mother.

    “My wish is to go to a job.. and come home to a studio apartment…I guess I’m looking for a reason to keep believing in my dream and any advice in continuing to live with my abuser”- I don’t have any advice regarding living with one’s abuser: your brain and body already did, automatically/ instinctively all that is possible to survive your abuser.

    To heal, to dream, and to believe again in your dream, you have to get away from your abuser. Therefore, my suggestion is that you ask your father to rent a studio apartment for you this weekend.

    Do you think that he goes to work every day even though he doesn’t have to, risking Covid-19, because he needs to be away from your mother as well?

    anita

     

    #348818
    J
    Participant

    Anita,

    Thank you so much for reminding me that none of this is my fault, and that what needs to be done right now is to take care of myself the best I can.

    When you mentioned that I ask my father to rent a studio apartment out for me this weekend, my eyes grew wide with a smile on my face, because you reminded me that I deserve to have a safe place one day!! The feeling was incredible. Unfortunately, it is not possible right now to have that. Financially speaking it’s not an expense that can be spared right now. But, something I do to help myself believe in the future is look for and apply to jobs, look at apartment listings in places I might be able to live, and plan for the future.

    Planning for the future in my past consisted of planning for next school year, but this year I’m graduating (in 3 weeks!) so the future I’ve always wanted is just out of reach. I kept hoping that I’d get a job and an apartment right after graduation, but I’m not sure if that will happen for sure, and hopefully in the next few weeks I’ll at least be able to live with my dad, which is a bit better than living with my mom.

    Thank you for objectively showing me that I only have so much control… barely any, over my past situations and now. It’s so hard to be as aware as I am of things and remember that I don’t have much control or say.

    As to your last question, I think my father is a workaholic who cannot say no to my mother and has almost no healthy boundaries. I don’t know why he still goes to work when others’ are working from home (he tells me he “needs to” because his workers he’s responsible for are there) which is “noble” but also silly and unnecessary; not to mention insulting to me, and extremely displacing for me. I have not felt close to my father in years, and at this point in my life I am close with people I chose to be close with, such as my amazing friends and coworkers at the independent bookstore I’ve worked at since high school, and my two aunts with whom I am very close with. They are my true family.

    And in the spirit of knowing I am deserving, perhaps I’ll give them a call and talk to them, at least to remember I am not back in time with no one to really turn to.

    My therapist believes my father is working despite the danger so that he can have some attention on himself, and I don’t know how true that is or not. I believe he’s being selfish for sure, but I don’t know why. I’ve learned to try not to put so much energy into figuring it out because it’s how things are unfortunately.

    How are you doing anita? You’re like the angel of tiny buddha, and I hope you are okay in this moment.

    Thank you for your kindness and willingness to listen, I look forward to talking with you more.

    J

    #348830
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Justina (J):

    You are very welcome and thank you for your kind words! I am fine, missing pre-social distancing time, when I took the comfort of being around people for granted. I want this pandemic contained soon. But like all of us, I have to wait. Better wait relaxed than wait anxiously, so I try to keep myself relaxed best I can.

    The good news for you is that you will be graduating in three weeks. The not so good news is that you are now living with your mother, and that your plan to get a job and your own place has to be adjusted to this unwelcomed pandemic.

    “my father is a workaholic who cannot say no to my mother and has almost no healthy boundaries. I don’t know why he still goes to work when others are working from home (he tells me he ‘needs to..)”- maybe he goes to work because he feels safe at work, and there,  he can say no to people and exercises healthy boundaries.. so work for him is home, and home is.. not home. He needs home, which for him..  is work.

    Your therapist believes that your father “is working despite the danger so that he can have some attention on himself”- and have less of your mother’s attention, I am thinking. Can you imagine that he perceives your mother’s attention as more dangerous to him that a virus’s attention, that your mother’s attention is .. worse than a viral infection, for him?

    anita

    #352734
    J
    Participant

    Anita,

    I like how you make the intentional decision to wait relaxed instead of waiting anxiously. That can be difficult but worth it, and I know you can do it!

    To your last question, yes, my mother’s attention, to him, is worse than the virus. Most definitely.

    I am officially graduated! But there are new things to worry about, like an internship trip to San Diego falling through and applying for jobs, that I am trying to surrender to.

    I am also trying to surrender to this new relationship in my life. I started seeing someone (potentially seriously, we’re not exclusive) for the first time in my life in February, and then the virus happened. Things are going really well, but because of social distancing, intimacy and relationship progression is stunted a bit in terms of hugging, kissing, holding hands, and being in the same room as each other and getting a feel for each other’s energy and lives. I am still fairly guarded but I really like him. However, I have been having these intense feelings of loneliness, probably because of the distance I feel with this new person, let’s call him C. And this loneliness is causing me to think of reaching out to someone who had an interest in me last fall, let’s call him E, because of his guaranteed acceptance and like of me, the fact that he lives next door and C lives over an hour away, and the fact that I probably could gain some of the closeness I so acutely miss from C’s absence.

    I really am sad and mad at myself for thinking this way, because these are people and not pawns for me to get me needs met by. I still feel guilty and I don’t even know why I’m thinking about E because I haven’t in months, not like that. I’ve just been feeling very unstable; like I’m on shaky ground. And I don’t know why. The newness of possibly my first serious relationship? Wanting touch? Wanting stability and security? And E is right next door while C is near the epicenter of the virus and I did tell him how lonely I’ve been and we’ve been talking more, but I don’t know how to get these conflicting thoughts and feelings about E out of my head. I even spoke to my therapist about it and I felt I didn’t really get anywhere. That’s why I’m really trying to surrender because I think I’m feeling this stress physically and I just don’t want to deal with it in addition to starting a new job and a new internship.

    I apologize if this is too much! You’ve helped me in the past and I want to give you all the information.

    It was foolish of me to think I’d feel much better once school ended, because I’m thrust again into uncertainty (with a lot of other people though) and I’m still not where I want to be. But that’s the journey I suppose?

    I’m trying to surrender also because I’m very emotionally tired and am trying to give myself a break even though I can’t stop thinking and am very restless. Any advice?

    Thank you Anita. I hope you have someone in your life and/or in this community to help you like you help the participants here!

    I’m not quite sure what to do except have faith in the future and try to surrender to the present moment. On the surface, life is good… I might know where these feelings come from, in terms of my mother and childhood, but I don’t know what to do about them. Any advice or response is appreciated.

    Much love,

    J

    #352742
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear J:

    I will be able to read your recent post and reply when I am back to the computer, in about 12 hours from now.

    anita

    #352796
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear J:

    Good to read from you again, glad every time I get a post from you. Thank you for your encouragement regarding me waiting relaxed vs. waiting anxiously during this pandemic lockdown.

    1. “I’ve just been feeling very unstable, like I’m on shaky ground. And I don’t know why”-

    The why is in what you wrote March 6 2019: “My mother was a verbal abuser.. her presence and energy were enough to make us always walk on eggshells”, and April 11, 2020: “I’m living with my mother during this pandemic.. She likes to be angry and play the victim, even now… I was never allowed to show anything besides positive emotions.. What I’m trying to say is that here I am in my abuser’s home during covid-19, on the east coast, and I feel trapped again”-

    – you were afraid of your mother as a child and you still are afraid of her. But when a person lives with the person who scares them since childhood, the child adapts and feels fine with that person as  much as possible, even forgetting being afraid of her. But the fear doesn’t go away, it goes in, causing trouble in the inside. There is a high cost to feeling as fine as possible with the person that scares us.

    2. Regarding Loneliness, C and E: April 6, more than a year ago, you wrote: “One of the major feelings, in addition to depression and anxiety, has been acute loneliness. And this is sometimes lifted, but rarely”.

    Yesterday you wrote: “I have been having these intense feelings of loneliness… this loneliness is causing me to think of reaching out to .. E”.

    This is what I figure: your mother felt comfortable to express all her feelings (“She likes to be angry and play the victim”), but she never allowed you to show anything besides positive emotions (“I was never allowed to show anything besides positive emotions”). As a result you feel this acute loneliness, separated from all those emotions you are not allowed to show. So, “On the surface life is good”, but underneath- life is not so good.

    The guy for you is the one that does or will accept and encourage you to show all your feelings, including the ones you referred to as negative feelings: anger and hurt, the feeling of being a victim (and you are your mother’s victim). The guy who is able and willing to go under the surface with you is the guy for you.

    You did tell C that you are lonely. Did you share more with him, did you tell him about your mother, and if you did, what was his response?

    anita

     

    #352914
    J
    Participant

    Hi Anita,

    C was/is very supportive. He has had his own mental health and family struggles and was/is very open to listening to me. However, I don’t know if I let him be there for me (or if he knows I need him to be there for me) at certain times. For example, he is very self- sufficient and healthy, and I feel less healthy than him most times (mentally). But he is very supportive and wants to be there for me and my growth (his words, more or less).

    I think the biggest thing happening here is I don’t know why I have something good going with C and then all of a sudden I’m worried about being attracted to E. I’m trying to figure out if it has something to do with attachment styles, my own “messed-up” mind, or what.

    I feel like I can find the good in anyone, so do I actually like C? I so want a romantic partner, but I want to make sure it’s right. I’m scared. Does that make sense?

    I want stability so badly, to be attached or unattached, to be sure about something. And running back and forth between these people and my feelings combined with that makes me think it has something to do with attachment styles.

    I’m trying to let myself feel the feelings and forgive myself for them, and forgive myself for wanting security in my loneliness.

    I didn’t mean to go that deep haha, but I suppose I always go deep on here! I hope you’re doing well Anita, and that you have some insight.

    Thank you,

    Justina

    #352920
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Justina:

    You are anxious and you want to feel okay, so your mind is working overtime trying to figure out how you can feel okay ASAP. Solution: calm down. I came across a web site called Head space. Check it out: it has plenty of guided meditations and mindfulness exercises to reduce that anxiety you are suffering from. That would be the best ASAP solution. In regard to C and E, I don’t think you will be okay with getting together with E. If you achieve a moment of calm with E, you will pay for it with intensified anxiety later on.

    So Headspace, I say. And communicate more with C, he is your guy at this point.

    anita

    #352926
    J
    Participant

    Thank you Anita, I think you’re right. I will take your advice. Namesté.

    #352948
    Anonymous
    Guest

    You are welcome, Justina. Take good care of yourself!

    anita

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