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June 4, 2018 at 8:19 am #210653RobParticipant
hello everyone,
About 2 weeks ago my wife left me a note on the kitchen table telling me, she wants to separate, and that she doesn’t love me anymore. now, this REALLY caught me off guard. At first, I was angry and upset, but then I stopped and thought to myself, why is my wife feeling this? We had a talk that night, and she asked me do you really not feel the same way? as if she thought I knew what was going on. She told me she hasn’t felt love for me for a really long time, and that she just kept telling herself it will get better and would stay another year. We have 2 beautiful daughters together, and we are great parents. I did a lot of soul searching over the last few weeks. actually for over a year now I have been trying to find myself I guess you could say, and never really found that person until now. I honestly wholeheartedly know that I love that woman, and I want to spend my life with her. I have realized a lot about me and who I want to be, and its nothing like I have been in the past.
So I did change who I was instantly, I realized I didn’t give the love she needed or the affection, and it breaks my heart knowing I did that to her, when this whole time all I ever wanted was her, and everything I did have the best intentions for us. I guess I just didnt know how to communicate it. I never knew I was hurting her, that’s why this is a shock to me. It’s almost as if this experience has given me Mortality motivation if you know what I mean. I finally see me and what I want in life.
But now she is angry with me, she said you have been amazing these past couple weeks, but is angry that I am doing these things now, and she just doesn’t feel my efforts lovingly and doesn’t think they will actually stick. I feel she doesn’t want to give a chance to prove myself because if she does, she is letting herself down again by staying.
last night we both just cried our eyes out, me because I can’t believe I did this to her, and our family, I feel like I screwed everything up, and it’s my fault, that I couldn’t see the signs. Her because she wants to leave, and for our girls.
I don’t really know my question, I know that I am not giving up on her, I love her, It’s just how do you get someone to believe you that, we really can have that love again we once had, and that she can be happier than she ever was? I’m just lost as to what to do.
any experiences or women that have felt the same way, hearing from you would help me immensely. I thank you all
June 4, 2018 at 8:35 am #210673AnonymousGuestDear Rob:
Reads to me that you were lost for some time, and that is why you’ve been trying to find yourself (“for over a year now I have been trying to find myself”).
Your wife’s note in the kitchen two weeks ago shocked you, moved you from the relatively vague long term problem of losing yourself to the clear and immediate problem of your wife wanting to separate from you. Having since a clear problem at hand, you were sprung into action.
I think that your wife has a point, if I understand her correctly, meaning if the danger of separation from you is gone, you may go back to feeling lost and trying to find yourself, a process which did not include your wife.
Would you like to share more about that process, trying to find yourself?
anita
June 4, 2018 at 9:11 am #210685RobParticipanthi Anita, you are right she feels if she stays I won’t actually change. and eventually, it will go back to the way it was.
As far as finding myself, I was always a negative person, always looked at the worst of every situation. I never viewed possible good outcomes. I always hated my job, but I did it for the family and was too scared to quit, I always needed to be secure with my job. About a year ago I went to a conference that had a motivational speaker, that completely changed my life, and set me on the path I currently have been in. (realizing that I was not meant to just stay in a bad job and that there is good out there). She and my kids were really the only things that I KNEW were what I needed, and all that mattered to me. Weird I know as I did not show it much. I started to become a more positive person, I looked at things differently, started seeing the good in everything, and gained way more self-confidence than ever. We started an online business which we talked about and agreed that it would be great, tough but great. Finally one day I had enough of the negative job and I text my wife saying I cant do it anymore, and she replied then quit babe, we will figure it out. So I did just that handed in my resignation, and quit to work full time on launching our business. I even sold my motorcycle, to help cover living costs for a few months. Everything was great we went on a family trip shortly after I quit, and it was great, we had a great time. but then things did not go as planned for our business, the idea behind it changed, and I just got lost again as to where to go, I couldn’t go back to that negative job again and have that atmosphere. Then I got the letter, and she did say that she thought it was my job that was holding me back, but it wasn’t obvious, I still needed to find myself. Well, her tearing my heart has Gave me a push to find it, and I did. I realize now that everything I had with her is what I needed I just didn’t see it and neglected her. Not just having her, but me as a person, I always looked up to her for her positive outlook on life. It’s made me realize the man I want to be. I wrote her a 3-page letter yesterday and read it to her, about what I have realized about my life, and why I was the way I was. But also who I want to strive to be without a doubt. And she was like, I know I’m supposed to be happy that you finally realized who you want to be but I’m Just angry and everything inside tells me it won’t last, and if I stay I will myself down, that she just doesn’t feel it. She also thinks That she is just making me change to the person she wants, which is not the case at all, I seriously deep down thought about who I wanted to be even without her.
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June 4, 2018 at 10:03 am #210693AnonymousGuestDear Rob:
For the purpose of saving your marriage and making it better, what is most important for you to do, at this point, I believe, is to understand your wife’s anger. Got to understand exactly what it is she is angry about. Her anger is her motivation to want to leave and end the marriage. Understand her anger, that is, her motivation, and you have the information you need to proceed.
In understanding her anger, you will need to remove yourself a bit from what you are going through and really listen to her, pay attention to her thoughts and feelings.
What do you know so far about her anger at you, how long has it been going on, what is it about?
anita
June 4, 2018 at 10:12 am #210697RobParticipantshe is angry because now I’m now guy that she been trying to get out of me. She’s angry because she let it go this far, she said she would always find some reason to stay whether it be for the kids, the house, just easier to stay. she is angry that I never saw her cries for love but I do now. She said I am a good person and that she loves me but doesn’t love in that way anymore. I know she feels if she stays she is letting herself down. She says I know everything thinks she should stay, but she is just angry and tired, tired of trying to make it work when I didn’t or couldn’t see it. But yet I know if she stays it will the best thing to ever happen to her, she finally has the guy she wanted, but she can’t see past the past, and I totally understand how she feels. She is also a person who hates being told what to do, so me saying stay and you will see would not make her stay.
June 4, 2018 at 10:19 am #210699AnonymousGuestDear Rob:
Reads to me that she feels that if she stays, she is giving away her power, like before. When she decided to leave you, she felt powerful, she finally took a stand, finally exerted power in her life.
Asking her to stay is the same for her, I believe, as asking her to feel weak again, to submit.
Question is how to encourage her to stay in the marriage and at the same time not feel powerless doing so, not feeling like she is back to being weak and submissive.
I see the only way to do so is for you to let have her the control, to no longer push and pressure her in any way, shape or form. You already gave her all the information you have about your intention and your motivation. It is time for you, I believe, to admit defeat, to admit defeat to her. And then, to let her come up with solutions, whatever they may be.
Give her the power she needs and your relationship has a chance.
anita
June 4, 2018 at 10:29 am #210701RobParticipantshe feels that the only thing that keeps playing in her head right now is that we sell the house and get places of our own. I just don’t understand how she can’t understand that I honestly did not know she was giving me chances before, so I feel like it’s almost unfair that she won’t even give me a bit of time to show her. At the same time, I do understand how she is feeling, and that she thinks that she was telling me, and I know there is still a part of her that loves me and wants to stay because I asked her that and every time she changes the subject or redirects it. I just feel that we haven’t even given it a shot, or try to work things out.
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June 4, 2018 at 10:47 am #210709AnonymousGuestDear Rob:
I suggest you ask her questions so to understand her better, not so to try to persuade her to change her mind. I suggest you stop pressuring her no matter how panicky you feel, no matter how strongly you feel and no matter how unfair it is. Let her take control. Maybe, after all, she does know better than you what should be done.
My earlier point to you is, restated here: even if the right thing for you is to stay together, even if you did change, and if she only gave you the opportunity, she will see for herself, even if all this is true, your only chance, as I see it, is to give her the control, the power.
If that means selling the house (if there is no other way for the two of you to get places of your own), then… let it be. For as long as the children are being fed, clothed and sheltered (and treated well otherwise!)
anita
June 4, 2018 at 10:55 am #210711RobParticipantSo you are saying let her just leave? and sell the house? I understand that some time away from each other might be good, so that we both can think, without the other pressures of everyday life. I haven’t begged her to stay, because I don’t want to come off as needy and can’t take care of myself. as far as the children we both agree and always have that they are our number one, they will always be looked after, and it is not their fault if things didn’t work out. At the same time, I just feel so guilty that I caused all this to happen, and don’t want them to hate me later in life.
June 4, 2018 at 11:05 am #210715AnonymousGuestDear Rob:
If you somehow forced her to stay, I imagine her anger at you will grow and fester and that will hurt your children. Her anger will find its way to hurt them.
Whatever you did wrong before, and whatever she did wrong, do the sensible thing now.
The situation of course is not good, the picture of your marriage and your life is not a pretty picture. There is no way for you to make it a pretty picture at this point. All you can do is look at the short distance of what is directly in front of you, a square inch of the picture, and do what is sensible to do within that square inch.
Then, one square inch at a time. The picture might turn pretty after all.
anita
June 4, 2018 at 12:00 pm #210735RobParticipantThat’s just it I don’t want to force her to stay. But yet she hasn’t left, and we still sleep in the same bed, and she doesn’t feel strange being naked around me? maybe I’m just reading things wrong? So I still feel like she wants me to try but just not admit it, to me or herself. Also when we do talk about other things other than us, we seem to connect and are actually having a good conversation, how can you do that with someone who you are angry at?
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June 4, 2018 at 1:12 pm #210757MarkParticipantRob,
The point is not whether she wants to move out or not. It is whether you two want to stay together and continue to work on the marriage. Is she willing to give you a chance to prove that you have changed?
Ask for 6 months (or longer) to show her that you have changed then if she is not convinced then she can move out.
Are you two seeing a counselor?
Mark
June 4, 2018 at 1:23 pm #210761AnonymousGuestDear Rob:
Maybe she is angry at herself more than she is angry at you. Maybe she is angry with you and just as she lay with you in bed for months, angry at times, she still does the same. After all, what is news to you since two weeks ago, is old news to her. Because there are things you don’t understand, better ask her questions, ask her so to find out the information you need.
If you do ask her questions, make sure you are calm enough to ask her in a calm enough voice, not accusatory, not pressuring. Also, ask her when you are calm enough so that you can listen to what she says without your own mental commentary interrupting your ability to hear what she says.
I will soon be away from the computer for about 14 hours. I noticed you got a reply from Mark. He has an excellent suggestion, one that didn’t cross my mind. I hope to read more from you when I am back.
anita
June 4, 2018 at 1:52 pm #210767RobParticipantHi Mark, I did ask if she would give me time even a little to show, and that if she doesnt feel at least a little more toward me that’s fine at least I tried everything I could. First she said she didn’t know, then we talked a few days later and she said she doesn’t feel anything for me,didnt really answer my question. So again makes me feel like she wants to but doesn’t want to let herself down again. Do you think that it’s still too soon? And she needs to calm down and let her walls lower a bit? As what Anita said she feels empowered and is riding on that right now?
June 4, 2018 at 2:04 pm #210779MarkParticipantRob,
My suggestion is that you keep at loving her, treasuring her, showing her how much you love her. Actions rather than words of entreaty is what is needed now.
No more asking. No more begging. Trying to figure things out is not what is needed. Just prove to her. Find out what she wants and needs and then do it.
Do deep listening. Do the household chores. Do take care of the kids. Do laugh, smile, dance, sing, and be silly. Do be positive. Do massages. Tell her she’s beautiful. Tell her what you value about her. Court her again. Bring flowers.
Mark
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