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July 15, 2020 at 6:08 am #361705LaraParticipant
Hello !
I’m feeling pretty confused and lost concerning my relationship with my partner. I would love to read some insights.
We are both in our early 30’s and we have been together for 10 months. We live in his home in his home country in North America, I’m from Europe and was here with a working visa when I met him. We clicked well from the very beginning and even if I was afraid it would be only infatuation because everything was going too fast, too soon, I gave up my initial plans to go and visit another part of his country and followed him in the middle of nowhere where he had to work for a while. Then we moved into his house together. Everything felt really natural and I didn’t ask myself much more question.
The thing is, when we moved in together, he suddenly changed and stopped being the man I loved. He became cold, preoccupied with something he wouldn’t talk about, uninterested, would distance himself physically and emotionnaly, stopped telling me how much he liked me and why, was almost mean sometimes. He used to be the kindest person, very attentive, very loving and affectionnate, always happy to be with me, interested in me, excellent listener too… So I thought that was just the magic of the early relationship and after trying to talk to him about this sudden change a few times without any change, I took the decision to leave because I was becoming really unhappy and sad. He had a major awakening when he realized I was feeling sad enough and promised he would change. He also explained to me why he was feeling so stressed and overwhelmed (and that wasn’t related to me). I was cautious at first because I wanted to see his long-term actions but he actually really changed. He became affectionnate and loving again, interested in me, we started to have fun together again and the more we were getting to be with each other, the more we were ourselves and I think we were rediscovering each other and truly falling in love without the infatuation this time.
But here I am, unhappy again. I lost my job at the beginning of the pandemic and then my working visa ended, so I’m still at his place but with a tourist visa and no possibility of paid work. It’s been incredibly long, I’ve been having a few activities and tried some new hobbies but I can’t stand anymore to be stranded here where I used to travel and move all the time before. He is away the whole week and we see each other only the week-end. I’m on my own the whole week and don’t have any friends here. I’m feeling incredibly lonely and as if I’m wasting my time.
I’m going back to my home country in a few weeks for a while, and I was supposed after that to come back to his place so we could start the application for my permanent residence through his sponsorship (my idea, but he agreed). That takes a while (up to a year and even more sometimes ) and I can be in his country only as a tourist now. Plus he is working in remote places most of the upcoming year which mean I will be at his house and will barely see him from times to times. Something was growing uncomfortable and resentful inside me and I have to say I’ve been relieved when I found that that this plan wasn’t currently good, as I also have to be in his country when the permanent residence will be delivered to me and I have no idea when will that happen.
I’m feeling both relief and guilt. Starting this permanent residence application means I will have to save money to be in his country as a tourist and to sit there without doing anything for my future for months. Also, when I will get this visa one year later if I get it, that will also be the time where he will be away for a very demanding school for one year where I won’t see him at all (he didn’t ask me to follow him there and it’s already been said that we won’t be able to see each other).
On my side, I want to go back to university, for at least 3 years, if not 4. I could study for cheap in Europe or I could study in his country but I would have to take a huge loan only to cover the university fees. He also lives in a very expensive area, which he can afford, but I can’t. And I honestly find the prices ridiculously high and I’m not willing to have to pay double for everything on the long-term (I would like to have my own B&B in the future and it’s not an option to buy something where he lives). Because he is paying for his own house, the renovations, and considering he will have to take a big loan for his school next year, visiting me in Europe is off the table. Holidays or traveling together, the same. He doesn’t even think about it. I feel like I’m the one invested and he just tags along, passively, but working on his future first when I was willing to compromise before. Now I feel like I matter as well and should do the best for my career and my happiness. And I don’t see that happening in this current setting.
On the other side, he is everything I’ve dreamed of for a partner : kind, patient, compassionnate, beautiful values, strong, good listener, sweet… But I’m feeling a bit suffocated right now. I’m bored, really bored (I can’t drive in this country) and I can’t wait for it to end, even if that means being away from him. I’m also going some health issues right now which leave me extremely tired and I’m not as patient as before with him. When I used to love to talk with him and debate, now I just want to be left alone and I’m finding myself having issues to listen to him when he is the best listener in the world, so here again, guilt feeling.He never plans for anything, never takes me on date, life is very much about work with him and I don’t know… Where I used to be happy to make all the plans to have fun, now I’m tired and would like to be “chased”.
Where are we going together ? I don’t want to break up but if I choose myself, I don’t see a positive outcome for our relationship š and that hurts.
Thank you in advance.
July 15, 2020 at 8:48 am #361751AnonymousGuestDear Lara:
You shared that you were in North America on a work visa when you met a man (both in your early 30s), “clicked from the very beginning.. everything was going too fast, too soon”. You abandoned your plan to visit another part of North America and “followed him to the middle of nowhere where he had to work for a while”. Later, you moved into his house with him. When that happened, the once “kindest person, very attentive, very loving and affectionate, always happy, interested in me, excellent listener” man “suddenly changed and..Ā “became cold, preoccupied with something he wouldn’t talk about, uninterested, would distance himself physically and emotionally.. was almost mean sometimes”.
“Really unhappy and sad”, you were about to leave him when he “had a major awakening.. and promised he would change”. He explained to you that he “was feeling so stressed and overwhelmed”, but the cause of his stress was not you being in his life. He then “became affectionate and loving again, interested.. rediscovering each other and truly falling in love without the infatuation this time”.
The relationship has lasted 10 months so far, starting at about Sept 2019 when you had a job and a work visa. Fast forward, you lost the job at the beginning of the pandemic, your work visa expired, and your tourist visa does not allow you the possibility of paid work, you can’t drive and you are stuck in his house.
Your plan was to go back to your home country in Europe in a few weeks, then return to his country as a tourist and start the year long or longer application process to become a permanent resident, through his sponsorship- a sponsorship you suggested and he agreed to. Because he expects to work in remote locations in the upcoming year, you will barely see him while living in his house for a year. Following that year, there will be another year when he will be studying, and you will not see him at all. He didn’t ask you to follow him to where he will be studying during that one year, and “it’s already been said that we won’t be able to see each other”.
You want to go back to university for 3 or 4 years. If you study in Europe, it would be cheap for you. If you study in his country you’d have to take a huge loan. If you live in Europe, your living expenses long term will be about half of what they would be if you stayed where you are now. Also, you want to buy a Bed and Breakfast- it is possible for you in Europe, but not where you live now.
My input:
1. At best, the situation you are in is working for him, but it is not working for you: you “can’t stand anymore to be stranded here”, “feeling incredibly lonely and as if I’m wasting my time”, “growing uncomfortable and resentful inside me”, “really bored”, and you are experiencing some health issues which leave you “extremely tired and I’m not as patient as before with him”-
– all this means that the situation you are in is working against you. Sometimes it makes sense to endure a bad situation when the future holds promise of a good situation. But in your case, there is no such promise: you see him on the weekend now, but you will not see him for a whole year later. And there is no promise of a good situation for you financially if you stay.
2. If you pursue a life with him, it seems like he will continue to be the (largely absent) center of your life, and you will continue to be in the margins of his life.
“He never plans for anything, never takes me on date, life is very much about work with him”- reads like his studies, his work, and his money are in the center of his life, while you are in the margin. So even though he is all those nice things you say he is, you are able to experience those only in the margin of his life.
In other words, “he is everything (you’ve) dreamed of for a partner: kind, patient, compassionate, beautiful values, strong, good listener” only in the context of the margin of his life. It is similar to this imagery: he is like a wonderful chocolate cake, best imaginable, but here is the deal: you can have a piece of this most magnificent cake if you commit to live in prison, isolated behind metal bars. In prison, you will be served three slices of that cake every Saturday at 10 am.
3. “He is everything I’ve dreamed of for a partner: kind, patient, compassionate, beautiful values, strong, good listener, sweet”- what if he is able to be these things with you because he doesn’t spend much time with you? After all, there was a time when he was “cold, preoccupied.. almost mean” to you. He can be both, and you already know it, that he can be this way or that way.
Sometimes, people appear a certain way, be so superficially,Ā but it’s not who they are deeply. “He never plans for anything, never takes me on date”- how is that “kind, compassionate, beautiful values.. sweet”? His ability to change from compassionate to cold, from sweet to almost rude, may mean that he is .. superficially those great things you say he is.
In summary: if I was you, based on what you shared and my understanding of it, I would go back to Europe yesterday and not look back. It’s simply not a good situation for you, and there is no evidential reason to believe that it will get better for you.
I would like to read your response to what I wrote here.
anita
July 15, 2020 at 9:43 am #361758LaraParticipantHello anita,
Thank you for your clear reply. It’s really helpful to read my situation summarized by someone else and to have your input about it.
You’re right, the situation is working great for him, he is having his loving girlfriend always waiting for him at his house while he is working away. To be fair, I have to mention he had helped me financially and often offers to do it again, I know I can count on him anytime on that matter. But yes, I’m feeling deeply unhappy here, no matter what good times we are having together when he is back. And I think my health issues are related to that situation as I tend to always have this problem when I’m under pressure and/or unhappy.
I didn’t realize it but yes, I’m living on the margins of his life, as you said. I don’t know if it’s because he has been single for a very long time before meeting me, but he seems to have a hard time prioritizing me. On the other hand, I know he works super hard to earn enough money to help people he loves (he is really generous) and to afford to have a place of his own which is incredibly important for him (and I admire his bravery and courage because his job is really difficult and not really rewarding for him). I like the metaphor you used about the cake and being in jail, it sounds very accurate.
I know he can be either nice or pretty unpleasant when he is tired from work or under pressure, but I grew up with a family very similar (always unpleasant because always tired from work) so him making efforts to actually be nice even when tired seemed wonderful to me. I can’t imagine that people are not having bad moments when they are exhausted š I never thought that was maybe because we weren’t spending much time together. He was being unpleasant was when I wasn’t working for a little bit and always at home. So you might be right. But I’m havingĀ hard time believing that he is sweet only superficially. I also don’t like when he calls me every night while being away because some weeks he is just exhausted and he is not pleasant at all on the phone, just cold and sounding annoyed and it makes me uncomfortable.
It’s hard to wrap my head around ending things with him. I don’t want to hurt him, I really don’t. He is full of compassion and empathy and I know he does have feelings for me. The whole thing sounds so contradictory !
July 15, 2020 at 10:03 am #361762AnonymousGuestDear Lara:
You are welcome. In your recent post you added information about him that may help me and you move toward a better understanding of him (if you are interested, of course): “he had helped me financially and often offers to do it again, I know I can count on him anytime on the matter… he works super hard to earn enough money to help people he loves (he is really generous)”-
– I wonder if he is generous to his parents/ siblings (?) because he feels indebted to his parents, carrying a heavy dose of responsibility on his shoulders?
Also, do you know why he can’t or won’t see you for a whole year while studying?
anita
July 15, 2020 at 10:27 am #361764LaraParticipantI don’t if he feels indebded to them,Ā that is a really good question. But the thing is, he is the same with some of his close friends (has been helping one for years) and I never understood why he was going so far because in my opinion the friend was just taking advantage of his kindness and generosity.
He won’t be able to see me because he will have classes during the week and practise during the weekend so I won’t fit in the middle. He will also need to be extremely focused as it’s a very expensive school and a very intense program.
July 15, 2020 at 10:50 am #361767AnonymousGuestDear Lara:
He doesn’t read to me like a bad man, not at all. Reads to me that he has unresolved issues with guilt, a false sense of responsibility for other people. Maybe (all I am doing is bringing up possibilities based on the little information I have) he feels that he is inadequate, not good enough, maybe even a bad person, and he has to pay others and do for others so to make up for his perceived inadequacy or badness.
His very charming behavior, being so kind and so sweet and generous may be his way of compensating for perceived inadequacy or badness- not with a malicious intent, or an intent to deceive, but in an automatic/ instinctive kind of way.
anita
July 15, 2020 at 11:36 am #361774AnonymousGuestDear Lara:
It looks to me like an easy choice: for you to discontinue this relationship and return to Europe. It may help you to understand better what motivates him, what he values most, and so forth, because clarity of mind will lead to clarity of heart.
“It’s hard to wrap my head around ending things with him.. The whole thing sounds so contradictory”- having clarity about him will remove the contradictions you now see, and make it much simpler to do what you need to do.
Feel free to post again anytime, for as long as you want to. I will be glad to continue our communication.
anita
July 17, 2020 at 1:19 pm #361959DoraParticipantMy advise is, you have to take care of your happiness and purpose in life first. If you donāt do that, you will never be happy with anyone. You donāt need to end things. Go take care of your happiness and life, like he takes care of his. If you two are meant to be, you will be with him again. Good luck!
August 6, 2020 at 6:17 am #363939LaraParticipantHello,
I’m Lara, the original poster of this thread but I couldn’t retrieve my password.
Thank you both, I agree that I should take care of my happiness and purpose first. As you said Anita, being back in my home country gives me clarity of mind, but that hurts so much.
I asked him about his feelings for me as he could see something was bothering me and wanted to help. He first joked around the question and then said that he cares deeply about me because I’m amazing. Nothing else. He didn’t talk about love, about liking me, nothing. So I guess I got my answer about whether he loves me or not.
We then had an amazing last week together, where we traveled and discovered his region together, went out, eat outside, had fun. He has been his best self, always supportive, patient, willing to accomodate all my wishes, doing everything he could to make me happy even when he was exhausted. Why did he do that?? So I was on cloud nine and didn’t break up.
But since I’m here, I’m questioning myself again. He said he would get a passport done and would come to visit me in 3 months, but I kind of doubt he is going to do it. And we don’t have much to say to each other when we call. The time difference is not convenient and doesn’t help at all.
I’m wondering why he keeps entertaining this relationship when he knows I have feelings for him and told him I want to be with someone who loves me as much as I love him.
Also, something really bothered me and always had : he is super sweet and smiling with me but always pretty bad with waiters, salesperson, cashiers… He never smiles, is barely polite, always cold… I’m always embarrassed because Hello, please thank you and a smile don’t cost anything and it betters everyone’s day. I don’t understand why he treats other people like that when he can be so warm and nice with me.
Even if I can see we are not compatible on the long term, I can’t decide myself to break up, the nice memories of our great time together and all his efforts are still fresh and he looks sincerely happy to see me when we video chat. I’m really lost.
August 6, 2020 at 8:30 am #363987AnonymousGuestDear Lara:
Welcome back to your thread. On July 15 you shared about this man: “when we moved in together, he suddenly changed.. He became cold, preoccupied with something he wouldn’t talk about, uninterested, would distance himself physically and emotionally, stopped telling me how much he liked me.. He used to be the kindest person, very attentive, very loving and affectionate”. You talked to him about it and he told you that he was “feeling so stressed and overwhelmed” regarding matters not related to you, and that he will change, and he changed, “He became affectionate and loving again”.
About three weeks later, you shared today: “I asked him about his feelings for me.. He first joked around the question and then said that he cares deeply about me because I’m amazing”. You figured that he doesn’t love you because he didn’t say that he does (“So I guess I got my answer about whether he loves me or not”).
You also shared that before you left North America back to Europe, you had an amazing last week together with him, “He has been his best self, always supportive, patient, willing to accommodate all my wishes, doing everything he could do to make me happy even when he was exhausted. Why did he do that?”, you asked.
You shared: “he is super sweet and smiling with me but always pretty bad with waiters, salesperson, cashiers.. He never smiles, is barely polite, always cold… I don’t understand why he treats other people like that when he can be so warm and nice with me”.
“He would get a passport done and would come to visit me in 3 months, but I kind of doubt he is going to do it. And we don’t have much to say to each other when we call… I’m really lost”.
These are my thoughts this morning (my time, North America): I think that he is likely to travel and visit you like he said he will, so be prepared that he intends to do that, just like he said he will. I think that he does love you as much as he can love a woman, that he doesn’t feel comfortable saying the words or otherwise, talk about his feelings, but he does feel love for you and is serious about you. The fact that “he was doing everything he could do toĀ make (you) happy even when he was exhausted” during the last week you were together, is evident of his love for you.
But- there is a big But here: he is not naturally inclined on a regular basis to be attentive, affectionate etc. If he is distressed in life, his inclination is to withdraw. Also, if a person is not important to him (waiters, cashiers, etc.) his inclination is not at all to be attentive and affectionate, his inclination to be these things with people who are not important to him is zero percent.
What all this means is that you can rely on him to be attentive and affectionate toward you only in the limited times that he feels this way for you, or when you bring it to his attention. Again and again, he will go back to being inattentive and cold with you because of life challenges or because he forgets to try hard.
I am guessing that he was as attentive as he was to you, and that he tried really hard to please you during that last week you spent together, because he knew he had to work that hard only for one week. Like I suggested to you in July, I don’t think that he is a bad person. I think that he has trouble with his emotions, with expressing his emotions, that his strong inclination, or tendency is to withdraw- from you and from everyone, and therefore the best you can expect from him is that he will be very affectionate and very attentive toward you for limited periods of time with long stretches of cold withdrawal.
What do you think about my thoughts this morning?
anita
August 9, 2020 at 1:11 am #364200LaraParticipantThank you Anita for your support and insight.
I’m not sure about his love. I don’t feel it. As you said, he is not a bad person, at all, and I have a deep respect for some of his qualities that I don’t have myself. But things are going pretty bad at the moment, I mean bad regarding what we had before. He still calls everyday, and we don’t have much to say to each other, it feels forced and not natural at all, which makes me sad. The rest of the time, he puts his phone on airplane mode or leave my texts on read for a while, which never happened before. I’m not sure if he is losing interest, being depressed to be alone at his home or if he is just checking out of the relationship without having the courage to break up. He was supposed to do stuff last week and also to ask for a passport, he didn’t do anything.
Things are really bad and stressful at my parents’ place and because I’m under quarantine, I’m just stuck there, helpless. I’ve tried to talk to him about that, seeking his usual support and gentleness, but he got cold and changed the topic. I really feel like I’m losing him, and I’m feeling extremely lonely and vulnerable.
I know I should just end it but each time I see his smile on our video chat, I can’t. Even though I feel like I deserve to be loved and cared for on a permanent basis, not when it’s convenient for him.
I’m sorry I’m just ranting. I should be braver and end it.
August 9, 2020 at 7:21 am #364219AnonymousGuestDear Lara:
You are welcome.
“Things are really bad and stressful at my parents’ place”- this means that you are not doing your best thinking at this time. When he are experiencing a lot of stress, it is as if fog is clouding our vision, we can’t see/ think straight.
What is happening there, at your parents’ place???
anita
August 9, 2020 at 9:10 am #364229LaraParticipantOh, the usual stuff, they are angry, upset, anxious, ignore me, my mother is always criticizing me in a passive agressive way, my father always complaining about everything as if even the minor issue is the end of the world, and they just don’t see me. Don’t seem to care either. They haven’t seen me for more than a year and didn’t ask a single question about my experience.
And I can’t stand that anymore. My boyfriend showed me (most of the times ) how it was to be treated with kindness, gentleness, respect, interest and affection. He supported me, even though he no longer does. And now I’ve tasted that, I can’t go back. I can’t tolerate my parents’ behavior anymore. And I’m so upset myself. But I can’t say anything because I have nowhere to go at the moment and they would probably make my life even harder or show me the door if I try to talk to them about their behavior.
August 9, 2020 at 9:44 am #364230AnonymousGuestDear Lara:
I will re-write your first paragraph description of your experience in your parents’ home life, as the opposite of what you wrote: my parents, are calm, they pay attention to me, my father does not complain about anything and assures me that this is not the end of the world. They see me and they let me know that theyĀ like what they see; they approve of me and accept me just the way I am. They care and they asked me many questions about my one year experience away from home.
Being trapped in the negative, tense and aggressive place, with nowhere to go, no wonder that in comparison to your parents, your boyfriend seems like a much better option to live with, having treated you “most of the time.. with kindness, gentleness, respect, interest and affection”.
In your original post you wrote that when you moved in with your boyfriend, “he suddenly changed and stopped being the man IĀ loved. He became cold, preoccupied.. uninterested, would distance himself physically and emotionally”-
– now I wonder: is it possible that you had an unrealistic expectation of him when you moved in with him, expecting him to always be as attentive/affectionate- at all times.. similar to having the same expectation of him now, long distance.. and the moment he is preoccupied with something else and is not attentive, you see it as something terrible (while it is just human nature to not be the same all day, every day, no one is affectionate toward another all the time, everyone gets preoccupied and distracted from time to time)?
anita
August 9, 2020 at 10:08 am #364232LaraParticipantYou are entirely right. It’s my first relationship of this kind, with respect and not abuse, so I was often confused about what should be and shouldn’t. Was he supposed to be nice all the time ? Was I being nice and warm and loving all the time because I was being a doormat and denying my own emotions or because it’s the way it is supposed to be in a loving relationship? I wasn’t sure about where to set my boundaries.
But when we moved in together and he changed, that wasn’t some isolated moments. That was most of the time that he was cold and uninterest, and it went on for a.few weeks (almost 2 months ) where i’ ve been patient and understanding, and then I told him I was done because his behavior was making me sad and unhappy (it felt very much like to live with my parents again).
I’m confused and would be happy to hear your opinion.
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