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September 24, 2018 at 4:31 am #226931HannahParticipant
I think I have a negative view of myself. I don’t ever feel like anyone really likes me or that I’m good at anything. I often feel lonely and like people aren’t really interested in me or want to be around me.
I pick up on things that reinforce these ideas in my head, like when I’m speaking to people they might start looking at their phone or not even be listening or speak over me. I don’t have many friends and whenever I get into a relationship I begin to feel worse and worse as I pick up on ‘cues’ or behaviour that makes me feel like they only want me because they are bored or for sex. I start feeling like I’m not attractive enough or that I’m boring and I become obsessed with trying to be ‘better’.
I am constantly feeling like I need to change my life and be better in every aspect but it’s overwhelming so I don’t end up really doing anything.
I’m not making the most of my life as I am always unhappy or worried and I just really need some help to feel happy with myself the way I am.
September 24, 2018 at 5:41 am #226943AnonymousGuestDear Hannah:
I experienced life very similar to the way you do, I too had “a negative view of myself. I (didn’t) ever feel like anyone really likes me or that I’m good at anything. I often feel lonely”, and I too was “obsessed with trying to be ‘better’… constantly feeling like I need to change my life and be better in every aspect”-
I felt that I needed to be someone else, not who I was: inferior to others, not worth it, not worth other people’s respect. It was a miserable way to live that brought about dysfunction in every aspect of my life.
This attitude, this deep core belief of being less-than, came about because I really was treated as less than by mother. I really was disrespected. So I believed it was so because there was something very wrong and very inferior about me. And then, this core belief kept getting activated every day of my life.
What about you as a child, were you treated disrespectfully, ignored, unattended to, as if you were not important?
anita
September 24, 2018 at 5:56 am #226947HannahParticipantHi Anita, I am really sorry to hear this happened to you. It is such an awful, consuming way to feel all the time. I am 28 and I feel that I am yet to be in a period of life where I feel content or happy.
Have you been able to overcome these feelings now? If so how have you been able to do this?
I was raised in a strict religion (perhaps some would say a cult) that placed value on abiding by the rules of the religion. Anyone that messed up or left was seen as stupid or a bad person. My parents put the religion first, above everything else. As I got older I realised I didn’t believe in the religion and I left. This caused a lot of rejection from friends and family so perhaps this is why. In particular my father made me feel as if I was disgusting and I no longer have a relationship with him.
September 24, 2018 at 7:25 am #226957AnonymousGuestDear Hannah:
Thank you for your empathy. Yes, it has been a painful way to live. Those childhood emotional injuries do bleed into the present. More and more so, beginning in the last year or so, I do feel equal to others and it is a new feeling for me, very refreshing. I know that if this is how I felt in my twenties and thirties, my life would have been so very different for it. It is a different way of seeing everything.
Regarding how it is that I feel differently, that is equal, worthy, not inferior to others: I had to go back to my childhood and figure out what happened there. It took me a long, long time to do so. Finally, I was able to see my mother for who she was, and me, for who I was. I was finally able to see me not as who she claimed I was, but for who I was. I didn’t know until recently that I was not that Nothing she claimed that I was.
I re-read your first thread from January-February of this year. You wrote there: “I feel awkward crying in front of (your boyfriend). It is almost as if the pain will be worse if I have to verbalise it to explain why I am crying..”- that pain doesn’t go away when you don’t cry. It doesn’t get weaker. Instead, it keeps bleeding into the present, keep reminding us that it is there.
You also wrote: “I want to try to not feel ashamed of my life and my choices in front of my family”- you felt ashamed when you found out that your father read your journal, when he told others about it. That shame too keeps bleeding into the present. You don’t feel ashamed only around family members but around anyone, everyone, anytime.
I had to go back to my childhood so to see that it was my mother who was wrong, not me. In your case, you probably need to go back to the past so to see that it was your father who was in the wrong for reading your journal and sharing it with others. It was not you who was wrong. Shame, really was in his behavior, not in yours. When you realize this, you no longer “look in the mirror… see all my flaws. Too fat, too pale, too quiet”, etc. And so you don’t have this compulsion to change yourself so to no longer feel shame. You realize that you were fine from the very beginning, nothing to change.
You mentioned having gone to counseling early in the year, are you still going?
anita
September 24, 2018 at 10:00 am #227013HannahParticipantHi Anita,
Did you have counselling or therapy to reach this stage? Or is it a case of having to constantly remind yourself of the fact that you are not the person your mother said you were? I think it is so difficult to let go of the beliefs our parents instill in us because they taught us when we were growing and you look to them to learn how to live and what to believe.
Thank-you for remembering my post from earlier on in the year, I have re-read it and I feel like these feelings keep cycling through my life. The people and circumstances may change but these feelings manifest again and again.
I do feel ashamed all the time when I really think about it. Whenever I speak to anyone I assume they are thinking negative things about me because I feel like a failure or worthless. Sometimes I even feel embarrassed to eat at work and I’ll let people push in front of me in queues and things like that because I don’t feel like I deserve to go first.
I think the problems with my family will always be a struggle because if they knew some of the things I did they would probably shun me completely and never speak to me again. I now have a nephew and another one on the way and it would hurt me very deeply to not be able to see them. I don’t introduce my boyfriend to them and I can’t talk too much about my life as I don’t want them to leave me, so I think there will always be an element of shame as I can’t be open with them. It’s hard to process this and ‘categorise’ these thoughts in a way that I can accept without feeling guilt.
I allow myself to cry in private when I need to, but I do very much struggle to cry in front of other people.
I feel like these problems are preventing me from having a healthy romantic relationship. I start off ok when I can distant myself, but once things get more intense and feelings and attachment are involved, I straight away start to feel insecure and inadequate. I feel like they are losing interest or that they do not love me enough (although I don’t know what ‘enough’ would even really look like). We spoke before on my post about feeling insecure because my partner is attractive and he had been using dating sites whilst with me. I can understand that this is not an acceptable behaviour so it’s normal to feel insecure after this has happened, but with the existing issues I feel like I would have ended up feeling insecure anyway. I did not feel this way at the beginning. It is as soon as I start to care about someone that I am suddenly terrified of losing them and then I become certain that I will lose them because I feel like I am not enough.
I stopped my counselling because my counsellor was focusing very much on my mother’s death. She asked a lot of difficult questions and I would go away feeling very upset. I feel like maybe this is part of the process but I didn’t want to feel so weak and down that I couldn’t face getting out of bed and going to work.
September 24, 2018 at 11:38 am #227123AnonymousGuestDear Hannah:
I did have my first quality psychotherapy n 2011-13 which was the beginning of my healing process. I read part of your thread and I want to re-read it and the rest tomorrow morning with what I hope to have then, an awake and fresh brain. I will soon be away from the computer and back to reply to you in about 15 hours.
anita
September 25, 2018 at 10:31 am #227445AnonymousGuestDear Hannah:
I agree: “it is so difficult to let go of the beliefs our parents instill in us because they taught us when we were growing and you look to them to learn how to live and what to believe”- our core beliefs about what and who we are, these are formed during our childhood formative years. These core beliefs are words/ thoughts glued together with strong emotion, recorded in our brain. These get activated every day and greatly influence our choices every day, in small ways and big ways.
Like you wrote, “these feelings (the glue I mentioned) keep cycling through my life.. these feelings manifest again and again”
One such strong feeling/ glue, is the shame you mentioned: “I do feel ashamed all the time.. Whenever I speak to anyone… eat at work”. The core belief is: I am worthless and the glue that hold this thought in place is shame. This core belief leads to many thoughts during the day: “they are thinking negative things about me… I don’t deserve to go first”, and to choices based on these thoughts: “I’ll let people push in front of me”
I understand your attachment to your nephew, and that you will be meeting a baby second nephew soon. It will be better for you if you ended contact with anyone in your family whose sight, whose voice enforces this core belief, but I understand you are not likely to do so because of your love for your nephew and the one to come.
“It is as soon as I stat to care about someone that I am suddenly terrified of losing them”- as a human you need love so you are drawn to this or that man hoping to-love-and-be-loved. Soon enough the core belief is activated and fear takes over. You can’t prevent the activation nor the fear. Your best bet is to control your behavior, this is the only area you have some power over. And this is the start of healing, choosing your behavior thoughtfully, with awareness, instead of automatically reacting to the fear.
I understand why you stopped counseling. A counselor has to go very slowly with an anxious client, so that the client doesn’t get overwhelmed with fear. You wanted to keep the level of functioning you did have (“getting out of bed and going to work”), you didn’t want to lose that.
I share the same core belief as you have and my behavior in the past was severely affected, made very poor choices and lived a dysfunctional life as a result. The process of change has been extremely slow and gradual. It started with therapy but following more than two years of therapy, this core belief was unchanged. It took years after, ongoing healing. Suddenly it appeared, (although it wasn’t sudden), I found myself looking at another person, talking to another and not feeling less than at the same time!
Like magic. Again, it took forever, but I was still surprised to feel differently, to not feel the shame that was my constant companion. There is no way that I can describe the process in one post, can’t be done. But I would like to share more and more with you, if you want. Let us keep communicating and we will both learn from each other.
anita
September 25, 2018 at 3:10 pm #227503LeePParticipantHi,
This is my first time posting here, but Hannah, you sounded like you were describing me, and I have read posts before and always enjoy reading Anita’s responses because you always sound so encouraging and empathetic. At 60 years old, I’m starting (again) to work on finding my place in the world. Lost my husband to cancer almost a year ago, and I didn’t know who I was when I wasn’t his wife any more. But even before that, all my life in fact, I didn’t really know who I was. Been reading self-help books since I was a teen, and they help me feel inspired, but I don’t seem to keep at it and get depressed again. I think learning to love, or at the very least like, yourself is the key, but how do you do that when you don’t know yourself very well? I also think I’m afraid to look, but I’ve been trying, and I think I can see some progress finally. I don’t really have any advice for you Hannah, except to keep your head up and keep trying. Best of luck!
September 28, 2018 at 8:49 am #227925HannahParticipantHi Anita,
Sorry for the late response. What you said about the core beliefs really rings true for me. I loved my mother very much but if I look back honestly, there were times when she said things that have now become my insecurities. For example I remember her saying that I had ‘thunder thighs’ when I was about four or five. Every day I look in the mirror and feel like my legs are ugly and fat. I have an overbite which my mum and my sister used to comment on and I have recently begun dental treatment to fix it because I feel like that’s all people see when they look at me. She also used to say my hair looked dead and flat quite a lot when I was younger. I now have hair extensions because I am so self-conscious about my hair. These are all things that I know are just shallow but they make me feel like I’m unattractive and that people see me as less valuable. These are things that I particularly get self-conscious about when I am in a relationship because I feel like other women see me with my partner and think that he is too good for me.
I wrote on another post about how my current boyfriend was still using dating websites after he told me he loved me. I have tried to move past this but it has re-inforced these negative ideas about myself because I feel like I clearly wasn’t good enough otherwise he wouldn’t be looking elsewhere. I now get paranoid about everything. We usually see each other at weekends and this weekend he has today said he will only be able to spend a little while with me because he has to work on a car for his dad. Earlier on in the week he followed a girl on instagram. In my head I now feel like he has arranged to see this girl at the weekend and the story about the car is a lie.
I agree that it would probably be best to cut all ties with everyone from that religion and that time. But I feel as if it would really destroy me to do that. I already feel very alone, and even though I don’t see them all that often, I would feel very isolated in the world.
When you said about choosing behaviour carefully and not reacting to the fear and insecurity, I agree totally with this. The part I struggle with is working out which feelings I have are irrational and a result of insecurity and which feelings are justified because of someone behaving unacceptably.
If you don’t mind me asking, what poor choices did you make? And how did they affect your life?
I would be very interested in hearing more about your story and I am really happy to hear that you have been able to shift some of those feelings of shame. There are times when I feel like I am strong and have grown, but then it seems to all come crumbling down again.
September 28, 2018 at 8:56 am #227929HannahParticipantHi LeeP,
Thank you for your reply. I am so sorry to hear that you lost your husband. Cancer is a very cruel disease.
When you say you didn’t know who you were, why do you feel that way? Did you feel like you followed along with what your husband wanted in life, or what you felt your family/peers/society felt you should do?
Why do you feel that you are afraid to look?
I can empathise with ‘not knowing who you are’. I think when you move away from one life (so with me, away from the religion, and with you, away from your life with your husband) you perhaps are so used to living a certain way or being a certain way that is so intertwined with other people that you forget to take stock of what you really want or how you really feel. It is definitely easier to be taken along with the current than to swim against it.
September 28, 2018 at 12:20 pm #227979LeePParticipantDear Hannah,
Thank you for your condolences.
First I want to say that I read your post to Anita, and what you said about the comments from your mother and sister and how they still color the way you look at yourself really resonated with me–I have the same problem (I’m still worried about my “pointy chin”). Part of why I feel that I don’t know who I am is that my “authentic self” was so unacceptable to me that I created an “ideal persona” (to which I didn’t fit), and when I realized that it no longer served me, I couldn’t seem to find who I really was in there. Or maybe it was the unacceptability of who I was (to family and, later, to classmates until it felt like the whole world reacted negatively to me). Andy was the first and most consistent in accepting me, but I had things that I couldn’t open up even to him about. Some were because of the shame I feel and some were because he was very vulnerable and couldn’t accept some things in himself–I guess maybe there are some things about all of us that we can’t face. I’m trying now, though, to at least face these things and come to accept them in myself.
Thanks, Lee
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September 28, 2018 at 12:43 pm #227995LeePParticipantDear Hannah,
I also wanted to say, but forgot to in my previous post, that being concerned with your body image isn’t shallow, especially when it was a source of ridicule during your formative years. Wanting to look your best, and feeling that you like how you look, is important when trying to retrain your perspective. I wish you success with overcoming this. Wish I had some suggestions to help, but I’m still working on it. Baby steps is what I was told.
September 28, 2018 at 12:57 pm #227997AnonymousGuestDear Hannah:
The real gods in our lives are our parents, isn’t that amazing? When your mother told you what she told you about your body, it was not just a person saying those things, it was the most important person in your young life saying those things. We do imagine our parents are all-knowing, all-powerful when we are children. Like gods.
I understand your confusion about which of your feelings reveal reality and which don’t, which are a result of sickness. This is the confusion I suffered from for decades!
It will take time but sooner than later, if you persist, maybe with some help, you will be able to tell the difference. Let’s take this weekend situation that you mentioned, is your anxiety indicating that he lied to you and is planning to meet the girl on Instagram, or he told you the truth and has no such plan?
I don’t know the answer to it yet. Let’s see… first thing to do is calm down that anxiety, soften it, weaken it. A long walk can accomplish that, a hot bath perhaps, both, maybe a good movie to watch. There is a guided meditation I remember in which you visualize your thoughts coming into the room through one window and exiting through another, it helps to separate yourself from those obsessive thoughts.
Accept that if indeed he lied to you and will see another girl, that you will survive it. No matter how painful, you will make it through alive. Then wait, occupying yourself with something productive, or that walk.
When you talk to him, you can ask him what work he is doing on the car, ask questions, what kind of car is he working on, did he work on it before, how is it to work with his father… that way you get to learn about his interests, his skills, even his relationship with his father. If he hesitates for too long before telling you what car he will be working on, as if he is trying to come up with an answer, that will be a cause for concern.
It takes time and patience. Let me know what transpires this weekend regarding your boyfriend, will you?
Regarding poor choices that I made, my goodness, there were so many, most choices I made were poor and many were about not choosing at all, that is, letting others choose for me. I would say that letting others choose for me was my poorest choice of all. How it affected my life? It served the interest of those who chose for me at my expense.
I will soon be away from the computer for the next fifteen hours or so. I hope to read about your weekend soon.
anita
September 28, 2018 at 2:01 pm #228017LeePParticipantWow, Anita, you offer such great insights! But 0ne thing I would worry about if I were Hannah: what if his response is to demand why she is questioning him or act hurt and ask why she doesn’t trust him (that last always got me, and then I would turn it on myself and believe it and feel shame and give in)? Hope I’m not making trouble by asking, as I would like your input on this for my own “toolbox.” Thanks, Lee
September 29, 2018 at 9:32 am #228115AnonymousGuest* Dear Lee: I am glad you are posting here and if you would like to start your own thread, I will be glad to communicate with you there. As far as asking a person questions, I didn’t mean to ask him questions the way a police officer would ask a suspect, or a prosecutor would ask a defendant, but to ask questions instead so to learn about him. When suspicion is there, it is there, but care needs to be placed on not asking questions in an accusatory way. Instead, focus is on the long term objective of learning who is the person we are in a relationship with, as well as developing the skill itself of asking-for-information.
anita
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