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    Meg
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    My SO and I have been together for 10 years and share a 7 year old special needs child. We’ve had many problems over the course of the relationship. He had many different examples in his life of healthy relationships; I do not. I never had a father and was abused growing up in all the ways. I married young (20) and was with him for 11 years. It was an abusive relationship as well.
    When I met my current partner I had been single for about 4 years (divorced for 7 years). I have no contact with my ex husband. I was feeling very sure of myself  and felt like I was ready for a relationship. A few months in I found out he was communicating with an ex. It’s was mostly harmless but it made me uncomfortable. I had already been told off for being friends with someone I had gone on a few dates with…this was someone he was going to marry. He said he would cut off communication with her; that it wasn’t a big deal.

    When we decided to have a child, we had a time limit because I was 40 and admittedly we rushed into that. I thought it would take awhile and we would have to do the stuff we needed, like move in together among other things. We ended up pregnant 3 weeks later. I worked full time and he is a musician. For months I begged him to look for a house and he never did. I finally found one and we moved in 3 months before our son came. (I also have another son, but not from my ex husband). Things were obviously crazy when the baby came and it was ten years after my first so it all felt new again. And I had to go back to work so fast; I was a mess. I had a lot of health problems, mostly mental, after having him. I found out when he was 6 months that my body had gone into full blown menopause. Then my husband’s dad fell ill and passed. Then my son was diagnosed with autism and I had changed careers to go back to teaching so I would at least be off during the summer. It was a nightmare. I had no support. I couldn’t support him even though I tried.

    When Covid hit it made everything worse because we were stuck in the house together. It got so bad I checked myself into a hospital (for which I was told that I made everyone else’s life so hard because I was gone for 15 days.) When I got out I asked him to leave and he did. Then he got sick and almost died and nothing was really said, when he got better he just came home. We didn’t fight but we didn’t talk either.

    Fast forward to this past Thanksgiving, I was home alone (his sister hates me and I don’t like her either so I’m not invited to Thanksgiving). And then was scrolling social media and I see a conversation between his ex and his sister. I freaked out and whether it was right or wrong, I opened his Facebook and looked at his messages. He had not only been talking to her for years, he was bad mouthing me, telling her all about my female health issues, telling her he didn’t love me, etc. I was so upset and called him immediately. I also sent her a message. He denied that it was infidelity and we fought about it for a month before I tried to find a therapist for us. I didn’t connect with the first 3 we have had and was trying to set up another one when I found some more messages to multiple people again them all my personal health business and not being at all kind. The last therapist helped a little but he was basically having me do all the work (reading the books, etc.) and then I would highlight things and that is what we would talk about but my partner just kept saying he’s not good at reading (he’s read all the game of thrones books).

    He has been saying less negative things about me to his friends and family, but I cannot stop thinking about everything I read or was told. This past weekend he talked about signing some common law marriage paperwork and me taking his last name and 15 min after was telling his cousin he wished he had never brought me into their lives and making fun of the fact that I want to try “yet another” therapist.

    i want to believe he wants to work on this but his actions say he doesn’t. I want to leave, but we are financially stuck for at least a year. He says he only says things because I make him mad, but I’m not allowed to say things when I’m mad or I get called hysterical or that I’m overreacting. I have recently been diagnosed as autistic as well but that doesn’t seem to matter to him and he doesn’t believe it. I think it explains a lot of the miscommunication and misunderstanding on my part.

    I am wondering if anyone has tips on how to stop myself from constantly living in the memories of what I’ve read and heard said about me. And how do I reconcile the fact that he says one thing to me but is still saying the opposite to his family and friends?

    #436403
    anita
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    Dear Meg:

    I never had a father and was abused growing up in all the ways“- I am sorry that you were abused growing up, and in all the ways that you were abused. I wish that growing up was a different, way better experience for you.

    He had many different examples in his life of healthy relationships; I do not“- from what you shared about him, if he had an example of a healthy relationship, the example didn’t make much of an impression on him.

    I found out when he (son) was 6 months that my body had gone into full blown menopause. Then my husband’s dad fell ill and passed. Then my son was diagnosed with autism and I had changed careers to go back to teaching… When Covid hit it made everything worse because we were stuck in the house together. It got so bad I checked myself into a hospital…When I got out I asked him to leave and he did. Then he got sick and almost died“- a rollercoaster of distressing events with no emotional support for you.

    Fast forward to this past Thanksgiving…  I opened his Facebook and looked at his messages. He had not only been talking to her for years, he was bad mouthing me, telling her all about my female health issues, telling her he didn’t love me, etc… He has been saying less negative things about me to his friends and family, but I cannot stop thinking about everything I read or was told… I want to believe he wants to work on this but his actions say he doesn’t. I want to leave, but we are financially stuck for at least a year. He says he only says things because I make him mad…  I am wondering if anyone has tips on how to stop myself from constantly living in the memories of what I’ve read and heard said about me. And how do I reconcile the fact that he says one thing to me but is still saying the opposite to his family and friends?“- you can’t unhear what you heard, unread what you read. To be hurt less by all that you read and heard/ to stop obsessing about it, it’ll help if you completely accept that he, your SO,  is not a decent person. A decent person wouldn’t repeatedly gossip about people, especially not about the female  health issues of the mother of his son, information that should be private!

    To completely accept that he is not a decent person is to no longer hope that he will change and become decent. Hope is a bad thing when it keeps us anxiously waiting for something good to happen, something that doesn’t happen day after day, year after year.

    Sometimes we wait for so long, we forget what it is we’re waiting for.

    Accepting vs waiting for a positive change may lessen your anxiety and prevent future disappointments because you’d be prepared for him being more of who he is (future gossips, future irresponsibility, etc.)

    * Maybe he will change one day, but it didn’t happen yet, it doesn’t seem like it’s happening, and it may never happen.

    What do you think of my reply so far, do you think it make sense?

    anita

    #436408
    Meg
    Participant

    Anita,

    thank you so much for your response. The thing you said about hope struck me deeply. I think I am stuck in that hope.
    For most of my life I’ve kept my mouth shut when people hurt me. In the past few years I’ve tried to handle things then and there and when it doesn’t go well or I am not able to get my point across, I leave. This has happened a few times at thanksgiving and my leaving is the only part of the whole thing that seems to be the problem. I’ve apologized, I’ve tried to explain why I have to leave (to my SO, because he wants me to keep the peace and not say anything). They never like how I approach anything and tell me I am attacking. I write things out, I feel like I am better at getting my point across, but no matter the way I word it, I get told that the way I express my hurt is too much and comes off mean.

    I think I know it’s over but the biggest obstacle to us having any kind of relationship right now is me constantly feeling angry or mad about his words. They spin on repeat and I either sob or get really angry or both.

    we have also changed therapists several times because I don’t feel a good connection with them and that gets thrown around to other people as I’m mad the therapists aren’t siding with me. Which is not it at all.

    I’ve read so many books but I can’t keep it all straight let alone remember it all in the heat of arguments. I just want to forget all of it because it has made me feel so bad about myself. But it’s like my brain is screaming at me to keep talking about it.

    #436409
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Meg:

    You are very welcome! I am running out of time and will reply further either tonight or Wed morning (it’s Tues afternoon here). but for now, The Serenity Prayer may help you, not in a religious sense but for the principle it’s about:

    god, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
    the courage to change the things I can,
    and the wisdom to know the difference.
    Look around you, your life circumstances, the people in your life: what can you change? What must you accept if you want some serenity?
    anita
    #436416
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Meg:

    For most of my life I’ve kept my mouth shut when people hurt me“- same here, except that much of the time, although I was hurting, I couldn’t tell if someone was hurting me, or if I was hurt because something was terribly wrong with me.

    no matter the way I word it, I get told that the way I express my hurt is too much and comes off mean“- I wish I could see/ hear you in such a circumstance and figure for myself if you sound mean (very angry, punishing).. or just hurt.

    me constantly feeling angry or mad about his words. They spin on repeat and I either sob or get really angry or both“- how can anyone not get really angry hearing one’s SO gossip about them, revealing medical secrets etc.?

    in the heat of arguments“- what do you say and do when really angry, in the heat of arguments?

    anita

    #436417
    Tommy
    Participant

    Wow, that is a lot of tragedy for one person to go thru. I am sorry for such sorrow. What can one do to forget and not have to bring up memories of bad stuff? If you find out then let me know. I have a memory of a day with my high school girlfriend. It went terrible and she broke up with me. I go back to that day in my mind and go thru what I should have done. What I could have done. Anything to make me not feel this way. And this memory pops up everyday.  Oh, I found her thru the internet and called her up. We talked but I am still haunted by my memory of that day. She since has passed away from lung Cancer.

    I know this sounds easy, forgive. Forgive them and forgive yourself. This will lighten the load on your heart. I have spent much time sitting in meditation. The time spent just sitting and watching my breath has helped me. Helped me to understand myself. It has let me know that I can choose to identify with my thoughts or not to be swept away by my thoughts. It allows me to let go of the memory of that day. I do not have to relive it over and over again. Regret? Sure, why not. Something I did or did not do?? Doesn’t matter anymore. Love? Just a feeling?

    I try to practice being here and now. Watch people’s actions and their intentions. It isn’t what they say that matters. It is what they do (their actions) and their intentions when they do it. If you found out your SO or whatever is bad mouthing you, then did you ask why they do that? Ask why they feel the need to hurt you? Make them understand that they are hurting a person. Not just an insignificant person. But, someone they are suppose to care for?

    Yeah, listen to Anita. She has been here helping people for almost forever. She is good. “god, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference.”

    #436433
    Helcat
    Participant

    Hi Meg

    I’m sorry to hear about all of the difficulties throughout your life.

    Whilst it is respectful not to discuss private life with others in a relationship, a lot of people do it. People vent and gossip, it is a part of life.

    However, your partner has done some things that are worse to me. He said that he doesn’t love you and mocks you. People can discuss things in a more respectful way. He isn’t treating you will respect. He is treating you disrespectfully and at this point is doing it knowing that you will see the messages. He doesn’t care if he hurts you. He lied to you about talking to his ex and is controlling demanding that you behave in certain ways and refuses to adhere to his own standards. He is refusing to engage with counselling by refusing the materials and not saying much. He allows his family to disrespect you and expects for you to accept it alone.

    Why do you want to forgive and forget all of these things? Your pain is just, ignoring it would be a mistake.

    That you are tied together by a child and financially for a year doesn’t mean that you need to stay a couple in a relationship. There are other options. You could treat him only as a co-parent. Let the relationship between you pass and focus on healing your pain. You deserve so much more. What do you think?

    Love and best wishes! ❤️🙏

    #436460
    Meg
    Participant

    Thank you yo everyone. I will reply with a longer post later this evening. You’ve all been very helpful!

    #436476
    anita
    Participant

    You are welcome, Meg. Thank you for the note, Looking forward to your reply.

    anita

    #436492
    Meg
    Participant

    I’ve been thinking about all your responses and you have all helped so much!

    I agree that we could/should stop trying and just call it co-parenting…I have tried, but it seems when I act cordial or at the very least civil, he assumes “everything is ok”.  That lasts until something bothers me so much that I ask to talk about it. He always get defensive, he even says he knows he’s being defensive, but nothing gets resolved. It feels like groundhogs day…be quiet, get upset, wait to talk, when I do bring it up it starts an argument and my reaction is always the problem, never the actual problem. I try so hard to just not bring anything up but it’s like it fills up my body and I have to get it out.

    My therapist has suggested me letting myself worry for like 10 min everyday, but like, how? lol. This is the thing I tell her. It’s like it’s all or nothing in my brain. Today, right now, I am ok. I’m getting my work done and feel ok. But man, when it comes on it derails me!

    #436494
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Meg:

    It feels like groundhogs day.. be quiet, get upset, wait to talk, when I do bring it up it starts an argument and my reaction is always the problem, never the actual problem…. Today, right now, I am ok. I’m getting my work done and feel ok. But man, when it comes on it derails me!“- best would be for the two of you to live apart. Is there no way at all to make it happen?

    To cut the habitual groundhogs-day-chain, I suggest that you no longer wait to talk to him, and that you don’t talk to him anymore. No taking= no argument= no reaction on your part for him to falsely blame as the problem. (It will be difficult to break the habit though).

    anita

    #436495
    Helcat
    Participant

    Hi Meg

    No doubt these things are difficult. You haven’t really had closure. It must be incredibly hard living with someone who you are co-parenting with and the relationship is failing. I can only imagine how painful it is and whatever I might imagine is only a fraction of it.

    Your idea of couples counselling is a good one. It is not just for fixing relationships, it is also there to help things come to an end in a peaceful way.

    Worrying for 10 minutes every day could involve writing your thoughts and feelings down.

    I would suggest also trying to define what responsibilities you have to each other, living together and to your son. Some things are more expected of partners, than a co-parent.

    Do you have a support network at all?

    Love and best wishes! ❤️🙏

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