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  • #275651
    John
    Participant

    Do you think I may be recreating home by making woman to be in distress? (The woman we talk about accuses me of being cold, not caring of her emotions, she did everything etc. – but thats at point of cutting the losses off).

     

    Or am I used to woman who is in distress and easily accepting it without 2nd thought. I feel I want to help / rescue. I want her to be happy. The last relationship… I underestimated the size of work that needs to be done. Just thought if I care/love/be present all will be good. Turned it but me instead.

    #275653
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear John:

    The young boy that you were, “standing there looing at her and closing the door devastated”. He must have felt relief when she “came back few minutes later”. But he didn’t forget that she left and he knew she may leave again anytime and never come back.

    His fear and devastation were alive in him and remained so into adulthood. And then you meet his woman who is also in pain, like your mother, who is crying, like your mother. So you figure you will do something this time, you will not close the door on her. You will keep the door open but you will tell her what she needs to do for you to keep the door open, how she must behave.

    Back to the young boy that you were: how did you try then, as a child, to keep your mother from leaving, to take her pain away?

    anita

    #275655
    Anonymous
    Guest

    * I wrote the above post before reading your most recent post. Better you wait for my reply before posting again so to avoid double postings.

    #275659
    John
    Participant

    I can’t remember how I cared for her. Something else came to my mind… i never saw my dad caring for her, as a child I didn’t learn how to care for my mam.

    I didn’t feel she cared for me emotionally, but she did a lot in likes of clothes, food, tidy home etc. I am strongly looking for emotional connection with my woman as adult. I remember feeling like having two Me’s. One external and one internal – I liked to look at small objects that were forgotten and unimportant and focus on them.

    #275663
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear John:

    “I remember feeling like having two Me’s. One external and one internal”- how did the external you behave toward your mother/ your father?

    -what did the internal you feel about your mother/ your father?

    anita

    #275667
    John
    Participant

    External – did what I was asked for.

    Internal – liked my mam, more idealized my dad – he wasn’t home a lot but based my idea of him on what mam said – not positive.

    My dad wasnt focused on emotions. Rough up bringing. His sons (us) were never good enough.

    Mam did absolutely everything possible for us, but turned out as an adult to manipulate through guilt tripping a lot.

     

    #275673
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear John:

    How did your mother use guilt to manipulate you?

    anita

    #275679
    John
    Participant

    One day I found her lying on the kitchen floor, pretending unconsious. I panicked ran for help to my brother, he was slow, when I came back she was happily standing smiling saying it was a joke because I was naughty.

    These days she says: why are you going, it may be last time you see me. Or. She joked one day saying that law is this way that she can bring me to court for care for her. She is fine financially, she still runs her own business.

    In general she is nice. But may run her own agenda and throw a fuss if things dont go her way. I can finely defend from it as an adult.

    #275681
    John
    Participant

    And most recent Woman did same at times: you are leaving me, my children and my whole family… but why don’t you talk to me kindly like you really loved me (when things came to the surface about other guy – I said she cant expect me to stroke her hair for lying and hurting me). She often says: …if you really loved me… when did your love disappeared… It was just a small thing and you blow it out of proportion – you must be sick… When I put puzzles together and put unterpretation on it – I told you that in trust like to a friend and you are using it against me (when she says she sonetimes fancies a guy at the dinner table – and I say it is unbelivable that woman who tells me I am all her love l and life still looks at other man in an attractiveness context within first few months of relationship – I saw the whole world in her and was happy to announce it to the world – she had difficulty introducing me to people from her circles, had to do it myslef)

    #275699
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear John:

    “In general she is nice”, you wrote about your mother. I am so sorry to read how cruel she is at times.

    The general nice does not make up to the cruelty of pretending to be dead, and enjoying seeing you panicked. No niceness, no good food, no clothing or toys in all of one’s childhood can make up, or neutralize one act of cruelty of this magnitude.

    I need to be away from the computer for about fifteen hours. I read little of your recent two posts and will re-read them (and anything you may add) when I am back to the computer. I will reply to you when I am back.

    anita

    #275703
    John
    Participant

    Yes, I didn’t like Christmas. Each year everybody were prepping food and tree and cleaning everywhere but nobody had time to be one with another. I often put headphones on to isolate and enjoy “something”. When parents strenght mildened down over years and we as kids took over it is slightly different. But this feeling of my family usually holding back emotions and using narrow family language is still there.

    Yes, there was money and toys and holidays, but there was little real fun, happiness of being alive and enjoying little moments.

    I will be away for at least 12 hours from now on. Seems we are both in similar time zone.

    Thank you

    Take care

    #275731
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear John:

    You are welcome. The first woman a boy needs is his mother. A boy needs his mother desperately. It feels like his life depends on her.

    What does a boy do when he sees his mother lying on the floor, dead or dying?

    He panics, he runs for help. This is what you did, you ran for help, fear pumping your heart, out of breath, time seems to go on forever, your brother was too slow, so it seemed, you finally get back to your mother.

    She is no longer lying on the floor. She is “happily standing smiling saying it was a joke because I was naughty”.

    What does a child feel at that point: relieved his mother is not dead, but well, smiling. Confused, not understanding what happened. He hears her say he was naughty. He stands there looking at his mother, and he doesn’t understand. What happened..

    That was not the only time she did things that confused you.

    Confused, “you liked to look at small objects that were forgotten and unimportant and focus on them”- maybe those objects were not confusing. Maybe there was clarity and calm in looking at a simple object, a forgotten, unimportant object. There was definitely a lot of confusion looking at the never-forgotten, most important object in your young life- your mother.

    This current woman in your life, she seems like another confusing big object, says things, does different things, cries, then lies, promises, teases you, telling you she fancies another guy at the dinner table, probably sending naked selfies to a married man while telling you that she intended to send those to you but were too shy… what you have here is a dishonest woman, one who lies.

    A young boy doesn’t have a choice, there is that woman, his mother, he has only that one. He can’t say: I don’t like this woman, I am going to get another mother for myself.  So he tries to fix the situation. If he is never again naughty, maybe then she will stop teasing him,  pretending to be dead, or tormenting him otherwise. Maybe if he makes himself very small, so she doesn’t see him and forgets to tease him. He tries different ways to make it work.

    You are a man now but the boy inside you is still trying different ways to make this woman be right for you. He doesn’t know he can choose another woman, a different, honest woman. He is no longer a dependent child, it is not this woman or no one at all.

    My advice: stay away from all the dishonest women in your life. There are plenty, be aware. Choose a woman who doesn’t lie (wouldn’t that be a wonderful, wonderful thing?)

    Choose a woman that when she says something, you know she will follow through with action. Choose a woman who wants to do what is right, not one you … have to teach her what is right, or guide her to do  what is right. She is not interested in such guidance.

    You wrote about your mother that she said to you recently that “law is this way that she can bring me to court for care for her”- I am not familiar with such a law regarding an adult child being financially responsible for a parent. Are you?

    anita

     

    #275747
    John
    Participant

    I have only heard about such a law, but wasn’t willing to go about finding out details of it.

    Anita, it seems as simple as that, to find one that values honesty. It takes a short while or a sensitive instinct to detect such. I think I will have to reassess my choices over all, I am simply worried about my trust/energy investment versus outcome. It really took a lot of me to enter and bring this relationship to structure.

    Thank you very much for all your insights.

    #275755
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear John:

    The law your mother mentioned to you, that may very well be a lie.

    Regarding you being worried about your “trust/energy investment versus outcome”- better have a positive return on investment in every one of your relationships in life. If you have no return on investment, or a negative return, minimize (ex., in the context of work relationships), or end the relationship.

    Post again anytime, today, tomorrow, a month from now, whenever you think it may help you to post.

    anita

    #275757
    John
    Participant

    I have to admit I grieve today. Plenty of dreams came to an with this decision to end this relationship. I gave it a very good chance.

    Now its about what life brings next.

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