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  • #155958
    Scott
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    Dear Anita,

    Thanks for the response before bed, hope you rest well. I think what causes her annoyance is partially being away from me as summer involves working and not much entertainment. I see it as an outlet for her boredom or insecurity. On the other hand, I think that my anxiety and “nice guy” habits can annoy her when I probe too much for information or ask her to open up so I can understand her. Lately it just seems like she has been in this annoyed state and it’s like I’m pulling all the weight. It’s like I have to start the conversations and send long enough messages or questions to elaborate on for her to stay responding. It’s hard to know what she is thinking when annoyed because when I ask all she says is “I don’t know, I just get annoyed”. She doesn’t really offer any helpful input, which is frustrating for me.

    I sometimes feel like a parent in that I’m always the one cheering her up or being logical about something or telling her something she doesn’t know because it’s obvious I’m more intelligent than her. And by baby I mean that when we’re together she is super lovey and touchy and clings to me and becomes so sweet. So when we separate and she doesn’t sound or act like this I’m left confused.

    #155964
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Scott:

    Thank you, I rested well enough. As I read your most recent post, and since we are now communicating about your girlfriend’s attitude and behavior, I was thinking how very intelligent  you are for any age, but especially a 20 year old.  I was wondering about the gap there probably is in the level of thinking and understanding between you and her, and then I got to your sentence: “it’s obvious I’m more intelligent than her”- and it instantly clicked with me. The level of awareness that you have must exceed hers by a lot. Maybe this is what you meant about being a parent figure.

    If I was focused last night as I read your previous post, I would have asked:

    1. How does she take advantage of your kind heart? (“I feel like she… uses this ‘annoyed’ state to take advantage of my kind heart”)/ How is she using your reaching out to her against you (“I… reached out to her… but I feel it’s being used against me”)

    2. What is the nature of the “push/push (or did you mean push/pull?) between us and our needs”?

    My thoughts at this point:

    You wrote: “I probe too much for information or ask her to open up… I have to start the conversations and send long enough messages or questions to elaborate on… when I ask all she says is ‘I don’t know, I just get annoyed’. She doesn’t really offer any helpful input, which is frustrating for me”-

    To be annoyed is to be a little bit angry. It could very well be that she is, as you suggested,  a little bit angry about working when she prefers not to, about not being engaged in entertaining activities, going out… could be about the temperature, too hot in the summer… maybe she is hungry, or tired.. could be so many things. And so, she may not have an answer because there are multiple factors involved and it is difficult or impossible, for anyone, to be aware of them all and what factor contributes what percentage to her dissatisfaction and annoyance. She may not feel like thinking about her annoyance because that itself is annoying, or distressing to her.

    It makes sense to me that you are will be overly sensitive, because of your anxiety, to her moods (any girlfriend’s moods no matter how inconsequential and unpreventable). She may be… reasonably moody and annoyed and yet this is too much for you because the threat is big, in your mind: the ending of the relationship.

    You will have to practice tolerating, enduring her moods and annoyance IF they are not extreme , very prolonged and if she is not using her moods and annoyance against you (question #1).

    anita

     

     

     

     

    #155998
    Scott
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    1) I feel that she takes advantage of my kindness by playing games. It’s like I’m supposed to get her out of her moods and understand everything she is thinking, but it’s impossible to mind read. She hardly gives me any information about why she may be upset or annoyed. For awhile, I was willing and happy to help her and understand why she was acting the way she was. But over time, after seeing that she continues with this behavior, it’s leading to resentment and my disinterest in wasting my precious energy solving her moods.

    2) I did mean to say push/pull, my apologies. What I mean by that is the nature of our relationship I feel. I seek connection and her love and affection and I think she feels the same way too, but the push/pull nature ties into the cycles between us. I’m always trying to understand her and determine why she’s annoyed or whatever and when I decide to back off it seems she comes running back with an apology. It’s just impossible to understand anything because she’s so brief with her apologies and we can’t ever talk seriously because she thinks her simple little apology is enough. But for me, an apology only goes so far. I think the importance of an apology is sincerity and willingness to change actions. I don’t see much changing with these apologies.

    I can understand what you mean by describing the circumstances she is under. Ultimately, it feels that I’m much more aware of my emotions and I’m so much more conscientious of why I act the way I do, and try to work towards change. I believe she is on another level of consciousness, like a lower frequency, and can’t come to grips with her emotions.

    #156016
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Scott:

    It is unfortunate but very common for women at any age (!) to expect men to read their minds. Men naturally fail at it and women wrongly feel mistreated and neglected.

    If she wants you to help her solve a problem she is having, a mood, she needs to clearly and directly ask you for help and then give you all the information she has. For you to chase her to solve her problems, and for her to be unaccommodating with information in regard to what troubles her, that is, indeed, a silly waste of your time and energy.

    Your mental energy better be invested in something sensible, something that will provide you some return on investment, and not  on a futile, zero return-on-investment, chasing after an annoyed girl so to solve the problems she is not willing to share about.

    So stop it, that will be such a refreshing exercise on your part. You call it “playing games”, well, don’t play that game. Promise yourself, if you will, to no longer chase her for her problems. If she clearly asks you to help her solve a problem she is having, a dissatisfaction, an annoyance, and then gives you all the information she has, only then proceed, if you are willing, to try and help her. Not otherwise.

    If you do so, according to the push/pull behavior you described, she is likely to accommodate you as a result. I agree with you about what an apology should be about.

    I understand your relationship anxiety that precedes her in your life. And yet, I can see that your understanding about people and life exceeds hers. Therefore, you are significantly more qualified to determine what is effective and what is ineffective in a relationship.

    It doesn’t make sense that you will continue to allow her to lead you into what you called “lower frequency” of consciousness/ awareness. Lead her to the higher frequency, lovingly, but do lead the way.

    anita

    #156046
    Scott
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    The information provided above is super helpful and I appreciate the thorough response.

    Yes, I would agree that women can be troubling at times with their moods and desire for men to mind read. I’m going to do what you said though, and that is only do what I CAN do. If provided the information and the need for help, I will do so willingly, but I will no longer be a victim of “playing games” so that she can get what she wants. The trouble is being a “nicer” person, and more of a helper (selflessness), it is easy to want to give all the help you can. I’m just going to have to monitor her responses and think through what I need to say.

    I’m also finding that sometimes the slower I respond, aka the more time I give her to think and add, the better it is for me. It allows for me to no longer be the entertainer and the constant, run down thinker. It also gives me back some power in this relationship.

    When you speak about our differences and my ability to examine and understand at my so called higher frequency, it reminds me of how she does in fact sort of follow my lead. I have noticed she imitates my behavior to a certain degree. I notice that she will pick up on my terminology and actions, so I will just have to be careful with my behavior towards her. Ultimately, girls want someone to lead for them and make the decisions, which is much harder being away, but I will continue to work on staying present and not thinking too much about little things. If she ever wants to be upset or annoyed with me, that’s on her, I shouldn’t feel bad, which in most cases I feel empathetic which leads to the cycle of me wanting to help and only get pushed away.

    So thank you Anita for those responses. Do you have any suggestions for how I can better handle her very “strong” beliefs and opinions. She is very set in stone about what she believes in and what she likes and doesn’t like. Her attitude about things sometimes when we talk can be overpowering and can be upsetting for me. She’s very competitive and likes to have her way with things, and being a nicer person it can be easy to give in for these reasons of hers. What can I do to strengthen my independence and stand up for myself. For the most part, I’m a pretty laidback person, only angered by constant stress, but sometimes I want to snap at her for her criticism or judgements towards me.

     

    #156074
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Scott:

    Once again, I will be better able to focus tomorrow morning. Regarding your question in the last paragraph, I need information on “her criticism or judgments toward (you)” – what criticism and judgments?

    What are her “‘strong’ beliefs and opinions” and her overpowering attitude that bother you? Is she competitive with you?

    I like the first part of your last post. And you are welcome. Back in 9-10 hours or so.

    anita

    #156078
    Scott
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    The criticism and/or judgements are typically what feels like is her desire to gain control or change me. Sometimes it’s like her telling me repeatedly how I need to eat healthier, work out more, work more, or something that involves comparison. I’m doing just fine with my eating and fitness, and I don’t work a ton right now but I’m also busy with a class. She will sometimes criticize me for not being busy or working like she is, and that I’m lazy. I think this relates back to what you said earlier, that it is summer and she doesn’t have a ton to do, so it’s easier to lash out at me when comparing our current circumstances. It’s just that after me telling her in a nice way I don’t appreciate some of the things she says over and over and seeing no change I’m getting irritable with hearing things I’ve heard plenty of times. I know that I’ve been critical in the past towards her when my initial relationship anxiety was worse because I was unaware of what kind of person she was because I struggled to get to know her, similar to how she withdraws during conflict like I’ve talked about. Is this something I just need to ignore like I will sometimes do with her attitudes so that it takes the power away from what she says? Meaning that I don’t react to these “harsher” words I don’t necessarily need to here frequently.

    By beliefs and/or opinions, she is just very for them and when we think something different, she gets almost competitive like I’m trying to attack her. Simple things like the way we do things or the music we listen to. I don’t understand why I can’t like the things I like and prefer. Once again, these are things I try to react with calmness towards her because I’ve felt it is best, but maybe like I said above, I will try to ignore them to take the power away from the situation.

    These things I’ve had to mention aren’t a huge deal, as I can be understanding and handle most situations pretty well. However, over time, these criticisms and judgements can lead to resentment. I think there is just tension between us sometimes, which causes us to want to shape each other because we do see a future ahead of us. I just want to create a calm and understanding atmosphere with someone that is a lot of fun and can be incredibly loving at times, but struggles to think things through in the way that I do. I guess I’m in need of ways to approach someone who is lower in intelligence, not in a bad way, but in thought processes, awareness of oneself and/or actions, and understanding.

    I apologize if I misspelled anything or made something confusing to read as I’m pretty tired myself.

     

    #156140
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Scott:

    Here is one definition of intelligence: “the ability to learn”- it takes the willingness to learn and the ability to learn. I don’t think that intelligence, therefore, is a finite quality. There is always more to learn.

    I am learning about your girlfriend in the last few posts. In the recent one, I am learning that she is in the habit of negatively criticizing you, including saying that you are lazy.

    Next you wrote: “I think this relates back to what you said earlier, that it is summer and she doesn’t have a ton to do, so it’s easier to lash out at me”-

    If you need to not be called lazy, to not be criticized then, is the solution to wait for winter when she has tons of things to do?

    You wrote that she is: “incredibly loving at times”- the other times, she is hurtful to you. Almost every person on the face of the earth is sometimes loving, even the cruelest. Do we tolerate the hurtful behavior, even cruelty, because the person is loving at times?

    Regarding her criticisms of you, you asked: “Is this something I just need to ignore like I will sometimes do with her attitudes so that it takes the power away from what she says?”-

    My answer: you can numb yourself here and there to her hurtful criticisms, but on an ongoing basis, you get hurt. It is not your job, nor is it possible, long term, for you to take the power away from what she says. It is her job not to say those things.

    You wrote yourself: “over time, these criticisms and judgements can lead to resentment”- over time, long term, you get hurt. Resentment, like annoyance, is anger. It is anger that builds over time.

    You wrote: “I’m in need of ways to approach someone who is lower in intelligence”- do not underestimate how much yet there is for you to learn, how much more learning there is. One thing to learn is what I stated here in this very post: it is not your job- nor is it possible, long term- to take the power away from her criticisms of you. It is her job not to criticize you. Not when she is busy, and not when she has too much time on her hands; not when she is happy and not when she is annoyed.

    A loving person is not sometimes loving and at other times harmful. A loving person makes an effort to never harm the one they claim to love.

    Looking forward to your next post.

    anita

     

     

     

    #156160
    Scott
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    I would agree that it is her responsibility to be loving and not so critical. As I am doing my own part I should not have to take care of her myself.  I wonder if she has had bad experiences in the past which lead her to be more attacking towards me and I wonder if I need to address this. I can be very understanding, but it can be frustrating to try to help someone that only makes the situation more difficult. Sometimes I think she is this way because she values the relationship so much, but if she truly loves me and wants a future together, then why would she act in this way.

    Part of me wonders if this is how she got her way growing up in her family. Her parents realize when she acts in this way towards me or when she seems upset. I wonder if she will grow out of this or this is something long-term and that cannot be changed. The scary thing is I want a good marriage in the future and as much as I like this girl it’s really hard to say whether or not she is the one. I would really like for her to change but then again it is not my responsibility.  The waiting part is what makes this hard, because part of me is persistent and optimistic, but I realize there’s only so much time and I have responsibilities myself.

    Is  it possible for people to change or are some people stuck as they are? It’s very hard to judge how much she is willing to change. When we are together and she is loving she apologizes for being mean. Although she apologizes, the behavior rarely seems to change. There is a part of me that believes unless somebody goes through a life experience, a hardship, they do not have reason to change. We have talked before and she claims she has never had anything hard in her life, but I have. I have realized tough times make us more aware of ourselves, our actions, our behavior, our thoughts and how we go about doing things.

    #156170
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Scott:

    You wrote that “unless somebody goes through a life experience, a hardship, they do not have reason to change”- I would amend it to: unless somebody feels ongoing internal conflict, they are not motivated to change. If a person goes through hardship and finds a way to frame it rationally in a way that comforts them, however incongruent with reality, they will not be motivated to change. A common example: people going through breakups blaming the other party, relieving their distress by venting about the other person being guilty, not looking at their own behavior:  no internal conflict, no motivation to change.

    Reads to me like she relieves any possible guilt feelings by short and quick apologies, and so: no internal conflict. You would like to know if she will grow out of it- no, we don’t grow out of our brain connections. We grow out of our skin because it sheds and we grow new skin. But we don’t grow new brains.

    Will she change? Check and see if she is experiencing an internal conflict, if she is struggling with guilt, if she is fighting within herself. If she does, she has a motivation. If she doesn’t, she doesn’t.

    If she had a good enough childhood where she received adequate empathy and attention, where she was not criticized, she would probably not be criticizing you. Hardly anyone has this kind of childhood, seems to me.

    You wrote: “part of me is persistent and optimistic”- a good attribute, most of the time. Not when optimism is incongruent with reality over time. Regarding a wife, not yet, you are way too young to consider a particular person for marriage, I believe. But not too young to think about it, and having a critical wife, and worse: a critical mother to your children, that is no reason for optimism.

    anita

     

     

    #156194
    Scott
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    I think the way you reworded hardship makes more sense and how internal conflict influences change under the right circumstances. I am not sure, but I do believe she is insecure in some way, shape, or form. Although she is a very attractive girl with a good figure, she believes she has flaws and calls herself fat despite being very fit.  It’s hard to know if she is insecure or not, because she is able to deflect most things and pretend she doesn’t care,, but I also think this could be her insecurity defending her ego. I do believe she has a strong ego because she cares about how she looks in pictures and what not. I also believe that she may be insecure and instead of dealing with internal conflict, she finds a way to brush it off or ignore it. The reason I say this is because I notice how she can become annoyed and very angry and never cease to solve the problem.

    I understand that people have different ways of solving their problems, But by simply ignoring and letting something anger you you never actually get past it, because you hold it in.  I’m curious as to whether she just has a lot of insecurity built up inside which makes her act out in this way towards me and other things. You’ll notice that people react to such little things because they have more internal conflict. While she is a great girl and seems very happy, I think there is something deep down that’s bugging her. It could be fear of rejection or not being good enough that drives her, but also drives her crazy at times. I don’t know for sure if any of this is true but for how much thinking I’ve done I realize this is bigger than myself. In a relationship you can only cause so much conflict before it becomes somebody else’s problem. What I mean by that is you have to meet someone halfway.

    I would agree that a relationship or marriage should not be based off of optimism if the conditions are present as such. While I do enjoy this relationship, I will just have to stay present and play this by ear. I will try to minimize my anxiety and remind myself that there are plenty of other options out there that would be more than happy to be with me.

    #156206
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Scott:

    Regarding what makes her tick, her ego, insecurities… what is crucial to a relationship is mutual respect, not harming each other regardless of one’s insecurities, childhood, etc.

    I like your thinking. Stay present and flexible (playing it by ear). Regarding your relationship anxiety (title of thread), being afraid to lose it, interesting to note: losing it may possibly be a good thing. I am not suggesting that you should end it. I am suggesting that you do remain flexible and re-evaluate it periodically.

    Why fear it ending, when it may be for your benefit if it does end sometime in the future, and if a better option presents itself for a way better relationship in the future?

    Of course, I know the nature of anxiety and it doesn’t listen very well to such logic that I just presented, but thinking this kind of logic once in a while can help.

    anita

     

     

    #156262
    Scott
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    It’s easy for us to pick at each other and I don’t know why. It’s like a defense mechanism. If she is critical towards me, it’s hard not to hold a grudge against her, as I mentioned resentment is slowly building up.

    But I would agree. I’ll have fun with what I can but I’m not going to set anything in stone. I’m considering even letting her know how I feel about her actions and negativity towards me at times and mentioning that I have thoughts about ending the relationship. Not as a threat, but a way to show her how much it’s starting to take a toll on me. She sometimes lacks the gratitude and appreciation and I’ll tell you what, it can be painful for how much you do.

    #156280
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Scott:

    You wrote: “If she is critical towards me, it’s hard not to hold a grudge against her”-

    You shouldn’t TRY to not hold a grudge against her. I will explain: when she criticizes you, she is attacking you. When an animal/ person is attacked, it automatically feels either fear that motivates it to run away or anger which motivates it to fight. The grudge that you feel is natural, a result of having been attacked, and its motivation is to fight the attacker. And so you pick back at her.

    You wrote that you don’t know why you pick at each other- you already know because you wrote that it is “like a defense mechanism”- a definition of “defend” is to protect from harm or danger, and so you pick back at her.

    A couple of things: a lot of people don’t see criticism as an attack. People are fast to see something that draws blood as an attack, but criticism, not so much. But it is an attack. How do I know? Because I experienced it and witnessed others, and people respond with fear or anger upon being criticized. The response tells me it is an attack.

    We talked a bit about intelligence. You probably heard the term “emotional intelligence”. I learned the following equation: Wise Mind=Rational Mind + Emotional Mind.

    To access ourselves to the most complete intelligence there is, logic (Rational Mind) is not enough, not when it comes to relationships between people. We have to avail ourselves to the Emotional Mind, that is, to understanding our feelings/ emotions (I use these two words interchangeably). There is a message/ a motivation behind what we feel. Again, you hold a grudge and build resentment for a reason: she is hurting you.

    Once you figure what your grudge/ resentment (degrees and qualities of anger) are telling you, once you understood the intelligence behind them (that she is hurting you by criticizing you), you go back to the Rational Mind and state the problem: she is hurting me by criticizing me. Then you try to solve the problem, using your logic and always availing yourself to emotions.

    Take it from here, if you will.

    anita

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